It won't cancel eachother out though. I think there are more older white people who'll vote against him for him being black, then there is younger, "progressive" people who'd vote for him because he's black.
The other thing is, the people who would vote against Obama because he's black are generally of the demographic -- older, white, God-fearin' Southerners -- that aren't going to vote for a Democrat no matter what color he is.
So, while it's true I think there are a lot of racists out there, I'm not sure how many votes it will actually cost Obama in the long run.
The places where this kind of thought is pervasive -- and I know this is a stereotype, but I live in Texas, so it is an accurate one -- Obama wasn't going to win those states anyway, just by being a Democrat.
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The other thing is, the people who would vote against Obama because he's black are generally of the demographic -- older, white, God-fearin' Southerners -- that aren't going to vote for a Democrat no matter what color he is.
So, while it's true I think there are a lot of racists out there, I'm not sure how many votes it will actually cost Obama in the long run.
The places where this kind of thought is pervasive -- and I know this is a stereotype, but I live in Texas, so it is an accurate one -- Obama wasn't going to win those states anyway, just by being a Democrat.
True... I know some people who believe that Obama is a terrorist loving muslim who wants to double your taxes, blah blah blah.... But those same people are ones who voted for Bush twice, and wouldn't have voted for Obama (or just about any democrat) if he was the only candidate running.
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The other thing is, the people who would vote against Obama because he's black are generally of the demographic -- older, white, God-fearin' Southerners -- that aren't going to vote for a Democrat no matter what color he is.
So, while it's true I think there are a lot of racists out there, I'm not sure how many votes it will actually cost Obama in the long run.
The places where this kind of thought is pervasive -- and I know this is a stereotype, but I live in Texas, so it is an accurate one -- Obama wasn't going to win those states anyway, just by being a Democrat.
True, but I think lots of these people don't vote lots of times. They only vote if they sense a "threat" so when they see a black guy running, they round up the whole family and go vote together.
True, but I think lots of these people don't vote lots of times. They only vote if they sense a "threat" so when they see a black guy running, they round up the whole family and go vote together.
And many of them have VERY big families ...
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
True, but I think lots of these people don't vote lots of times. They only vote if they sense a "threat" so when they see a black guy running, they round up the whole family and go vote together.
The same is true for many urban black families though, right? Not that they sense a threat, but they feel no reason to vote...well, now they have a reason (as being the same color seems to provide that). SO, they'll round up their whole families and vote.
The same is true for many urban black families though, right? Not that they sense a threat, but they feel no reason to vote...well, now they have a reason (as being the same color seems to provide that). SO, they'll round up their whole families and vote.
But I think the problem is that Obama would win those states anyway. The scenario you're talking about (I could be wrong) would probably affect states like New York, Illinois, California, etc... states he'd probably already win.
But I think the problem is that Obama would win those states anyway. The scenario you're talking about (I could be wrong) would probably affect states like New York, Illinois, California, etc... states he'd probably already win.
But swing states, not so much, I think.
I see your point, but I disagree some...Ohio for example...if you get out the Cleveland vote, you negate a lot of the rural vote. Cincinnati is a traditionally conservative city...usually a oxymoron, but it';s true...but if the blakc urban people in Cincinnati would actually take the time to go to the polls, it would make a difference statewide.
I would expect much the same in Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc...I see it making a big difference. I could be wrong.
I see your point, but I disagree some...Ohio for example...if you get out the Cleveland vote, you negate a lot of the rural vote. Cincinnati is a traditionally conservative city...usually a oxymoron, but it';s true...but if the blakc urban people in Cincinnati would actually take the time to go to the polls, it would make a difference statewide.
I would expect much the same in Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc...I see it making a big difference. I could be wrong.
I can see what you mean which is why I said I could be wrong as well... I guess we'll have to wait and see election day.
Like I give a shit though, I'll be praying to god the Obama supporters are right about him if he's elected.
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There's no doubt he's a sac lamb for the Repubs. They don't want the White House now, they'll be so much hoopla/distraction over BO being the first black that the Repubs will get ready for 2012 and a Jeb Bush run President.
