that's all fair and good...the problem is that the u.s. went and disturbed that which was not under their sovereign control...
Not really, no. The US disturbed something that had nothing to do with sovereign control.
thus falling into the realm of international discretion...
There's no such thing as "international discretion". There is only the organizations of realpolitik that you've attached very fancy names and shiny buildings to.
Not really, no. The US disturbed something that had nothing to do with sovereign control.
There's no such thing as "international discretion". There is only the organizations of realpolitik that you've attached very fancy names and shiny buildings to.
okay, let's see...sovereignty deals with your ability to decide for yourself...and do mitigate those things which are pressuring your ability to do that...iraq was not doing such a thing...and, the u.s., under false pretenses, went over and killed people. we didn't and don't have any authority in iraq. and, then, add to that, the actions sanctioned by the leader of the u.s. military, and you have someone that has to be accountable. like someone already said, it doesn't mean a fucking thing except decreasing travel destinations because of the recognition of jurisdiction. but, it creates, in the mind of people watching, that someone was guilty of something. in this whole situation, you know, as well as i do, that there are a lot of people guilty of a lot of things (and i'm not even talking about the stuff that soldiers have done in iraq which are beyond the scope of conduct...you know, soldier populations fall into the statistics of deviance just like any other population).
oh, i'm sure. :rolleyes: your baby-sitter could kick his ass.
yeah, right after he had his way with her with his giant, christian dick. he is, as you have mentioned, an older gentleman, so he would have some recovery time after that, thus allowing her the opportunity to blindside him. but, after he quickly recovered from that seeming knockout blow...he would JUDO KILL her!
okay, let's see...sovereignty deals with your ability to decide for yourself...and do mitigate those things which are pressuring your ability to do that...iraq was not doing such a thing...
Let me see if I'm understanding this:
It is your claim that the existing Iraqi regime represented the individual sovereignty of the Iraqi people?
A yes or no is what I'm looking for here.
and, the u.s., under false pretenses, went over and killed people.
Yes it did.
we didn't and don't have any authority in iraq.
By your logic, everyone had authority in Iraq.
and, then, add to that, the actions sanctioned by the leader of the u.s. military, and you have someone that has to be accountable. like someone already said, it doesn't mean a fucking thing except decreasing travel destinations because of the recognition of jurisdiction. but, it creates, in the mind of people watching, that someone was guilty of something.
Hehe....let me look at this again:
"it creates, in the mind of people watching, that someone was guilty of something."
Now that's a hell of a principle to run a justice system on.
if rumsfeld's situation was tried in a court in germany, or somewhere else, and he was found guilty...he was found guilty. what is this principle that you're talking about? when you're found guilty of something, you're guilty. that's not a principle. it's a fact, regardless of your innocence in the situation.
i said that the u.s. had no authority in iraq. i didn't go as far as saying who had authority there or who has authority now. i, also, didn't mention sovereignty, in any way, in relation to iraq and/or its people. i did, though, mention what a sovereign u.s. means.
Umm..okay. We'll see if ole Rummy boy ever sees the inside of a jail cell based on a "conviction" from a court outside the US. Good luck with that though.
Umm..okay. We'll see if ole Rummy boy ever sees the inside of a jail cell based on a "conviction" from a court outside the US. Good luck with that though.
why do you consider a conviction handed down from a court outside of the u.s. a "conviction" instead of a straight up CONVICTION? by your logic, and your disrespect for courts outside of the u.s., the hussein verdict is nothing more than a "verdict".
Umm..okay. We'll see if ole Rummy boy ever sees the inside of a jail cell based on a "conviction" from a court outside the US. Good luck with that though.
of course he won't. you know why?? because there is no justice in this world. people like him, with money and power, can get away with anything. he'll die in his fucking rocking chair on the front porch of his ranch, peacefully. and he won't go to hell, because that only exists here on earth. and there are plenty of people who are in a living hell right now because of that old cunt.
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The same principle that keeps me from declaring you guilty of annoying me, and shooting you execution style as rightful punishment
Law requires a standard and means of judgement to which the individual willingly submits. That means a system of judgement extends from individual sovereignty, rather than replaces it.
