San Fran to ban plastic grocery bags

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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    gue_barium wrote:
    I think we should ban paper bags, too.
    Gimme a break, I gotta put the dog shit somewhere.
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  • hippiemom wrote:
    Gimme a break, I gotta put the dog shit somewhere.


    I thought that's what MT was for....hoohaa... :D
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  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,378
    if you bring your own bags to trader joe's, you are entered into a drawing to win free food. another local grocery store gives you a "bag allowance" if you bring your own bags they reduce your bill by .06 for every $20 you spend.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Where will these people put their cat box scoupings? I'd have to buy them on the black market if I lived there.

    I always hate when I'm out of those store plastic bags and have to put the litter into a larger plastic bag...
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Cosmo wrote:
    I can't speak for anyone else... but, I when I'm doing the beach clean-up in the Spring and Summer, the things I pick up from the sand... cigarette butts, plastic straws and cup lids... and empty plastic bags from stores.
    I rarely... if EVER... have picked up a store bought, pre-packaged, over packaged Hefty bag from the sand. I guess they don't usually find their way to our oceans via the storm drains and flood control systems.

    You'll be picking up a lot more of those store bought bags, if the ban the store free ones...
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    wow...cincy and know1 are cat-lovers....

    who'd a thunk...;)
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    inmytree wrote:
    wow...cincy and know1 are cat-lovers....

    who'd a thunk...;)


    Yep. I didn't want to have a cat 3 years ago, but I couldn't abandon that tiny, scared kitten that was meowing outside. I'm really not home enough for it to be overly fair to her, but I'm sure it's better than the alternative and she seems happy. I do enjoy her company, though. She's a good listener...
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    know1 wrote:
    You'll be picking up a lot more of those store bought bags, if the ban the store free ones...
    Exactly. You can't ban a littering problem by banning a product with an easily replaced product. It would be like banning regular cigarettes to deal with the littering of cigarette butts. It will only result in a more light and menthol cigareetes being used. The ittering problem be dealt with when you deal with littering as the problem.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    inmytree wrote:
    wow...cincy and know1 are cat-lovers....

    who'd a thunk...;)

    Is that an implication that conservatives don't like cats.

    I am a liberal and I proudly proclaim that I hate cats and feel that they are evidence that evil exists.

    :)
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    gluten919 wrote:
    if you bring your own bags to trader joe's, you are entered into a drawing to win free food. another local grocery store gives you a "bag allowance" if you bring your own bags they reduce your bill by .06 for every $20 you spend.
    I have a few cloth bags that I take to Trader Joe's, and one insulated bag for frozen stuff. I only get as many paper bags as I need for garbage, and for paper recycling. No free food yet, but I'll keep trying.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    surferdude wrote:
    Exactly. You can't ban a littering problem by banning a product with an easily replaced product. It would be like banning regular cigarettes to deal with the littering of cigarette butts. It will only result in a more light and menthol cigareetes being used. The ittering problem be dealt with when you deal with littering as the problem.

    ban cigarettes...?!?! that's a great idea...idiot smokers think the world is their ashtray, anyway...
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    inmytree wrote:
    ban cigarettes...?!?! that's a great idea...idiot smokers think the world is their ashtray, anyway...
    I think if we banned stores we'd really help out the environment. Imagine how much better the environment would be if we couldn't buy anything. We could just work and give all our money to the government and they could give us only what was necessary to survive. That would be a big help for the environment. The bigger the government, the better off we are.

    I find it very insulting that the government would ever allow anyone to purchase an item that I wouldn't. The environmental damage people do by not being just like me is astonishing. We should all live like Al Gore, the enviro crusader.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    surferdude wrote:
    I think if we banned stores we'd really help out the environment. Imagine how much better the environment would be if we couldn't buy anything. We could just work and give all our money to the government and they could give us only what was necessary to survive. That would be a big help for the environment. The bigger the government, the better off we are.

    keep 'em coming...this is another great idea....
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Is that an implication that conservatives don't like cats.

    I am a liberal and I proudly proclaim that I hate cats and feel that they are evidence that evil exists.

    :)


    I hate you.

