anyhoo, I guess it could be argued the current health care system is doing the same things you list above, like forcing their (the health care industry) standards on others...forcing doctors and patients to make choices based on saving a buck for the shareholder versus providing the best care possible...
To some extent, this is very true. But if this is wrong, then going further in this direction is certainly not right. Perhaps its time to look at where force exists in these markets already and relinquish it, rather than tighten it.
you ever hear of genetics? not all obese people are gluttons.
What percentage of obese people are the genetic variety and what percentage are the "I like food and I am too lazy to exercise" variety. Even if the genetic group was like 30% (which I think is high it is probably more like 5%) and even if you threw in all the people who have medical probablems that make them obese (not the other way around) and you jack it up to 40% what about the other 60% who are not taking responsibilty for their well being?
I live in Canada and I am a huge fan of our universal health care system, but at the same time I don't think a lot of people realize how much control they have over their own health, or if the do realize can't be bothered to care. And those people contribute to the fact that I have to wait 4 hours in an emergency room.
What percentage of obese people are the genetic variety and what percentage are the "I like food and I am too lazy to exercise" variety. Even if the genetic group was like 30% (which I think is high it is probably more like 5%) and even if you threw in all the people who have medical probablems that make them obese (not the other way around) and you jack it up to 40% what about the other 60% who are not taking responsibilty for their well being?
I live in Canada and I am a huge fan of our universal health care system, but at the same time I don't think a lot of people realize how much control they have over their own health, or if the do realize can't be bothered to care. And those people contribute to the fact that I have to wait 4 hours in an emergency room.
Do not extoll the virtues of your system whilst complaining about problems it helps create. UHC lowers the cost of living dangerously, prohibits private medical practice wherein doctors may offer premium services, hampers the overall supply of medical service, and makes everyone's health someone else's responsibility, and you have the gall to then say you love it while at the same time complaining about waiting for 4 hours in an emergency room??? You have to be kidding.
What percentage of obese people are the genetic variety and what percentage are the "I like food and I am too lazy to exercise" variety.
Terms like "lazy" show personal subjective value judgment, and point to lack of objective awareness and actual understanding.
I live in Canada and I am a huge fan of our universal health care system, but at the same time I don't think a lot of people realize how much control they have over their own health, or if the do realize can't be bothered to care. And those people contribute to the fact that I have to wait 4 hours in an emergency room.
I also live in Canada. I 100% agree, people do not realize how much control they have over their own health. This issue is vast and sweeping. How do each one of us contribute to this problem?
The key to spreading both the information and the empowerment needed to support individuals in the direction of self-realization, which is where awareness and accountability stems from, is enacted through information, support and empowerment.
Criticisms and judgements that perpetuate shame and blame perpetuate the cycles that keep lack of accountability in place. Those who criticize and judge therefore are a part of the problem; while those who support, inform, etc. are part of the solution. We choose in each moment, and by our choices we reveal our positioning on the matter.
We pay one way or another when we opt to be part of the problem, just as we each subjectively reap the benefits when we choose to become part of the solution.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Do not extoll the virtues of your system whilst complaining about problems it helps create. UHC lowers the cost of living dangerously, prohibits private medical practice wherein doctors may offer premium services, hampers the overall supply of medical service, and makes everyone's health someone else's responsibility, and you have the gall to then say you love it while at the same time complaining about waiting for 4 hours in an emergency room??? You have to be kidding.
Even though it has its faults, I would much rather have to wait 4 hours in an emergency room, than see a doctor and be handed a bill for his time on my way out. If that was the case I would never see a doctor unless I was on my death bed, which would be more expensive for everyone.
How is lowering the cost of living a bad thing (the standard of living in Canada is higher than in the US). With everyone having access to doctors, people are healthier (our life expectancy is higher than that of the US). Operational costs for doctors are lower because malpractice suits are typically less frequent since you are less likely to sue if you think you received bad medical care if you didn't have to pay for it. Plus things like car insurance rates are lower because the car insurance companies don't have to worry about paying for someones medical care in the event of an accident.