The same principle that keeps me from declaring you guilty of annoying me, and shooting you execution style as rightful punishment
Law requires a standard and means of judgement to which the individual willingly submits. That means a system of judgement extends from individual sovereignty, rather than replaces it.
why am i annoying you?
so, i have to willingly submit to the judicial process in order for it to be acceptable? that's absurd. yes, a system of judgment does extend from individual sovereignty and does not replace it. no one has to submit to judgment...evidence is heard...the positions are weighed and judgment is passed down...punishment to be administered...the recognition of the judgment makes it so...
why do you consider a conviction handed down from a court outside of the u.s. a "conviction" instead of a straight up CONVICTION? by your logic, and your disrespect for courts outside of the u.s., the hussein verdict is nothing more than a "verdict".
It's still a conviction. Just one that doesn't hold any weight because all its going to do is keep Rumsfeld from being able to travel to a few places. And wasn't Hussein tried by and in Iraq? Not by oh say.. France? If France had convicted Hussein do you think it would have been of any consequence to him? Nope. Just like a conviction in Germany will be of no real consequence to Rumsfeld.
Of course. Again, would it be just if I gathered up some friends and "tried" you for annoying me and sentenced you to death?
what is a jury, if not a group of friends deciding the fate of the defendant? i mean, you could bring civil suit against me for something that i did or caused to happen or allowed to happen...so...not sure how far off base it would be to say that you could do just what you are saying.
It's still a conviction. Just one that doesn't hold any weight because all its going to do is keep Rumsfeld from being able to travel to a few places. And wasn't Hussein tried by and in Iraq? Not by oh say.. France? If France had convicted Hussein do you think it would have been of any consequence to him? Nope. Just like a conviction in Germany will be of no real consequence to Rumsfeld.
if it doesn't hold any weight then why would it matter if rumsfeld were found to be in germany? how is a german court different from a u.s. court in deciding the fate of a man who has put into motion so much destruction and death?
i asked you the question about hussein based on your characterization of "conviction". so, under your formulation, hussein just needs to get out of iraq and never vacation there.
if it doesn't hold any weight then why would it matter if rumsfeld were found to be in germany? how is a german court different from a u.s. court in deciding the fate of a man who has put into motion so much destruction and death?
i asked you the question about hussein based on your characterization of "conviction". so, under your formulation, hussein just needs to get out of iraq and never vacation there.
I don't think you are getting what I'm saying here.. If Germany tries Rumsfeld and finds him guilty then it would be a conviction just like any other conviction. BUT... The problem is that Rumsfeld will never actually suffer any consequences of that conviction because the US will never allow him to be extradicted and he will not be put in prison here for a conviction from a German court. Now, if he was tried in the US, like Hussein is being tried in Iraq, then he would suffer the consequence because he's an American citizen. If Hussein, being an Iraqi, was being tried by France then the same thing would happen. He would suffer no consequences from the conviction because he's not a French citizen and they'd never be granted the power to extradict him. I think my using quotes around the word conviction created some confusion or something.
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he'd fuck you up
Why is that?
(man, I'm glad I reread it. Orginally I thought you said "He'd fuck you")
are you his bitch, or something??
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well, rumsfeld knows judo...
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he's a 74 year old coward. besides, i would rather he died a slow painful death, something along the lines of rectal cancer.
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That would be sweet! Hopefully you wouldn't have internet privileges in prison, and we wouldn't have to read these inane posts anymore.
he's a 74 year old JUDO MACHINE...
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Not really, no. The US disturbed something that had nothing to do with sovereign control.
There's no such thing as "international discretion". There is only the organizations of realpolitik that you've attached very fancy names and shiny buildings to.
i admit that was a little over the top. i despise the man. sorry for the inappropriate comment.
but i'm sure if eddie said it, it would be funny. you know, like how he said he'd kill bush in '92.
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oh, i'm sure. :rolleyes: your baby-sitter could kick his ass.
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okay, let's see...sovereignty deals with your ability to decide for yourself...and do mitigate those things which are pressuring your ability to do that...iraq was not doing such a thing...and, the u.s., under false pretenses, went over and killed people. we didn't and don't have any authority in iraq. and, then, add to that, the actions sanctioned by the leader of the u.s. military, and you have someone that has to be accountable. like someone already said, it doesn't mean a fucking thing except decreasing travel destinations because of the recognition of jurisdiction. but, it creates, in the mind of people watching, that someone was guilty of something. in this whole situation, you know, as well as i do, that there are a lot of people guilty of a lot of things (and i'm not even talking about the stuff that soldiers have done in iraq which are beyond the scope of conduct...you know, soldier populations fall into the statistics of deviance just like any other population).
