Sorry, I'm not on board with 'growing up' and being part of keeping the same two party system trucking along. The same system that people have been unhappy with for as long as I can remember but continue to support because they are afraid to support anyone the media deems as 'unelectable'. The same system where yes, the candidates have very little difference, are all backed by corporate interests, and offer little more than hot air when it comes to really doing what's best for the american people. It makes no sense to me to vote for people who I view as part of the problem and I won't be a part of it anymore. I'm not following the flock and their bad choice this time and it's my right to disagree and stand up for my 'selfish' principles which oddly enough are mostly centered around altruistic ideals.
Go ahead and go out and cast your "see i'm a real rebel" ballot for Ralph fucking Nader or who ever the hell else. Its you're perogative and i respect it. i better not see you on here bitching when McCain takes office, though. i'll have to to call you on it.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
I think there are only two reasons you Americans have for voting, this year:
(a) To make sure Clinton doesn't get the Democratic nomination
and (b) To make sure McCain doesn't win.
Exercising a precious, principled vote is your right and constitutional privilege but it's also a bit selfish, and self-righteous to put your hallowed views above a sense of duty to others, who are backing the only realistic alternative (however similar to the bad guys you might see him). Don't vote for the person who best shares your opinions, the visionary in the wilderness. Vote for the person who will keep Clinton or McCain away from The White House. Obama mightn't be Che Guevara, but he's better than the alternatives.
It's time to grow up and join the movement, and leave people such as Nader to your days of over-worthy adolescence.
so, what you're saying is i have a 'duty' to vote for...who you and some others (including the corporate media) tell me i should vote for....??? are you gonna tell me it's my 'duty' to vote for a particular person for governor? man, maybe they should just let you guys pick the next american idol??
the thing of it is i don't really see much of a difference between obama and clinotn (in fact i prefer her universal plan to obama's 'more affordable' plan) or even mccain at points
but hey, he's a great speaker, right? and you guys tell me i have to vote for him or i'm some impetuant child...am i getting it right? if anything is self-righteous it's that view
w/ all do respect imagine me bending over and pulling down my pants, now pucker up
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Go ahead and go out and cast your "see i'm a real rebel" ballot for Ralph fucking Nader or who ever the hell else. Its you're perogative and i respect it. i better not see you on here bitching when McCain takes office, though. i'll have to to call you on it.
it's a sad day to see ppl trying to bully the other into voting how they want them to....
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Go ahead and go out and cast your "see i'm a real rebel" ballot for Ralph fucking Nader or who ever the hell else. Its you're perogative and i respect it. i better not see you on here bitching when McCain takes office, though. i'll have to to call you on it.
Why? I won't be voting for McCain.
And for the record, it has shit to do with being a rebel. I'm all getting behind a movement that's worthy.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
it's a sad day to see ppl trying to bully the other into voting how they want them to....
Bully? Are you shitting me? i just said i don't care who you, abook, or anyone else votes for. by all means, vote for whoever you want. By all means, show the world how cool you are by voting for the guy that only nine other people voted for.
Bully. Sheesh.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Bully? Are you shitting me? i just said i don't care who you, abook, or anyone else votes for. by all means, vote for whoever you want. By all means, show the world how cool you are by voting for the guy that only nine other people voted for.
Bully. Sheesh.
yes, the way you are so dismissive of others points of view is a bullying tactic. you are trying to delegitimize it by saying it's only a 'hey look at me, i'm a rebel!!!' vote or to 'show the world how cool you are by voting for the guy that only nine other people voted for.'
and you'd have to 'call us on it'...call us on what?? that we voted for who we wanted to vote for? that we voted for who best represented our stances? that has nothing to do w/ being 'cool'...now go vote for who the corporate media told you is the only realistic candidate and show the world how much of a follower you are, by all means. can you tell me why i should vote for him? other than your fear of "that bitch". clinton or mccain winning?
you are too aggressive
if only 9 other vote for someone else that's pretty shitty that obama couldn't win by more than 8 votes, i'd say losing by such a small margin doesn't make him very 'realistic' to me!!!