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foreign policy...? McCain doesn't know the difference between a sunni and shiites, and thinks Pakistan borders Iraq...
I wonder if folks will be interested in the following question:
Do you think if Barack Obama had left his seriously ill wife after having had multiple affairs, had been a member of the “Keating Five,” had had a relationship with a much younger lobbyist that his staff felt the need to try and block, had intervened on behalf of the client of said young lobbyist with a federal agency, had denounced then embraced Jerry Falwell, had denounced then embraced the Bush tax cuts, had confused Shiite with Sunni, had confused Al Qaeda in Iraq with the Mahdi Army, had actively sought the endorsement and appeared on stage with a man who denounced the Catholic Church as a whore, and stated that he knew next to nothing about economics — do you think it’s possible that Obama would have been treated differently by the media than John McCain has been? Possible?
And — this is fun to contemplate — if Michelle Obama had been an adulteress, drug addict thief with a penchant for plagiarism — do you think that she would be subject to slightly different treatment from the media than Cindypills McCain has been? Anyone?
The media is very retarded in how they treat McCain compared to Obama. The kid gloves are out on McCain and they are wating to pounce on anything Obama
The media is very retarded in how they treat McCain compared to Obama. The kid gloves are out on McCain and they are wating to pounce on anything Obama
as some people here have told me this could be becuase the press follow Obama and not McCain. If you want to be given that much media presence you hav eto deal with the down side. but i still don't believe that the press is being fair to McCain when you look at all the media attention that Obama does get. i think the media pounces on Obama on very stupid things when they can talk about his views more... same for McCain.
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8 years of the Bush Oil Company...who else could they possibly put up on the ticket knowing they will be absolutely trounced on election day? Yes he's an incredibly respectable man who's done more for his country than all of us on this board put together, but he's going to lose. Big. For all he's done for the country, I actually feel bad for this guy.
His service in the Navy (even though he was fire bombing villages) and as a POW is certainly honorable...but as far as "doing more for your country" - that's a crock of shit.
He has continued (as have most - if not all congress members) to rape taxpayers, cater to the Military Industrial Complex (by his own admission), Keating 5, Iraq invasion, selling out to the Far right and Bush/Rove, FISA - I mean seriously - shall I continue?
"Sean Hannity knows there is no greater threat to America today than Bill Clinton 15 years ago"- Stephen Colbert
His service in the Navy (even though he was fire bombing villages) and as a POW is certainly honorable...but as far as "doing more for your country" - that's a crock of shit.
He has continued (as have most - if not all congress members) to rape taxpayers, cater to the Military Industrial Complex (by his own admission), Keating 5, Iraq invasion, selling out to the Far right and Bush/Rove, FISA - I mean seriously - shall I continue?
You continue if you want.
Being tortured for 5 years or whatever it was is a bit more than 'certainly honorable'. Not giving in to the VietCong is a bit more than 'certainly honorable'. And it's much more than ANY of us have ever done. Put together. I can't fathom losing freedom for 5 years, let alone being tortured. Being married is bad enough!
I'm not voting for the guy. He voted to invade Iraq.
Being tortured for 5 years or whatever it was is a bit more than 'certainly honorable'. Not giving in to the VietCong is a bit more than 'certainly honorable'. And it's much more than ANY of us have ever done. Put together. I can't fathom losing freedom for 5 years, let alone being tortured. Being married is bad enough!
I'm not voting for the guy. He voted to invade Iraq.
Like i said - it certainly is honorable makes him braver than I will ever be. NO DOUBT
BUt he harmed this country well beyond any "good" that he did by stealer from taxpayers, voting on Iraq, etc etc etc etc - all of the above.
Not to mention - the asshole did a complete flil flop on torture in order to pander to the war mongering nutjob right wing of the GOP. That's a good one.
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you can't invent a war just to be a wartime president come election day in 2004 and expect to get away with it. or support it. you have 4 thousand lives to account for...not to mention the innocent ones in iraq. c ya bush c ya cheney c ya palin c ya mccain
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8 years of the Bush Oil Company...who else could they possibly put up on the ticket knowing they will be absolutely trounced on election day? Yes he's an incredibly respectable man who's done more for his country than all of us on this board put together, but he's going to lose. Big. For all he's done for the country, I actually feel bad for this guy.