    Cats are evidence that evil exists...because cat haters are pure evil. ;)
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    hippiemom wrote:
    I have a few cloth bags that I take to Trader Joe's, and one insulated bag for frozen stuff. I only get as many paper bags as I need for garbage, and for paper recycling. No free food yet, but I'll keep trying.


    Using a paper bag to collect paper for recycling is pretty ironic.
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Is that an implication that conservatives don't like cats.

    I am a liberal and I proudly proclaim that I hate cats and feel that they are evidence that evil exists.

    :)
    How could anyone hate kitties?!

    One of the biggest disappointments in my life is that me and my entire family are allergic to cats, so I haven't been able to have one since I was 16 :(
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Using a paper bag to collect paper for recycling is pretty ironic.
    How so? They recycle the bag too :)
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    hippiemom wrote:
    How so? They recycle the bag too :)


    But paper is not 100% recyclable...so it's waste. ;)
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    hippiemom wrote:
    Gimme a break, I gotta put the dog shit somewhere.

    I've never seen anyone check their dog shit at the supermarket.

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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    gue_barium wrote:
    I've never seen anyone check their dog shit at the supermarket.
    Well, if they don't give me a bag, I'm just going to have to buy bags. Either way, a bag full of dog shit winds up in the trash, so what's the difference?
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    hippiemom wrote:
    Well, if they don't give me a bag, I'm just going to have to buy bags. Either way, a bag full of dog shit winds up in the trash, so what's the difference?

    Everyone should own a reusable bag. I use my daypack all the time.

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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    gue_barium wrote:
    Everyone should own a reusable bag. I use my daypack all the time.
    You put shit in your daypack?! :eek:
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    hippiemom wrote:
    You put shit in your daypack?! :eek:

    This isn't about your home cleaning issues. It's about eliminating (ha ha)unneccessary environmentally harmful conveniences aka paper and plastic bags at the grocery store.

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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    gue_barium wrote:
    This isn't about your home cleaning issues. It's about eliminating (ha ha)unneccessary environmentally harmful conveniences aka paper and plastic bags at the grocery store.
    But we all throw things away, and sometimes we need something to throw them away in. I already said that I have reusable bags that I take with me to the store, but I also get as many of the disposable bags as I'll need for garbage and recycling.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    hippiemom wrote:
    But we all throw things away, and sometimes we need something to throw them away in. I already said that I have reusable bags that I take with me to the store, but I also get as many of the disposable bags as I'll need for garbage and recycling.

    Taking them out of the supermarket reduces the waste and the litter.

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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I personally like the idea of, perhaps not banning the plastic grocery bags everywhere, but to charge for them. Paper can be free, cloth and canvas bags you earn a deposit for everytime you use them (here, the Hannaford stores sell cloth bags and you get a nickel back every time you use them), and plastic you'd have to pay extra to get. That would make the grocery store baggers think twice about putting only 2 items in each bag.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Seriously, this is once again government finding the stupidest thing they can and making a law to make people think that they know what they are doing and that they 'care'.

    Let's take a vote....how many people re-use those plastic bags?

    Now, limiting the packaging of materials (including food) would have a far greater effect. How many of you re-use the box from your cereal?

    This is not even a band-aid.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Let's take a vote....how many people re-use those plastic bags?
    Let's take another vote...how many people throw out multiple bags that fill up our landfills? Ultimately, whether those bags are reused or not, they all end up in the same place.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    Seriously, this is once again government finding the stupidest thing they can and making a law to make people think that they know what they are doing and that they 'care'.

    Let's take a vote....how many people re-use those plastic bags?

    Now, limiting the packaging of materials (including food) would have a far greater effect. How many of you re-use the box from your cereal?

    This is not even a band-aid.

    i'd say this is once again somebody whining about gov't for the sake of it ...

    it's similar to the incandescent light bulb ... there is no reason why we should be using them moving forward ... the majority of these plastic bags go from store to landfill - the waste is ridiculous ... but most people are ignorant and don't care - walk your average city streets and there's garbage everywhere cuz people can't be bothered to find a receptacle and that's with a law against littering in place ...
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