it's a horrible thought, i must agree...but i had a conversation with someone who is consumed with protecting others...
this person said it like this: if doing so, prevented harmful damage to a mass of people and within those people was your daughter, your family and your friends, then it's very easy to sleep at night...(not exact quote but gest is the same)
and even though i hate this thought of being cruel and unkind to others, i have to think about our planet, our mother...if inflicting harm on another human prevents mass demolition and war (it's a cost effective means for soulution) , then this one act is like severing cancer cells from a body that is overidden with that horrible virus...
i never in my life thought i would see things so differently than my compassionate side, but we do treat other diseases, aggresively, with no remorse...
all insanity:
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
be thankful for our blessings and be thankful that your job is not assigned to such...but each of us have different roles in this universe....
to look at a bee hive is a great way to compare...there is only one queen and then others who serve....it's natures way...
this person who does this job is serving all of us.for our safety is that person's queen...thank you for letting me see another side, thief...peace to you for you give us peace...
sending heartfelt thoughts...
all insanity:
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
it's a horrible thought, i must agree...but i had a conversation with someone who is consumed with protecting others...
this person said it like this: if doing so, prevented harmful damage to a mass of people and within those people was your daughter, your family and your friends, then it's very easy to sleep at night...(not exact quote but gest is the same)
and even though i hate this thought of being cruel and unkind to others, i have to think about our planet, our mother...if inflicting harm on another human prevents mass demolition and war (it's a cost effective means for soulution) , then this one act is like severing cancer cells from a body that is overidden with that horrible virus...
i never in my life thought i would see things so differently than my compassionate side, but we do treat other diseases, aggresively, with no remorse...
I wonder how many times it happens that they prevent the death of hundreds, or save the world by torturing one guy.
I also wonder how many times torture leads to useless information, or information that doesn't save the lives of others or helps save the world.
Just slip the fuckers some lsd. They'll realize every being is equally important and that we're all connected, they'll realize their actions will lead to the deaths of people, brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers. Then they'll cry and tell you the answer. Simple as that
be thankful for our blessings and be thankful that your job is not assigned to such...but each of us have different roles in this universe
to look at a bee hive is a great way to compare...there is only one queen and then others who serve....it's natures way...
this person who does this job is serving all of us.for our safety is that person's queen...thank you for letting me see another side, thief...peace to you for you give us peace...
sending heartfelt thoughts...
Yeah, screw that. I'm a human being. I have a conscience. Don't become what you're fighting.
i love you, back, collin...and perhaps you are right... there are other answers, but never the less this stuff does happen and it's not my calling to judge any other human, only myself
i do remember a quote from the peace offerings i am posting....out of thunder arises peace....
yin/yang...
we don't live in gather/hunter times, we live in 2008 and we as humans have to share compassion when we look in others eyes, even when we don't agree...it's the only way to truly find peace....
i don't condone waterboarding, unless of course it has to do with moving water and enjoyment...i am only learning empathize and even appreciate the tale side of a coin...
all insanity:
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
Yeah, screw that. I'm a human being. I have a conscience. Don't become what you're fighting.
as do i, i am grateful to establish a postive and fluid relationship in this universe...if we are living according to universal laws, then hopefully we will not endeavor to have to experience either side of the water board....
peace begins with_in...and we can all touch eachother if we wish to...
bob says it well: we can make it work...come together....but we still have those few cancer cells in nature.....
i do like the lsd remedy, very much...;)....
all insanity:
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
I think we disagree a little too much on life for me to post a consistent counter argumen
Which is a fancy way of saying you don't have one.
Like I said before this is only used in extreme circumstances.
chances are if they are waterboarding a suspect it is because they have very good reason to feel there is significant danger posed to innocent lives.
Wouldn't you feel bad if you let this suspect slip through and he sets off a "dirty bomb" killing/injuring many people?
"they don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
is that exactly what I thought I read?"
I think we disagree a little too much on life for me to post a consistent counter argumen
Which is a fancy way of saying you don't have one.
Like I said before this is only used in extreme circumstances.
chances are if they are waterboarding a suspect it is because they have very good reason to feel there is significant danger posed to innocent lives.
Wouldn't you feel bad if you let this suspect slip through and he sets off a "dirty bomb" killing/injuring many people?
The minute we become like our enemy is the minute that they can declare victory. We are not savages but a civilized nation and civilized nations do not torture people. So if creating these "24"-like scenerios helps you sleep better at night with the thought that you are all on board with torturing another human being that that is your right. I personally sleep better at night knowing that I completely disapprove of this barbaric behavior.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
i will leave the rest up to a power that is GReater than mySelf...
but i love that every once in a while i can actually see another side of a topic besides that which comes from influence from my marshmello heart...:)...
i have always had a great deal of respect and reverence for this community...
you, included, with some of the BEST people on this planet...
all insanity:
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
Good guys don't torture. Don't we see ourselves as the Good Guys? Torture is something we think of when we think of Nazis and Soviets and terrorists.
In order to defeat... do not become them. If you do... you have failed.
