Home› A Moving Train

war

deadnotedeadnote Posts: 1,678
edited June 2007 in A Moving Train
is a god damned disgrace , you should be ashamed of being a part of it, im out!
set your laughter free

dreamer in my dream

we got the guns

i love you,but im..............callin out.........callin out
Post edited by Unknown User on
«1

Comments

  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    And suddenly there was war we didn't remember it
    A long time forgotten there suddenly was war
    And suddenly there was war our children are dead
    Burnt in the ruins that were left by war

    War

    And suddenly there was war and the mothers they screamed
    For revenge and reprisals for another war
    And suddenly and suddenly
    And suddenly there was war with spoiling and death
    And you fight alone if there's another war

    Whole Life Is War and whole life is pain
    And you will fight alone in your personal war

    War

    This is war

    War

    Wumpscut - War
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnotedeadnote Posts: 1,678
    sick
    set your laughter free

    dreamer in my dream

    we got the guns

    i love you,but im..............callin out.........callin out
  • mdigenakismdigenakis Posts: 1,337
    my taxes will continue to pay for the greed of a few and the death of many.
    "Don't let the darkness eat you up..."

    -Greg Dulli

  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    deadnote wrote:
    thats the consequences of your fucked up behavior
    you look in the mirror
    you take resposibility
    and you hit the road jack


    i know someday ill have a beautiful life
    but i wont be no star

    never.

    im running bitches

    i wanna be a flaming twinkle screaming down
    my shimmering beauty inside everyones darkness.

    i changed my signature just a few minutes ago.
    the picture this quote is on hangs above the fireplace.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Of war and peace the truth just twists
    Its curfew gull just glides...
    -Bob Dylan, Gates of Eden
    all posts by ©gue_barium are protected under US copyright law and are not to be reproduced, exchanged or sold
    except by express written permission of ©gue_barium, the author.
  • ArmsinaVArmsinaV Posts: 108
    War has its time and place, but this war certainly never did. An awful, misguided, war......
    2000: Lubbock; 2003: OKC, Dallas, San Antonio; 2006: Los Angeles II, San Diego; 2008: Atlanta (EV Solo); 2012: Dallas (EV Solo); 2013: Dallas; 2014: Tulsa; 2018: Wrigley I
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    icarus wrote:
    war is perfectly natural.

    When you break it down into individual human components, it has the characteristics of aggression (among other things), but war as we know it today, is a concerted effort by those who would prefer to tell us all what to think and do.
    all posts by ©gue_barium are protected under US copyright law and are not to be reproduced, exchanged or sold
    except by express written permission of ©gue_barium, the author.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    War is irrational. War is what happens when you fail to use intellect to solve problems.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    icarus wrote:
    hasn't it always been like that? how is that any different from any other time in history? and how does that make it unnatural?

    "History", to me, as you put it, isn't natural, so you'll have to find a better way to express your question.
    all posts by ©gue_barium are protected under US copyright law and are not to be reproduced, exchanged or sold
    except by express written permission of ©gue_barium, the author.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    icarus wrote:
    hasn't it always been like that? how is that any different from any other time in history? and how does that make it unnatural?

    People evolve past these methods...just as people have moved past many archaic methods of cavemen, slavery, racism, sexism in the past. These become outdated and less and less accepted. These old ways are replaced with more rational and mindful ways to co-exist. We're changing more and more every day. Embrace it. It's the future.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    icarus wrote:
    how is war irrational?

    If you resort to violence instead of intellectual reasoning to solve your problems in life then you're an irrational person.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    People evolve past these methods...just as people have moved past many archaic methods of cavemen, slavery, racism, sexism in the past. These become outdated and less and less accepted. These old ways are replaced with more rational and mindful ways to co-exist. We're changing more and more every day. Embrace it. It's the future.
    all that stuff sadly enough still goes this day in age. id say little girls in asia being used as sex slaves is archaic as it gets
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    "History", to me, as you put it, isn't natural, so you'll have to find a better way to express your question.

    A better way to put it would be,
    In your personal history, how has war come to play a part in your life?

    And, don't give me any shenanigans about past wars and the american way. I want to know how you've confronted war on a personal basis.

    For instance, I served in the Marine Corps as a young man, and that is probably as close to war as I'll (hopefully) ever get.... How close to war have you been, yourself?
    all posts by ©gue_barium are protected under US copyright law and are not to be reproduced, exchanged or sold
    except by express written permission of ©gue_barium, the author.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    all that stuff sadly enough still goes this day in age. id say little girls in asia being used as sex slaves is archaic as it gets

    Very true. But is it accepted? No, it's something that most of us all rail against...whereas it used to be accepted widely. That's evolution and it's spreading.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    icarus wrote:
    theres are plenty of circumstances in which violence or war is perfectly rational, such as in cases of survival or when intellectual reasoning cannot solve disputes. war is rational to actors in which the relative or absolute gains are larger than cooperation.

