Is 21 weeks still early enough for an abortion?

ForestBrain

http://www.21stcenturypaladin.com/?p=2163

catch22

that thing ain't human. it looks alien. creepy as hell.

kcherub

My friend's little girl was born at 24 weeks. She had some developmental delays, but is smart as a whip. Miracles happen.

DriftingByTheStorm

ForestBrain wrote:

http://www.21stcenturypaladin.com/?p=2163

life starts at birth.

don't over think it.
:cool:

ForestBrain

I believe life starts at conception. I also believe that people tell themselves it doesn't start until birth because it eases their conscience.

Brain of J.Lo

You know what? If you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one. It's that simple.

OffHeGoes29

What ever happen to contraceptives? I know there are accidences, but wrap that shit up, take the pill, be responsible. It might not be such a hot button issue if people think about the choices they make before all of this happens.

catch22

ForestBrain wrote:

I believe life starts at conception. I also believe that people tell themselves it doesn't start until birth because it eases their conscience.

not at all. like i said, that thing ain't human. if it was, they'd show more than the feet. but they know people would see the real thing and go "what the fuck is that freaky little blob of jelly out of john carpenter's 'the thing'" and the pro-life movement would be deader than a 6-week fetus born to a liberal democrat.

writersu

I think the general rule for first trimester abortions 12 weeks. After that I believe it is a bit more involved........

wow, though, what the hell are people thinking writing articles like that? it just feeds the crazy people into the whole issue.
and I think like this; when we have made decisions based on what we want as our rights, then fuck it, we are done with that. like ok, so are we going to say stupid shit like, "you know freeing all the black slaves was a crazy ass idea; screw Lincoln; we want are slaves back. all you black people get back here."

that is INSANE!! see? sounds the same to me.......as crazy...

right?

but hell, yeah those feet are alien like. and I don't get why the baby went home; I thought that preemies generally were in the Neonatal ICU to be watched. That baby doesn't look like it would survive long if it didn't. That is weird....I would be scared to take care of the little thing for fear I would miss something big and have it not make it........

idk, people, idk.........

OffHeGoes29

I always thought that this issue was flip flopped.

The left wants to kill babies and stop war

The right want to save babies and wage war

? How does this work ?

Anon

writersu wrote:

but hell, yeah those feet are alien like. and I don't get why the baby went home; I thought that preemies generally were in the Neonatal ICU to be watched. That baby doesn't look like it would survive long if it didn't. That is weird....I would be scared to take care of the little thing for fear I would miss something big and have it not make it........

idk, people, idk.........

There is no way in the world that a baby born at 21 weeks gestation would be going home. The article said she was born at 21 weeks 4 months ago and has now gone home.

Brain of J.Lo

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

I always thought that this issue was flip flopped.

The left wants to kill babies and stop war

The right want to save babies and wage war

? How does this work ?

I just loooooove killin' babies!

:rolleyes:

DriftingByTheStorm

writersu wrote:

wow, though, what the hell are people thinking writing articles like that? it just feeds the crazy people into the whole issue.
and I think like this; when we have made decisions based on what we want as our rights, then fuck it, we are done with that. like ok, so are we going to say stupid shit like, "you know freeing all the black slaves was a crazy ass idea; screw Lincoln; we want are slaves back. all you black people get back here."

My opinion,
not indending to pass judgement,
would simply be that slaves (black or otherwise) and the unborn are both classes of people with out the ability to claim "rights".

said wrote:

when we have made decisions based on what we want as our rights, then fuck it

The unintended irony presented in the argument above is that when a woman has an abortion, the decision is based on what she wants as her rights (and certainly in some cases it is a decision she feels shamed or guilted in to making, sheesh). But it certainly isn't a decision made by the developing child.

OffHeGoes29

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

I just loooooove killin' babies!

:rolleyes:

I know, its a real hypocrisy isn't it?

Thats why I'm for killing babies and waging war.

OffHeGoes29

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

My opinion,
not indending to pass judgement,
would simply be that slaves (black or otherwise) and the unborn are both classes of people with out the ability to claim "rights".



The unintended irony presented in the argument above is that when a woman has an abortion, the decision is based on what she wants as her rights (and certainly in some cases it is a decision she feels shamed or guilted in to making, sheesh). But it certainly isn't a decision made by the developing child.

Or the father

vduboise

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Or the father

For some, not all, of the women who choose to have abortions, the fathers could give a rats ass. Not saying that there are not potential fathers that would want to take care of the child. But for the most part, a lot of women are on their own. And they have to make the choices that would be best for them.

DriftingByTheStorm

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

I always thought that this issue was flip flopped.

The left wants to kill babies and stop war

The right want to save babies and wage war

? How does this work ?

Yeah, but the social and financial costs saved by killing babies, and preventing war allow the left to pay for their programs to help the disadvantaged and impoverished.

Where as the babies saved ensure that the right has enough cannon fodder to continue the international oppression of the disadvantaged and impoverished thereby providing for the national security and war economy necessary to fuel, expand, and maintain (albeit only temporarily) the "american dream" for not only the elite, but also for the entirety of middle class America (half of which considers itself "left").

So in summary,

Left: Kill babies sooner, save the poor, the disadvantaged, and the infirm.

Right: Send babies to die in far away places to protect the interests of the rich and middle class.



disclaimer:
[just playing devils advocate here people. i don't promote "left\right" dichotomies. they oversimplifiy, divide the people amongst themselves, and distract from more productive analyses. this breakdown is a poor attempt at humor or levity.]

catefrances

still early enough for an abortion?
personally i think its too late for an abortion. but tis not my call to make if im not the one pregnant.

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ForestBrain wrote:

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To answer your question, 1% of abortions happen at 21 weeks gestation or later. Most of them are wanted pregnancies where it was discovered late that the fetus or mother had a serious medical problem.

People seem to find this case particularly extraordinary because the baby was supposedly born 3 weeks before the 24-week mark. This is the point when fetuses are considered possibly viable and abortions are generally outlawed except when necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother. Only 0.08% of abortion happen at this point.

I looked into this a little bit further and found two interesting facts:

1. The claim is not that she was 21 weeks, but that she was 21 weeks and 6 days.

2. She was 21 weeks and 6 days counting from conception, which is not the method by which doctors usually count gestational age. (Apparently they counted it this way because they knew exactly when she conceived because the pregnancy was a result of in vitro fertilization.) Doctors usually count gestational age from the first day of the last menstrual period, which is 2 weeks before conception. This means that when comparing dates for viablity standards, she was 23 weeks and 6 days - only a few hours from being considered possibly viable by the medical community and off limits for abortion by most of the legal community.

I wish her well, but her story isn't that shocking after all.

know1

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

You know what? If you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one. It's that simple.

Similar to - if you don't want to murder someone, don't do it.

iamica

This is a decision that needs to be made by the pregnant woman, her doctor, and possibly the father (if he's even in the picture). It's nobody else's business, and certainly not the government's.