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yeah, right after he had his way with her with his giant, christian dick. he is, as you have mentioned, an older gentleman, so he would have some recovery time after that, thus allowing her the opportunity to blindside him. but, after he quickly recovered from that seeming knockout blow...he would JUDO KILL her!
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Let me see if I'm understanding this:
It is your claim that the existing Iraqi regime represented the individual sovereignty of the Iraqi people?
A yes or no is what I'm looking for here.
Yes it did.
By your logic, everyone had authority in Iraq.
Hehe....let me look at this again:
"it creates, in the mind of people watching, that someone was guilty of something."
Now that's a hell of a principle to run a justice system on.
oh please, it's a well known fact that donald rumsfeld has a small, uncircumsized penis. why do you think he has such hostility in him??
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a well known fact huh? hmmmmmmm
ya, i checked out that wiki link you sent me.
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i said that the u.s. had no authority in iraq. i didn't go as far as saying who had authority there or who has authority now. i, also, didn't mention sovereignty, in any way, in relation to iraq and/or its people. i did, though, mention what a sovereign u.s. means.
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because he's denying his homosexual urges...DUH!
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why don't you give him a hand(pun intended)?
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Umm..okay. We'll see if ole Rummy boy ever sees the inside of a jail cell based on a "conviction" from a court outside the US. Good luck with that though.
why do you consider a conviction handed down from a court outside of the u.s. a "conviction" instead of a straight up CONVICTION? by your logic, and your disrespect for courts outside of the u.s., the hussein verdict is nothing more than a "verdict".
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of course he won't. you know why?? because there is no justice in this world. people like him, with money and power, can get away with anything. he'll die in his fucking rocking chair on the front porch of his ranch, peacefully. and he won't go to hell, because that only exists here on earth. and there are plenty of people who are in a living hell right now because of that old cunt.
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The same principle that keeps me from declaring you guilty of annoying me, and shooting you execution style as rightful punishment
Law requires a standard and means of judgement to which the individual willingly submits. That means a system of judgement extends from individual sovereignty, rather than replaces it.
why am i annoying you?
so, i have to willingly submit to the judicial process in order for it to be acceptable? that's absurd. yes, a system of judgment does extend from individual sovereignty and does not replace it. no one has to submit to judgment...evidence is heard...the positions are weighed and judgment is passed down...punishment to be administered...the recognition of the judgment makes it so...
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You're not -- I was just joking.
Of course. Again, would it be just if I gathered up some friends and "tried" you for annoying me and sentenced you to death?
It's still a conviction. Just one that doesn't hold any weight because all its going to do is keep Rumsfeld from being able to travel to a few places. And wasn't Hussein tried by and in Iraq? Not by oh say.. France? If France had convicted Hussein do you think it would have been of any consequence to him? Nope. Just like a conviction in Germany will be of no real consequence to Rumsfeld.
what is a jury, if not a group of friends deciding the fate of the defendant? i mean, you could bring civil suit against me for something that i did or caused to happen or allowed to happen...so...not sure how far off base it would be to say that you could do just what you are saying.
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if it doesn't hold any weight then why would it matter if rumsfeld were found to be in germany? how is a german court different from a u.s. court in deciding the fate of a man who has put into motion so much destruction and death?
i asked you the question about hussein based on your characterization of "conviction". so, under your formulation, hussein just needs to get out of iraq and never vacation there.
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I don't think you are getting what I'm saying here.. If Germany tries Rumsfeld and finds him guilty then it would be a conviction just like any other conviction. BUT... The problem is that Rumsfeld will never actually suffer any consequences of that conviction because the US will never allow him to be extradicted and he will not be put in prison here for a conviction from a German court. Now, if he was tried in the US, like Hussein is being tried in Iraq, then he would suffer the consequence because he's an American citizen. If Hussein, being an Iraqi, was being tried by France then the same thing would happen. He would suffer no consequences from the conviction because he's not a French citizen and they'd never be granted the power to extradict him. I think my using quotes around the word conviction created some confusion or something.