Plus from what I understand the US system has many of the same problems that Canada does (including long waits at emergency rooms and doctor shortages) so how can our system be any worse?
Even though it has its faults, I would much rather have to wait 4 hours in an emergency room, than see a doctor and be handed a bill for his time on my way out.
What about the guy who would happily pay a bill rather than wait 4 hours. Or do his "I"s not count?
How is lowering the cost of living a bad thing (the standard of living in Canada is higher than in the US).
Lowering the cost of living is a great thing! Lowering some people's cost of living at the expense of others, however, is not.
With everyone having access to doctors, people are healthier (our life expectancy is higher than that of the US). Operational costs for doctors are lower because malpractice suits are typically less frequent since you are less likely to sue when you didn't get a bill for bad medical care. Plus things like car insurance rates are lower because the car insurance companies don't have to worry about paying for someones medical care in the event of an accident.
All good things. Too bad they don't justify your means.
Plus from what I understand the US system has many of the same problems that Canada does (including long waits at emergency rooms and doctor shortages) so how can our system be any worse?
Just because we'll all end up dead somehow doesn't make murder justifiable.
The US system is awful! But it doesn't make your system correct.
What about the guy who would happily pay a bill rather than wait 4 hours. Or do his "I"s not count?
If that is the way you feel about publicly funded medicine, do you feel the same way about other services that the government offers. Should public education be abolished, I mean other people who couldn't afford to pay for it are getting a free high school education at your expense. What about the police force? Rich people with can afford private security guards, why should they have to pay for poor people's cops and then wait for them to show up if he happens to call 911? How about road maintenance, if I can afford to drive a Range Rover, why should I pay to fix the pot holes which will have much less affect on my car then the will on on some guy driving a crappy Kia? Hell what about the military, the super rich can hire private military contractors to defend them, why should they have to pay for the army?
I see a difference between assessing dynamics in order to reach understanding and to foster growth, and with judging individuals in ways that perpetuate the problem.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
If that is the way you feel about publicly funded medicine, do you feel the same way about other services that the government offers. Should public education be abolished, I mean other people who couldn't afford to pay for it are getting a free high school education at your expense. What about the police force? Rich people with can afford private security guards, why should they have to pay for poor people's cops and then wait for them to show up if he happens to call 911? How about road maintenance, if I can afford to drive a Range Rover, why should I pay to fix the pot holes which will have much less affect on my car then the will on on some guy driving a crappy Kia? Hell what about the military, the super rich can hire private military contractors to defend them, why should they have to pay for the army?
"Most definitely" to all your questions, "not particularly" to all your extensions.
"Most definitely" to all your questions, "not particularly" to all your extensions.
So are you saying the governemt shouldn't provide people with anything? Because I think there are countries that pretty much have that and they aren't very nice places to live.
So are you saying the governemt shouldn't provide people with anything? Because I think there are countries that pretty much have that and they aren't very nice places to live.
I think the people can do what the gov't has been doing for them in almost every level of gov't. There are a few examples of anarchist countries (spain pre-franco for one) that have done really well. Put gov't in the hands of the people, literally and cut out all the red tape that allows for so much corruption. And that process should include the economic sector as well (socialist).
Micheal Moore used to be way over weight but like a person who cares about his world he has done something about it. But not like a few people on this thread to actually think to see if what they are spewing is actaully a true representation of realty
you ever hear of genetics? not all obese people are gluttons. not all people with cardiac issues are obese, not all diabetics are obese. obesity can lead to a multitude of health problems, but there are more causes of obesity than poor diet and lack of exercise. his health issues, potential or otherwise should have no bearing on your opinion of him.
everyone always assumes that obesity is the cause of diseases, no one ever thinks that if someone is obese it's the result of a disease or other health issue.
Michael Moore's next documentary was going to be on fast food restaurants, mainly McDonalds, unfortunately for him someone beat him to the punch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390521/ . Now Michael is hooked on MickyD's
For the record I like Michael Moore
Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North."
