Time. Linear or circular??

Byrnzie

I dreamed about this issue last night. (Yeah, one of those half awake, half asleep type things).
So is time linear, or circular? Is the world made up of atoms, or waves of interconnectedness?
Is linear time a purely human construct?

rmst09

What was the argument for circular time? I'm leaning towards linear unless of course you're staring at a clock.

justam

Well...

Clocks and planet rotations are both round.

The idea of time being linear does seem to be just a way for people to organize the idea that something happened in the past or will happen in the future before or after a certain number of sun-ups and downs...

So, who knows?

angelica

"Time. Linear or circular??"

I say it's an illusion. We experience time because we think it's there. When we experience the world as is, rather than through a filter of our thoughts...we see things as they are, in the eternal now.

Byrnzie

RMST09 wrote:

What was the argument for circular time? I'm leaning towards linear unless of course you're staring at a clock.

It all comes down to perception - of course. So, I'm thinking of shamanism, American Indian beliefs - for example - along with quantum physics and the fact that independent of our perception/observation, which perceives reality in terms of atoms and seperateness, reality is measured in terms of waves and interconnectedness.

Also, if you try to conceive of a beginning or an end of time you find yourself in the realm of the absurd, and the impossible. Therefore a circular idea of time appears to make more sense.

angelica

Byrnzie wrote:

..reality is measured ..

Key here is the act of "measuring". To measure, we need to use time. Therefore we cannot "measure" beyond time. In our western world, we like to tell ourselves that if we cannot measure something, it doesn't exist. Silly ego.

rmst09

angelica wrote:

Key here is the act of "measuring". To measure, we need to use time. Therefore we cannot "measure" beyond time. In our western world, we like to tell ourselves that if we cannot measure something, it doesn't exist. Silly ego.

No. Then we just say that God did it.

beachdweller

I don't think it's linear, but linear fits our ability to understand better. I wonder if we'll ever evolve enough in our knowledge as a species to figure it out?

If the big bang started our Universe, what was there before? Where did the bangee come from.

the show "The Universe" had a deep theory about the Universe being cyclical, and every 35 Billion years (may be off alittle on this #) it implodes and explodes (re-bangs), regardless, it all goes back to something didn't come from nothing, and this is where my search for God comes in...

This doesn't even start to get into multiple demensions, string theory, etc...

It's an amazing adventure learning about this kind of stuff, knowing what we didn't know and thought we knew 100 years ago, and what we do know and think we know now...wow...where will our knowledge and understanding by in 2050? beyond?

Smellyman2

i wish i kuld tipe smart.


Seriously though. I wish I had a time machine.

beachdweller

Smellyman wrote:

i wish i kuld tipe smart.


Seriously though. I wish I had a time machine.

your body couldn't handle the trip, so it's believed, lol.

but yes, that would be cool, though the whole anything you do in the past can effect the future in ways we can't see kinda sucks..butterfly effect...

would be cool to be at the Off Ramp Cafe on 10.22.1990...

Toolgarden

Time is not a line or a circle. It's a point...in your mind.

Right.

he still stands

Piece of advice: Don't try to answer this question with a head full of acid. It could lead you to places you don't want to be.

Byrnzie

he still stands wrote:

Piece of advice: Don't try to answer this question with a head full of acid. It could lead you to places you don't want to be.

You wouldn't need to ask the question on acid. It just hands the answer to you on a plate. Or is it your brain on a plate? Or an egg?

macgyver06

I think when thinking of time according to sets of days and structured boundaries of the transition from day to night.. it can appear linear


BUT


if you imagine us as no more important than the cycles of weather.. its patterns... natural disasters... the ocean currents... the tide... if we are one in the same.. than time must be circular as mother nature cleans itself off.. and straightens things up every now and again... its a revolving cycle it seems.

if im confusing heres the root of this thought i had (example):

Hurricanes here in Florida come hard every so often.. NOT EVERY YEAR..

but

when its been a long time between when a strong one hits... it can feel devastating to the environment where as the trees and weaker parts of the environment are broken down and washed away... so that the next hurricane even if the same strength... will appear to be weaker... but in actuality its just that the trees left standing are still there because they are the strongest... and i think this can apply to houses that demolish with no outside occurence except the strenght of the hurricane


lol.. what i think this all means is...

time is an illusion.. like ANGELICA said simply..

if you dont think in sets of days.. you might be considered a drifter... but you will be on the outside looking in...

maybe thats why geniuses are crazy to us.

macgyver06

also...


the answers may in fact be fatal... so be careful thinking about this.. if you get to close.. you might not be able to tell anyone

he still stands

Byrnzie wrote:

You wouldn't need to ask the question on acid. It just hands the answer to you on a plate. Or is it your brain on a plate? Or an egg?

Brick, are you saying that there's a party in your pants and that I'm invited?

Zanne

he still stands wrote:

Brick, are you saying that there's a party in your pants and that I'm invited?

I thought that was "I heard there's a party in your mouth and everyone's coming".

he still stands

Zanne wrote:

I thought that was "I heard there's a party in your mouth and everyone's coming".

Mine was from the movie "Anchorman."

Brick Tamland: I would like to extend to you an invitation to the pants party.
Veronica Corningstone: Excuse me?
Brick Tamland: [struggling] The... party. With the... with the pants. Party with pants?
Veronica Corningstone: Brick, are you saying that there's a party in your pants and that I'm invited?

angelica

macgyver06 wrote:

also...


the answers may in fact be fatal... so be careful thinking about this.. if you get to close.. you might not be able to tell anyone

That's another illusion!!!

The void of uncertainty, it keeps us back in the world of the veils, held securely by our fear. The only thing to fear is fear itself! Literally! When we face our deepest fears, we realize they are all illusions. All that exists is unbroken and perfect wholeness, Is-ness, BEing-ness! To move beyond the void and past fear is to move into the field of all possibilities!

macgyver06

angelica wrote:

That's another illusion!!!

The void of uncertainty, it keeps us back in the world of the veils, held securely by our fear. The only thing to fear is fear itself! Literally! When we face our deepest fears, we realize they are all illusions. All that exists is unbroken and perfect wholeness, Is-ness, BEing-ness! To move beyond the void and past fear is to move into the field of all possibilities!

i see what you are saying and you are right.

the wholeness... is-ness, beingness i like that

but its not fear i dont think... im trying to say.. if you are going to try and live in this society here in america... it could become very difficult if you get to deep... not that you shouldnt.... just be aware...

what im saying is probably bullshit... just look for someone on the same level... and hopefully they kept themselves in good condition so you can tolerate their presense

SilverSeed

I think of time as infinite, it is not correlated with the physical. Let's go to the big bang. Did time exist before that? I would say so. If not, then what is time really? Just because we measure it does not give it physical attributes, or correlate it with any physical aspects of the universe. It seems the linear/circular argument is based in the appearance/disappearance of matter. Infinity is neither circular nor linear, but all encompassing.