    Where, in your personal history have you confronted this scenario?
    all posts by ©gue_barium are protected under US copyright law and are not to be reproduced, exchanged or sold
    except by express written permission of ©gue_barium, the author.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Very true. But is it accepted? No, it's something that most of us all rail against...whereas it used to be accepted widely. That's evolution and it's spreading.
    yes id say its accepted in some parts.just like we've accpted being racist against muslims who wear turbans and have a beard, but thats cause of the brainwashing by the neo cons, u and i may not, but alot people do here in america
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • Alex_CoeAlex_Coe Posts: 762
    Usually, war sucks I admit.

    War isn't that bad... if you're not fighting in it. And if you manufacture military weapons, war is freaking awesome. If your name is "Bernie" etc war is a tragedy you can take to the bank.


    In conclusion, the Indians had a wide and various culture.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    icarus wrote:
    there are plenty of circumstances in which violence or war is perfectly rational, such as in cases of survival or when intellectual reasoning cannot solve disputes. war is rational to actors in which the relative or absolute gains are larger than cooperation.

    People have always found ways to rationalize things that are unacceptable nowadays. The indiscriminate killing of another people is something a large number of us are finding more and more unacceptable. It's growing everyday and one day will be a thing of the past...a rarity. If you disagree, that's fine but this is what I'm seeing.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    yes id say its accepted in some parts.just like we've accpted being racist against muslims who wear turbans and have a beard, but thats cause of the brainwashing by the neo cons, u and i may not, but alot people do here in america

    Yes, it is but it's getting better because it's getting more rare. The age of information can be a beautiful thing. People are joining together in awareness of these injustices and taking a stand.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yes, it is but it's getting better because it's getting more rare. The age of information can be a beautiful thing. People are joining together in awareness of these injustices and taking a stand.
    i agree but not enough is being done bout it, how often do u hear bout sex slaves on the news
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    icarus wrote:
    your outlook may be slightly utopian or idealistic, but i agree that that is the path that humanity, at least in the western world, is taking. will killing or warfare ever be completely eradicated? probably not. could killing and warfare become worse? possibly. it depends on what level we're discussing. on the level of the individual or on the level of the state. both are completely different circumstances.

    I don't think they are so different. After all, the state is composed of individuals.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    i agree but not enough is being done bout it, how often do u hear bout sex slaves on the news

    The point is you're hearing about it. That's a good thing. It's becoming an issue of great concern and people will work against it.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    icarus wrote:
    i think they are very different. the parts are always different from the whole. is a tire the same as a car? a state can exist as completely domestically safe with no murders or crime while still participating in international warfare. on the other hand, a state could be internationally peaceful, while having high levels of crime and murder.

    The state can not participate in warfare if the people in the state find it unacceptable.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    The point is you're hearing about it. That's a good thing. It's becoming an issue of great concern and people will work against it.
    i agree im hearing bout it, but other people arent and we as humans beings need to work at that,not saying u and i, i mean this world
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    icarus wrote:
    i thought we were discussing the theoretical phenomena of war. in my personal history i have never directly experienced warfare as experienced by states. i'm making theoretical assumptions.

    You're philosophizing war as just something humans seem to do: "history proves it."
    all posts by ©gue_barium are protected under US copyright law and are not to be reproduced, exchanged or sold
    except by express written permission of ©gue_barium, the author.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    gue_barium wrote:
    You're philosophizing war as just something humans seem to do: "history proves it."

    Exactly. The past dictates nothing. It is done, dead. There is only one instance and it is now.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    icarus wrote:
    there are plenty of cases in which a state could participate in warfare or any kind of foreign relation without the consent of the people. look at most dictatorships.

    so, what we're arguing is semantics?

    it's still against the will of the general populace
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    icarus wrote:
    there are plenty of cases in which a state could participate in warfare or any kind of foreign relation without the consent of the people. look at most dictatorships.

    and dictatorships are another thing that's seeing such a large decline. Individual will and human rights are on an upswing.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    icarus wrote:
    we're discussing whether war is rational or irrational, whether its with or against public opinion is a moot point.


    then i don't see how public opinion could possibly be a moot point, it has everything to do w/ it, in fact!

    not rational: as a (1) : not endowed with reason or understanding (2) : lacking usual or normal mental clarity or coherence b : not governed by or according to reason <irrational fears>

    if the general public is not supportive of (a) war/b] then engaging in such and continuing it, actually escalating it to a certain extent would be against reason

    the ppl engaging in the war are being irrationial, illogical, going against reason...maybe it is a dictator, then what you're arguing is a few ppl think it's rational, not the overall population
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    And about the point of being idealistic vs realistic. Realism is basing your views on the past and what you think it possible based on those events. Idealism is based on all possibilities being open and there for the taking. Idealism says I'm going to pick the best path possible because I believe in it not because the past has dictated it. The past is old news and we're supposed to learn from it, not continue to repeat it just because we have before. You learn from experience. You don't continue down the same path that has shown no signs of working, especially when it has used such irrational methods that have only hindered our development as a species not progressed it.

    Only a fool will continue to put his hand into the fire after he has been repeatedly burned. The more intelligent person learns quickly after the first time and moves on.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
Sign In or Register to comment.