Rumsfeld faces war crimes accusations

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jeffbr wrote:
    Perhaps you're reading words which don't exist. Please show me where I mentioned anything about Rumsfeld's innocence. I am simply arguing against a notion of "universal jurisdiction". Nice try, though.

    jeffbr wrote:
    This is a dog and pony show -- a politicized trial for show, and will not produce any binding, tangable results.


    Seems pretty clear to me.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Puck78 wrote:
    ok, this confirms that you don't know what's international law

    You haven't understood that at a certin level it doesn't matter if the US recognise the universal jurisdiction or not. Rumsfeld can be declared guilty also without the estradiction. And he wouldn't be allowed to go to a country that recognise the sentence to him, without being arrested and imprisoned.

    are you a lawyer? im well aware of how jurisdiction works. the fact remains, rumsfeld will not be held accountable. at worst, he'll have a few potential vacation destinations crossed off his list. but he is not going to go to jail and he will not suffer any ill effects from this.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Seems pretty clear to me.

    Perhaps you read what you want to read. I can't help you there. I never said anything either way about Rumsfeld's guilt or innocence. I was talking about the nature of the trial itself.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    The U.S is the only country in the world to be officially charged with state terrorism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_vs._United_States

    The fact that the U.S chose to not recognise the authority of the World court doesn't change that fact. And the fact that most people in the West are unaware of this fact due to the existence of a media system which is completely subservient to power also doesn't change this fact. Rumsfeld and Bush could both be charged with crimes against humanity, although it's highly likely that they would refuse to recognise the authority of any international court of Law, in the same way, for example, that the U.S and Israel are the only two countries in the world that have failed to officially recognise the Geneva convention. It doesn't mean that they won't go down in history as criminals, like Nixon, and Pinochet have gone down in history as criminals.
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Maybe Rummy will just move to the western whitehouse here in Texas. He could lay low and just clear brush and ride horsies in his golden years. He would be doing all of this, of course, in his underwear in case he is arrested so he could plead insanity like that mob boss.
  • Staceb10
    Staceb10 Posts: 675
    soulsinging wrote:
    the US is a sovereign country. they have no jurisdiction here and nobody would ever give them extradition powers over rumsfeld. not even ralph nader. as long as he doesn't go to germany, he's safe.


    That was exactly my point. Thanks!
  • Puck78
    Puck78 Posts: 737
    Staceb10 wrote:
    That was exactly my point. Thanks!
    sadly for you, it's wrong

    To Abuskedti: international law is much larger than the geneva convention. the geneva convention is part of it.
    www.amnesty.org
    www.amnesty.org.uk
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

    *achoo*
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    maybe rummy and i will cross paths and i'll bash his fucking head in myself. no remorse. i'd be happy to do it.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    farfromglorified wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

    *achoo*

    that's all fair and good...the problem is that the u.s. went and disturbed that which was not under their sovereign control...thus falling into the realm of international discretion...
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    aBoxOfFear wrote:
    maybe rummy and i will cross paths and i'll bash his fucking head in myself. no remorse. i'd be happy to do it.


    he'd fuck you up
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    jlew24asu wrote:
    he'd fuck you up


    Why is that?


    (man, I'm glad I reread it. Orginally I thought you said "He'd fuck you")
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    jlew24asu wrote:
    he'd fuck you up

    are you his bitch, or something??
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    Why is that?


    (man, I'm glad I reread it. Orginally I thought you said "He'd fuck you")

    well, rumsfeld knows judo...
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    well, rumsfeld knows judo...

    he's a 74 year old coward. besides, i would rather he died a slow painful death, something along the lines of rectal cancer.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    aBoxOfFear wrote:
    maybe rummy and i will cross paths and i'll bash his fucking head in myself. no remorse. i'd be happy to do it.

    That would be sweet! Hopefully you wouldn't have internet privileges in prison, and we wouldn't have to read these inane posts anymore.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    aBoxOfFear wrote:
    he's a 74 year old coward. besides, i would rather he died a slow painful death, something along the lines of rectal cancer.

    he's a 74 year old JUDO MACHINE...
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    that's all fair and good...the problem is that the u.s. went and disturbed that which was not under their sovereign control...

    Not really, no. The US disturbed something that had nothing to do with sovereign control.
    thus falling into the realm of international discretion...

    There's no such thing as "international discretion". There is only the organizations of realpolitik that you've attached very fancy names and shiny buildings to.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    jeffbr wrote:
    That would be sweet! Hopefully you wouldn't have internet privileges in prison, and we wouldn't have to read these inane posts anymore.

    i admit that was a little over the top. i despise the man. sorry for the inappropriate comment.

    but i'm sure if eddie said it, it would be funny. you know, like how he said he'd kill bush in '92. ;)
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    he's a 74 year old JUDO MACHINE...

    oh, i'm sure. :rolleyes: your baby-sitter could kick his ass.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self

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