Micheal Moore used to be way over weight but like a person who cares about his world he has done something about it. But not like a few people on this thread to actually think to see if what they are spewing is actaully a true representation of realty
Hahaha that is hilarious....Please look at the dates of those links (Both early June 2007 juuuuust before the release of the movie.....conveniently)
Without a doubt to me this LIAR went on his "health kick" to promote the movie.....I wonder if Fatty Moore is still dieting....I doubt it.
And as far as other movies like Super Size Me......if you need a movie to tell you too much McDonald's is no good for you well then you're just fucking stupid!
And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky...A human being that was giveeeeeeeeeeeeen to flllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
And as far as other movies like Super Size Me......if you need a movie to tell you too much McDonald's is no good for you well then you're just fucking stupid!
That movie was retarded. Not only was that guy eating at mcdonalds every day he was eating like 5,000 calories worth of food every day and not exercising. You could eat 5,000 calories worth of food you got from a health food store and it would still be bad for you if you didn't exercise.
That movie was retarded. Not only was that guy eating at mcdonalds every day he was eating like 5,000 calories worth of food every day and not exercising. You could eat 5,000 calories worth of food you got from a health food store and it would still be bad for you if you didn't exercise.
No kidding.....but unfortunately in today's society common sense often loses to blatant stupidity.
And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky...A human being that was giveeeeeeeeeeeeen to flllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I hate michael moore because he gives a bad name to good causes.
Exactly, I mean does anyone think that if he follows through with his idea of taking Castro as his guest to the Oscars that the healthcare cause will be helped?
I think Moore's hearts in the right place, he's dedicated to exposing corruption and trying to right what he views as wrong. I view him to be sincere, hard working and diligent.
Where his problem has always been is method. He takes on an 'eye for eye' philosophy when it comes to getting his message out and uses the tactics he despises in others. It would serve him well to learn to take the high road and honor his integrity.
That's my assessment but I guess it's much more fun to make fat jokes.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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I read most of these threads (when interesting enough....and most are) to get the general idea of what they are about. Do I love Michael Moore.....well when I was growing up in the 70's he had a great film based on the auto industry in Michigan and the screwiong over of their employees. Michael Moore was a hero. I originate from Cleveland, Ohio (Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Baby!) I also am not quite sure what to think of MM. However - I really admire his work with "Sicko." Do I trust every word he speaketh - Hell NO! But there is some substance to his movies.
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Just saw Sicko. Very interesting documentary. I then read through all the posts on the pit to do with the film, and found nothing but criticism of Michael Moore for being overweight, and for being an untrustworthy propagandist e.t.c. Just a load of pathetic, empty gibberish.
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To some extent, this is very true. But if this is wrong, then going further in this direction is certainly not right. Perhaps its time to look at where force exists in these markets already and relinquish it, rather than tighten it.
What percentage of obese people are the genetic variety and what percentage are the "I like food and I am too lazy to exercise" variety. Even if the genetic group was like 30% (which I think is high it is probably more like 5%) and even if you threw in all the people who have medical probablems that make them obese (not the other way around) and you jack it up to 40% what about the other 60% who are not taking responsibilty for their well being?
I live in Canada and I am a huge fan of our universal health care system, but at the same time I don't think a lot of people realize how much control they have over their own health, or if the do realize can't be bothered to care. And those people contribute to the fact that I have to wait 4 hours in an emergency room.
Do not extoll the virtues of your system whilst complaining about problems it helps create. UHC lowers the cost of living dangerously, prohibits private medical practice wherein doctors may offer premium services, hampers the overall supply of medical service, and makes everyone's health someone else's responsibility, and you have the gall to then say you love it while at the same time complaining about waiting for 4 hours in an emergency room??? You have to be kidding.
I also live in Canada. I 100% agree, people do not realize how much control they have over their own health. This issue is vast and sweeping. How do each one of us contribute to this problem?
The key to spreading both the information and the empowerment needed to support individuals in the direction of self-realization, which is where awareness and accountability stems from, is enacted through information, support and empowerment.
Criticisms and judgements that perpetuate shame and blame perpetuate the cycles that keep lack of accountability in place. Those who criticize and judge therefore are a part of the problem; while those who support, inform, etc. are part of the solution. We choose in each moment, and by our choices we reveal our positioning on the matter.