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i might also add, that by voting for a waste of political space like ralph nader, Yes, Abook, you ARE voting for McCain.
so you are against possibly taking a vote away from obama but you'd be happy if i took it away from mccain...stop trying to impose your vote on everyone else. i'm not voting for nader and i'm not voting for obama or clinton or mccain, so i'm taking a vote away from all of them, oh well, sorry you guys dislike MY choice to vote as i see fit, hopefully you'll find your way into getting over it someday
and to say if mccain wins it's our fault is absurd. unless the whole presidency comes down to 1 or 2 votes in South Carolina you are full of it
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
why do i have a duty to vote for who you want me to? if i don't see the change you see in him why am i still obligated and duty stricken?? b/c it's what YOU want? get over yourselves, seriously
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i always thought i should vote for the person i think can do the best job according to my ideals.....now i have to vote for someone so someone else doesn't get elected?
yes, the way you are so dismissive of others points of view is a bullying tactic. you are trying to delegitimize it by saying it's only a 'hey look at me, i'm a rebel!!!' vote or to 'show the world how cool you are by voting for the guy that only nine other people voted for.'
and you'd have to 'call us on it'...call us on what?? that we voted for who we wanted to vote for? that we voted for who best represented our stances? that has nothing to do w/ being 'cool'...now go vote for who the corporate media told you is the only realistic candidate and show the world how much of a follower you are, by all means. can you tell me why i should vote for him? other than your fear of "that bitch". clinton or mccain winning?
you are too aggressive
if only 9 other vote for someone else that's pretty shitty that obama couldn't win by more than 8 votes, i'd say losing by such a small margin doesn't make him very 'realistic' to me!!!
Whatever, dude.
:rolleyes:
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
why do i have a duty to vote for who you want me to? if i don't see the change you see in him why am i still obligated and duty stricken?? b/c it's what YOU want? get over yourselves, seriously
Dude, when did i say to vote for who i want you to?! i specifically said, and then repeated, that i respect your right to vote for who YOU want to!
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
i always thought i should vote for the person i think can do the best job according to my ideals.....now i have to vote for someone so someone else doesn't get elected?
Seriously.
At least when I was encouraging people to support Dennis I could come up with a better line than 'do it because he's not these other two very similiar people.'
I guess I should vote for Obama because everyone thinks he's so great. Why bother even reading or making yourself aware? I'll just follow the masses because they know what's best. I mean shit, the tv is right there telling them every night what a great idea this is. I've finally seen the light! :rolleyes:
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Bully? Are you shitting me? i just said i don't care who you, abook, or anyone else votes for. by all means, vote for whoever you want. By all means, show the world how cool you are by voting for the guy that only nine other people voted for.
Bully. Sheesh.
You need to stop assuming you know what other people's motivations and intentions are when you have no way of knowing and it weakens your points. It would serve you well to focus on what your point is and try stating it with a level head instead trying to discredit our opinions as efforts to be 'cool' or 'rebellous'. It's not like I'm bring up your temper fits or asking you if Jesus told you to vote for Obama. You know shit about my motivations so quit trying to look into your crystal ball and focus on what you do know.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You need to stop assuming you know what other people's motivations and intentions are when you have no way of knowing and it weakens your points. It would serve you well to focus on what your point is and try stating it with a level head instead trying to discredit our opinions as efforts to be 'cool' or 'rebellous'. It's not like I'm bring up your temper fits or asking you if Jesus told you to vote for Obama. You know shit about my motivations so quit trying to look into your crystal ball and focus on what you do know.
So now its a Jesus thing? Please. i should have known you would say something like that. i purposefully stay away from discussions about faith these days. i knew i could count on you to play that card though. Thanks for not leting me down. By the way, when are you and Kabong getting that conjoined twins separation surgery?
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Dude, when did i say to vote for who i want you to?! i specifically said, and then repeated, that i respect your right to vote for who YOU want to!
then what did you mean by "i better not see you on here bitching about mccain if he takes office or i'll call you on it!'???
if you don't care why would you call us on mccain winning? and that is a scare tactic in itself b/c i highly doubt th election will be decided by 2 votes in SC, and if so i'd have to say your obama wasn't as realistic as the media told you he was, eh?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
So now its a Jesus thing? Please. i should have known you would say something like that. i purposefully stay away from discussions about faith these days. i knew i could count on you to play that card though. Thanks for not leting me down. By the way, when are you and Kabong getting that conjoined twins separation surgery?