I totally agree, I saw the writing on the wall back in January. I gauranteed the Democrat would win this election just never thought it would be Obama. I thought it would be Hillary.
In many ways if you take a close look at the WAY he ran this campaign you would think HE even knew he was the Republican Sacrificial Lamb and he was very angry about it.
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The other thing is, the people who would vote against Obama because he's black are generally of the demographic -- older, white, God-fearin' Southerners -- that aren't going to vote for a Democrat no matter what color he is.
So, while it's true I think there are a lot of racists out there, I'm not sure how many votes it will actually cost Obama in the long run.
The places where this kind of thought is pervasive -- and I know this is a stereotype, but I live in Texas, so it is an accurate one -- Obama wasn't going to win those states anyway, just by being a Democrat.
for the least they could possibly do
True... I know some people who believe that Obama is a terrorist loving muslim who wants to double your taxes, blah blah blah.... But those same people are ones who voted for Bush twice, and wouldn't have voted for Obama (or just about any democrat) if he was the only candidate running.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
And many of them have VERY big families ...
for the least they could possibly do
The same is true for many urban black families though, right? Not that they sense a threat, but they feel no reason to vote...well, now they have a reason (as being the same color seems to provide that). SO, they'll round up their whole families and vote.
As do many of the urban black families....;)
But swing states, not so much, I think.
I see your point, but I disagree some...Ohio for example...if you get out the Cleveland vote, you negate a lot of the rural vote. Cincinnati is a traditionally conservative city...usually a oxymoron, but it';s true...but if the blakc urban people in Cincinnati would actually take the time to go to the polls, it would make a difference statewide.
I would expect much the same in Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc...I see it making a big difference. I could be wrong.
i am not voting for him.
Like I give a shit though, I'll be praying to god the Obama supporters are right about him if he's elected.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
The media is very retarded in how they treat McCain compared to Obama. The kid gloves are out on McCain and they are wating to pounce on anything Obama
as some people here have told me this could be becuase the press follow Obama and not McCain. If you want to be given that much media presence you hav eto deal with the down side. but i still don't believe that the press is being fair to McCain when you look at all the media attention that Obama does get. i think the media pounces on Obama on very stupid things when they can talk about his views more... same for McCain.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
His service in the Navy (even though he was fire bombing villages) and as a POW is certainly honorable...but as far as "doing more for your country" - that's a crock of shit.
He has continued (as have most - if not all congress members) to rape taxpayers, cater to the Military Industrial Complex (by his own admission), Keating 5, Iraq invasion, selling out to the Far right and Bush/Rove, FISA - I mean seriously - shall I continue?
You continue if you want.
Being tortured for 5 years or whatever it was is a bit more than 'certainly honorable'. Not giving in to the VietCong is a bit more than 'certainly honorable'. And it's much more than ANY of us have ever done. Put together. I can't fathom losing freedom for 5 years, let alone being tortured. Being married is bad enough!
I'm not voting for the guy. He voted to invade Iraq.
Like i said - it certainly is honorable makes him braver than I will ever be. NO DOUBT
BUt he harmed this country well beyond any "good" that he did by stealer from taxpayers, voting on Iraq, etc etc etc etc - all of the above.
Not to mention - the asshole did a complete flil flop on torture in order to pander to the war mongering nutjob right wing of the GOP. That's a good one.
But the Republicans have gotten good at disenfranchising them
for the least they could possibly do
Almost as good as the Democrats fooling them.
yeah buddy
c ya
you can't invent a war just to be a wartime president come election day in 2004 and expect to get away with it. or support it. you have 4 thousand lives to account for...not to mention the innocent ones in iraq. c ya bush c ya cheney c ya palin c ya mccain
I totally agree, I saw the writing on the wall back in January. I gauranteed the Democrat would win this election just never thought it would be Obama. I thought it would be Hillary.
In many ways if you take a close look at the WAY he ran this campaign you would think HE even knew he was the Republican Sacrificial Lamb and he was very angry about it.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)