"Loose Change" & Other Conspiracies Get OWNED!

A Surprise Left

bootlegger10 wrote:

Like democracy in Iraq, catching Osama, a peaceful Afghanistan?

You liberals need to make up your minds. Either these guys are inept, or are geniuses. Make up your minds.

same exact thought i expressed.....so now bush is the dumb spokesman with the evil cheney and co behind him doing the dirty work. seems they are genius when it suits them and inept when it doesn't.

daanarts

its hard (impossible?) to have a hard opinion about the whole thing (9-11). but the movie does make think about the crash about flight 93 and the pentagon.. if the government wants us to believe it was a plane, why not show it.. were is the plane wreckage in philly????
like some one said before.. if they are lying about this. what else???

also i cant believe that now that it has been proven by independant people that saddam had no contacts with al quaida and no weapons of mass destruction.....how come no one gives a shit that the US invaded this country for all the wrong reasons. this should b enough to impeach anyone!...

chopitdown

daanarts wrote:

its hard (impossible?) to have a hard opinion about the whole thing (9-11). but the movie does make think about the crash about flight 93 and the pentagon.. if the government wants us to believe it was a plane, why not show it..

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html

64 people got on a plane, they can't find the the people; there's a hole in the pentagon, the plane was seen heading that way...sure, it wasn't an airplane :rolleyes:

What about the hundred people who SAW the plane hit the pentagon. They must be the crackpots and the handful that think it's a missile are the normal people and they aren't being delusional.

Abookamongstthemany

chopitdown wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html

64 people got on a plane, they can't find the the people; there's a hole in the pentagon, the plane was seen heading that way...sure, it wasn't an airplane :rolleyes:

What about the hundred people who SAW the plane hit the pentagon. They must be the crackpots and the handful that think it's a missile are the normal people and they aren't being delusional.

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/

SPEEDY MCCREADY

bigfoot........

jeffbr

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/

Doesn't address the question of the passengers.

gabers

I think "Dems" and "Liberals" have a greater propensity to be "conspiracy theorists" for a few reasons, probably the first major reason being the JFK assassination. I would guess a majority believes that there was that the Warren Report did not reflect what really happened. Most liberals have not really felt like they could trust the government since, while most conservatives probably feel like we should. There are a million reason why you should never trust this administration, that's for sure.

I myself find it hard to believe of a massive conspiracy of those in power to kill 3,000 of our citizens, just like I get irked when people suggest FDR allowed Pearl Harbor to happen.

I think it is our responsibility as citizens of the U.S. to question our government, because an unchecked and all-powerful government was the ultimate cause of our revolution, and those in power need to always remember that.

chopitdown

Barbara Olsen had just completed her book, "Final Days" on the corruption of the departing Clinton administration, when she died on flight 77.

Coincidence? I think not. Clinton knew about this for a long time and when he found out a book was coming out on how corrupt the administration was he chose to do nothing about it to try and shift the blame from him to Bush.

chopitdown

gabers wrote:

I think "Dems" and "Liberals" have a greater propensity to be "conspiracy theorists" for a few reasons, probably the first major reason being the JFK assassination. I would guess a majority believes that there was that the Warren Report did not reflect what really happened. Most liberals have not really felt like they could trust the government since, while most conservatives probably feel like we should. There are a million reason why you should never trust this administration, that's for sure.

I myself find it hard to believe of a massive conspiracy of those in power to kill 3,000 of our citizens, just like I get irked when people suggest FDR allowed Pearl Harbor to happen.

I think it is our responsibility as citizens of the U.S. to question our government, because an unchecked and all-powerful government was the ultimate cause of our revolution, and those in power need to always remember that.

well said.

bootlegger10

chiefojibwa wrote:

and you want to talk about wasting 5 years of your life worrying about something...how about all the yahoos in this country living in bumfuck iowa, worried about a terrorist attack?

Racist. Okay, so you both may be white. But the fact remains that you think you are better than someone based on where you live. Which is just as bad. But yet you consider yourselves open-minded and tolerant.

El_Kabong

A Surprise Left wrote:

so bush knows nothing at all about this grand plan and cheney and co planned this whilst keeping him in the dark? cheney and rumsfield are certainly pieces of work but the hijacking of jets and slamming them into the world trade centre? so they could invade afghanistan of all countries? its a good question why it took so long. but this conspiracy theory still seems like the one heard from people who question the moon-landing or think elvis is still alive.

did you look up the wolfowitz doctrine or pnac's 'redfining america's defenses'? if you will read them i will be more than happy to post points from these documents written in the early 90's and in 2000.

they didn't do it just to 'invade afghanistan', it was to get support for their agenda. read thsoe 2 documents, they spelled out their plans, including invading iraq for control of the resources, which they believe is america's duty to secure.

they even ended their 2000 paper, redefining america's defenses by saying the only way to get enough support for their agendas would be through "a catalyzing event, like a new pearl harbor" gee, an exactly a year later they got it....and suddenly they had the support to push thru a lot of their plans there previously hadn't been any/enough support for.

Drowned Out

bootlegger10 wrote:

You're a racist.

And you’re a bad comedian.

bootlegger10 wrote:

Racist. Okay, so you both may be white. But the fact remains that you think you are better than someone based on where you live. Which is just as bad. But yet you consider yourselves open-minded and tolerant.

Seriously…holy crap. Wish I’d caught your original post before you edited it. Where did I say anything about being better than anyone? Where is there anything said about race? Do you even know my stance on Elvis?:D Your ignorance propogates the stereotypes you’re getting defensive about more than my little joke did.
Besides….look at a blue/red map of the states….who exactly am I being “racist” towards?

soulsinging

Drowned Out wrote:

And I don't know why people keep comparing the percentages of "Elvis is alive" believers to the percentage of "US gov't was involved in 9/11" believers. I hate to draw these lines, but.....I would bet my last dollar that 90% of the "Elvis" people live in red states, and 90% of the 9/11 theorists live in blue states.....not the same people at all

no, but equally nutty

but the racist claims are ridiculous. what the hell are people in idaho worried about? david cross had a great joke about that... nobody gives a shit about bumfuck montana. the terrorists arent gonna get those good ole boys, nor are the queers, the negroes, the hispanic invasion, or the feminazis. they're all safe in their redneck paradise, dont worry. the places that do have to worry... nyc, dc, etc... all blue states. so why dont we let them decide the best way to handle this situation? they're the ones who have to deal with the potential fallout from it.

Ahnimus

All products of Rupert Murdoch's right wing propaganda.

daanarts

jeffbr wrote:

Doesn't address the question of the passengers.

people can be made up...

chopitdown

daanarts wrote:

people can be made up...

are you serious?