I completely agree.
that said, if it comes down to stopping another 9/11 I gotta admit it's a grey area.
How about this: If you feel you need to go to that level to extract information and you are 100% sure you have the right guy and he has information that you are 100% sure could save hundreds of thousands of lives....
get a warrant, put it in writing. If you are truly doing the right thing there's no reason not to right?
I mean you're not just torturing people for thrills..
You are tied to a board, your ankles, wrists, chest and head strapped firmly down. Water pours onto your face, flows up your nose, into your mouth, down your throat and fills your lungs and stomach. You gag, choke and struggle for breath.
This is waterboarding.
The CIA uses waterboarding to try to extract information from detainees in the ‘war on terror’. President George Bush calls it a ‘necessary tool’. In reality it is torture.
If you dont want to be in this situation maybe you should stay away from others who want to run airplanes into buildings, blow themselfs up in the name of god, hurt innocent people, and other things like that.
I subscribe to this... where is that web site?
A pessimist is a man who thinks all women are bad. An optimist is one who hopes they are.
The minute we become like our enemy is the minute that they can declare victory. We are not savages but a civilized nation and civilized nations do not torture people. So if creating these "24"-like scenerios helps you sleep better at night with the thought that you are all on board with torturing another human being that that is your right. I personally sleep better at night knowing that I completely disapprove of this barbaric behavior.
Now I don't have to type anything.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
thanks for the link; i will unsubscribe...but make sure that i do not stand in another's shoes to judge or condemn, only my own and walk a path with an open mind as well as an open heart
all insanity:
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
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this person said it like this: if doing so, prevented harmful damage to a mass of people and within those people was your daughter, your family and your friends, then it's very easy to sleep at night...(not exact quote but gest is the same)
and even though i hate this thought of being cruel and unkind to others, i have to think about our planet, our mother...if inflicting harm on another human prevents mass demolition and war (it's a cost effective means for soulution) , then this one act is like severing cancer cells from a body that is overidden with that horrible virus...
i never in my life thought i would see things so differently than my compassionate side, but we do treat other diseases, aggresively, with no remorse...
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
to look at a bee hive is a great way to compare...there is only one queen and then others who serve....it's natures way...
this person who does this job is serving all of us.for our safety is that person's queen...thank you for letting me see another side, thief...peace to you for you give us peace...
sending heartfelt thoughts...
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
I wonder how many times it happens that they prevent the death of hundreds, or save the world by torturing one guy.
I also wonder how many times torture leads to useless information, or information that doesn't save the lives of others or helps save the world.
Just slip the fuckers some lsd. They'll realize every being is equally important and that we're all connected, they'll realize their actions will lead to the deaths of people, brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers. Then they'll cry and tell you the answer. Simple as that
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Yeah, screw that. I'm a human being. I have a conscience. Don't become what you're fighting.
naděje umírá poslední
i do remember a quote from the peace offerings i am posting....out of thunder arises peace....
yin/yang...
we don't live in gather/hunter times, we live in 2008 and we as humans have to share compassion when we look in others eyes, even when we don't agree...it's the only way to truly find peace....
i don't condone waterboarding, unless of course it has to do with moving water and enjoyment...i am only learning empathize and even appreciate the tale side of a coin...
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
peace begins with_in...and we can all touch eachother if we wish to...
bob says it well: we can make it work...come together....but we still have those few cancer cells in nature.....
i do like the lsd remedy, very much...;)....
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
is that exactly what I thought I read?"
How I choose to feel,...Is how I am.
The minute we become like our enemy is the minute that they can declare victory. We are not savages but a civilized nation and civilized nations do not torture people. So if creating these "24"-like scenerios helps you sleep better at night with the thought that you are all on board with torturing another human being that that is your right. I personally sleep better at night knowing that I completely disapprove of this barbaric behavior.
and then we don't have to worry about it...
does your vote get ya what ya really want?
repeal, repeal, repeal...
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
Actually under the rules of the Geneva Convention it is illegal but since our government decided that it is above the law they do as they please.
it was nice to explore though...
i will leave the rest up to a power that is GReater than mySelf...
but i love that every once in a while i can actually see another side of a topic besides that which comes from influence from my marshmello heart...:)...
i have always had a great deal of respect and reverence for this community...
you, included, with some of the BEST people on this planet...
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
I completely agree.
that said, if it comes down to stopping another 9/11 I gotta admit it's a grey area.
How about this: If you feel you need to go to that level to extract information and you are 100% sure you have the right guy and he has information that you are 100% sure could save hundreds of thousands of lives....
get a warrant, put it in writing. If you are truly doing the right thing there's no reason not to right?
I mean you're not just torturing people for thrills..
are you?
Blond hair blue eyes and in the army. Im not worried about me being mistaken for anything other than what I am.
Im neither for it nor against it. I look at like I do many things, depends on the situation. Sometimes drastic situations call for drastic measures.
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If you dont want to be in this situation maybe you should stay away from others who want to run airplanes into buildings, blow themselfs up in the name of god, hurt innocent people, and other things like that.
I subscribe to this... where is that web site?
Now I don't have to type anything.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light