John McCain Is The Sacrificial Lamb Of The Republican Party
Steve Dunne
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8 years of the Bush Oil Company...who else could they possibly put up on the ticket knowing they will be absolutely trounced on election day? Yes he's an incredibly respectable man who's done more for his country than all of us on this board put together, but he's going to lose. Big. For all he's done for the country, I actually feel bad for this guy.
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He's the Republican version of Walter Mondale.
I feel bad for him too... I don't agree with him on a whole lot, but when he was a decent candidate in 2000 he got screwed by Bush/Rove's dirty politics, and now he is set up for failure in 2008.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
It's going to be a lot closer than people think...imo
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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if you can "vote" for bush a second time - you can easily vote for mccain
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Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I think Obama will win, but I do think it will be close.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
As for making McCain the sacrificial lamb, McCain wasn't the only republican running in the republican primary, he won the republican primary remember. What happen to McCain snob nosing the republican way? What happen to McCain being McCain? What happen to McCain doing it his way? Its called RNC strategy. Now that its backfiring, why not place the blame on the RNC for McCain's shortcomings. I guess it is also the RNC's fault that McCain can't get his act together when he speaks. Nice spin for the sympathy vote, sacrificial lamb, what a joke.
I personally have no doubt that he will win. He's going to kill Obama with the military history and the experience factor. The Obama/Osama shit may help as well. I don't know whether race will hurt Obama, but it can't help him.
And for all the right wing bellyaching about how much more the media is talking about Obama, that can only hurt him. As mentioned above, the average American Idol fan is soon to recognize that Obama is saying as little as possible and that the only "change" that is probably coming is not being Bush (something McCain also has going for him).
Part of me thinks that it's going to be a McCain landslide--that Obama will win Illinois, a few big states and a couple others...maybe 7 or 8 total plus DC. But the last two elections have me thinking it may be closer.
I say McCain wins, but by a Bush/Kerry margin.
Viewed alone, McCain looks like a throwaway. But compared to the major 2-party candidates, he looks to have a pretty good shot.
I think Obama will win ... but I don't think it will be a landslide. The way the electoral college works, in order for it to be a landslide, Obama will have to win a big southern state or a bunch of smaller southern states, neither of which I see happening.
But Obama, the way things are looking today, Obama will win -- I think by the Bush/Kerry margin you were talking about, or maybe one state more.
In politics, image matters a lot. I just think you put Obama on stage next to old man McCain ... it's like JFK next to Nixon, or Clinton next to Bush the First. It will be very easy for Obama to paint McCain as old and out of touch.
And if the economy is the No. 1 issue heading into November, it's over. No incumbent party holds on to the White House when the economy is in the crapper.
What would save McCain -- and maybe make him a virtual lock -- is if there were some kind of event that would push terrorism/the war to the front lines again. That's where I think McCain has a big advantage over Obama, and if something forces people to remember, "Oh yeah, we're at war," I think it would serve McCain well.
for the least they could possibly do
foreign policy...? McCain doesn't know the difference between a sunni and shiites, and thinks Pakistan borders Iraq...
I wonder if folks will be interested in the following question:
Do you think if Barack Obama had left his seriously ill wife after having had multiple affairs, had been a member of the “Keating Five,” had had a relationship with a much younger lobbyist that his staff felt the need to try and block, had intervened on behalf of the client of said young lobbyist with a federal agency, had denounced then embraced Jerry Falwell, had denounced then embraced the Bush tax cuts, had confused Shiite with Sunni, had confused Al Qaeda in Iraq with the Mahdi Army, had actively sought the endorsement and appeared on stage with a man who denounced the Catholic Church as a whore, and stated that he knew next to nothing about economics — do you think it’s possible that Obama would have been treated differently by the media than John McCain has been? Possible?
And — this is fun to contemplate — if Michelle Obama had been an adulteress, drug addict thief with a penchant for plagiarism — do you think that she would be subject to slightly different treatment from the media than Cindypills McCain has been? Anyone?
Wow. That's a pretty solid post you have there.
uhh ... george bush?? ... if a country can elect george bush twice - they can elect anyone ... arnold shwarzenegger is a governor for crying out loud - experience and knowledge matter little ...
I think it will all come out in the wash.
Some white people won't vote for Obama because he is black.
And some will vote for him BECAUSE he's black. It absolves their guilt over slavery or something. "Look at me! I'm progressive!"
for the least they could possibly do
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/19/8-barack-obama/
Stuff White People Like
#8 Barack Obama
January 19, 2008 by clander
Because white people are afraid that if they don’t like him that they will be called racist.
Really! So it couldn't be that the man actually hits on topics that even white people can identify with?
-- Its not as if white people are paying less at the gas pumps than blacks.
-- Its not as if white people aren't losing their homes just like blacks.
-- Its not as if white people aren't losing their jobs just like blacks.
-- Its not as if white people aren't without health care just like blacks.
-- Its not as if white men and women military personnel aren't being killed and maimed just like blacks.
Of course not, its all about white people feeling bad over slavery, bravo!
I think all that is true.
But I also think that:
Some whites won't vote for him because he's black.
Some blacks will vote for him only because he's black.
some whites will vote for him because he is black, as stated.
Some blacks won't vote for him because he isn't black enough.
You missed his point. One poster said people will NOT vote for Obama because of racism. His point is that some will vote for him ONLY because he's black - the whole white guilt thing. Some people will vote for him because the media tells them to. Some people will vote for him because he is the Democrat candidate. Some people will vote for him because they've weighed the issues and agree with his positions.
I never said he was strong in that area. In fact, I never said "foreign policy." However, the "experience" thing could help McCain alot. And I agree with slightofjeff, that it will be of particular importance if war/terrorism ends up as a key issue over the economy.
Well its the liberal media, so I guess they'd be ignoring it even more.
I wonder whether the term "Keating 5" will ever come up. The liberal media is only talking about Obama. I've been waiting for them to talk about McCain.
I think it's funny that you bring up the average american idol fan, and then expect them to dig deep into the issues.
I think the "change" from the Bush administration is probably the only change that he will need, and I honestly think that if McCain keeps trumpeting the war without ever saying what victory actually is, more and more people will jump ship from his military bandwagon.
was like a picture
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
sad for him, but good for us...i hope.
i don't like being over-confident, i've been burned by that in the past, as have we all.
and they only thing 'new' in there is the fact that people can actually vote purely on race if they so desire to, otherwise...isn't that pretty much every election?
and...
i certainly wouldn't label ANYone 'progressive' if they voted for a candidate based SOLEY on their race. altho i am going to guess that's also why you used quotes as well.
Let's just breathe...
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It's going to come down to battleground states and whether the country wants to try something new or stay on the same course. Another big thing to consider is that some leaners may tend to vote for McCain when all is said and done. There is a certain segment of people who do not like one party having total control of Congress and the White House which would be the case if Obama wins.
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