We pay one way or another when we opt to be part of the problem, just as we each subjectively reap the benefits when we choose to become part of the solution.
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Wouldn't that be both a criticism and a judgment?
Even though it has its faults, I would much rather have to wait 4 hours in an emergency room, than see a doctor and be handed a bill for his time on my way out. If that was the case I would never see a doctor unless I was on my death bed, which would be more expensive for everyone.
How is lowering the cost of living a bad thing (the standard of living in Canada is higher than in the US). With everyone having access to doctors, people are healthier (our life expectancy is higher than that of the US). Operational costs for doctors are lower because malpractice suits are typically less frequent since you are less likely to sue if you think you received bad medical care if you didn't have to pay for it. Plus things like car insurance rates are lower because the car insurance companies don't have to worry about paying for someones medical care in the event of an accident.
Plus from what I understand the US system has many of the same problems that Canada does (including long waits at emergency rooms and doctor shortages) so how can our system be any worse?
What about the guy who would happily pay a bill rather than wait 4 hours. Or do his "I"s not count?
Lowering the cost of living is a great thing! Lowering some people's cost of living at the expense of others, however, is not.
All good things. Too bad they don't justify your means.
Just because we'll all end up dead somehow doesn't make murder justifiable.
The US system is awful! But it doesn't make your system correct.
If that is the way you feel about publicly funded medicine, do you feel the same way about other services that the government offers. Should public education be abolished, I mean other people who couldn't afford to pay for it are getting a free high school education at your expense. What about the police force? Rich people with can afford private security guards, why should they have to pay for poor people's cops and then wait for them to show up if he happens to call 911? How about road maintenance, if I can afford to drive a Range Rover, why should I pay to fix the pot holes which will have much less affect on my car then the will on on some guy driving a crappy Kia? Hell what about the military, the super rich can hire private military contractors to defend them, why should they have to pay for the army?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
"Most definitely" to all your questions, "not particularly" to all your extensions.
So are you saying the governemt shouldn't provide people with anything? Because I think there are countries that pretty much have that and they aren't very nice places to live.
Governments should provide whatever the people want! My beef isn't with governments.
Absolutely.
http://www.diet-blog.com/archives/2007/06/27/michael_moore_weight_loss_not_so_sicko.php
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/features_julieshealthclub/2007/06/michael-moores-.html
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everyone always assumes that obesity is the cause of diseases, no one ever thinks that if someone is obese it's the result of a disease or other health issue.
It's the only race I'd bet on Moore to win ...
for the least they could possibly do
For the record I like Michael Moore
Hahaha that is hilarious....Please look at the dates of those links (Both early June 2007 juuuuust before the release of the movie.....conveniently)
Without a doubt to me this LIAR went on his "health kick" to promote the movie.....I wonder if Fatty Moore is still dieting....I doubt it.
And as far as other movies like Super Size Me......if you need a movie to tell you too much McDonald's is no good for you well then you're just fucking stupid!
That movie was retarded. Not only was that guy eating at mcdonalds every day he was eating like 5,000 calories worth of food every day and not exercising. You could eat 5,000 calories worth of food you got from a health food store and it would still be bad for you if you didn't exercise.
No kidding.....but unfortunately in today's society common sense often loses to blatant stupidity.
another aspect of today's society: some are overly convinced of one's own superiority and importance....
i bet that piece of human garbage swallows too!!!!!!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Exactly, I mean does anyone think that if he follows through with his idea of taking Castro as his guest to the Oscars that the healthcare cause will be helped?
He's just a shameless publicity whore.
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Where his problem has always been is method. He takes on an 'eye for eye' philosophy when it comes to getting his message out and uses the tactics he despises in others. It would serve him well to learn to take the high road and honor his integrity.
That's my assessment but I guess it's much more fun to make fat jokes.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yep, unlike every single American politician roaming the country right now in search of votes.
And unlike every neo-con radio, or t.v, talk show host.
Just the fact that he's in the media, and ruffles the feathers of a few republican greedheads, makes him a shameless publicity whore, right?
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