I'm sorry, you must have misread. I said 'it's not like I'm asking you if Jesus told you to vote for Obama.' It's called being sarcastic. Obviously, I don't really believe that. It was an effort to prove neither of us know the other's motivation.
Oh and real cute about the twins thing...a bit tired like '04/'05 material but nothing wrong with pulling out in the classics in moments of desperation.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Oh and real cute about the twins thing...a bit tired like '04/'05 material but nothing wrong with pulling out in the classics in moments of desperation.
Not desperate. Actually, if you were thinking about it, i urge you to reconsider. Its a pretty risky procedure when the twins are conjoined at the skull and share a brain.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
i always thought i should vote for the person i think can do the best job according to my ideals.....now i have to vote for someone so someone else doesn't get elected?
Not desperate. Actually, if you were thinking about it, i urge you to reconsider. Its a pretty risky procedure when the twins are conjoined at the skull and share a brain.
Oh how easy our relationship would be if that were the case! We're quite different philosophically. But think whatever you want, dude. It's much easier than having a rational discussion based on the issues. What's really important, afterall, is how cool of a badass rebel I am and that YOU get that about me!
Check me out!
___________
Nader!
Hell Yeah!!
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l
:cool:
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Ralph Nader Enters Presidential Race
By HOPE YEN,AP
Posted: 2008-02-24 11:48:06
Filed Under: Elections News, Nation News
WASHINGTON (Feb. 24) - Ralph Nader said Sunday he will run for president as a third-party candidate, criticizing the top White House contenders as too close to big business and pledging to repeat a bid that will "shift the power from the few to the many."
Nader, 73, said most people are disenchanted with the Democratic and Republican parties due to a prolonged Iraq war and a shaky economy. The consumer advocate also blamed tax and other corporate-friendly policies under the Bush administration that he said have left many lower- and middle-class people in debt.
"You take that framework of people feeling locked out, shut out, marginalized and disrespected," he said. "You go from Iraq, to Palestine to Israel, from Enron to Wall Street, from Katrina to the bumbling of the Bush administration, to the complicity of the Democrats in not stopping him on the war, stopping him on the tax cuts."
Everyone is born, but not everyone is born the same. Some will grow to be butchers, or bakers, or candlestick makers. Some will only be really good at making Jell-O salad. One way or another, though, every human being is unique, for better or for worse.
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Go ahead and go out and cast your "see i'm a real rebel" ballot for Ralph fucking Nader or who ever the hell else. Its you're perogative and i respect it. i better not see you on here bitching when McCain takes office, though. i'll have to to call you on it.
so, what you're saying is i have a 'duty' to vote for...who you and some others (including the corporate media) tell me i should vote for....??? are you gonna tell me it's my 'duty' to vote for a particular person for governor? man, maybe they should just let you guys pick the next american idol??
the thing of it is i don't really see much of a difference between obama and clinotn (in fact i prefer her universal plan to obama's 'more affordable' plan) or even mccain at points
but hey, he's a great speaker, right? and you guys tell me i have to vote for him or i'm some impetuant child...am i getting it right? if anything is self-righteous it's that view
w/ all do respect imagine me bending over and pulling down my pants, now pucker up
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
it's a sad day to see ppl trying to bully the other into voting how they want them to....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Why? I won't be voting for McCain.
And for the record, it has shit to do with being a rebel. I'm all getting behind a movement that's worthy.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Bully? Are you shitting me? i just said i don't care who you, abook, or anyone else votes for. by all means, vote for whoever you want. By all means, show the world how cool you are by voting for the guy that only nine other people voted for.
Bully. Sheesh.
Uh huh. O.k.
:rolleyes:
i might also add, that by voting for a waste of political space like ralph nader, Yes, Abook, you ARE voting for McCain.
yes, the way you are so dismissive of others points of view is a bullying tactic. you are trying to delegitimize it by saying it's only a 'hey look at me, i'm a rebel!!!' vote or to 'show the world how cool you are by voting for the guy that only nine other people voted for.'
and you'd have to 'call us on it'...call us on what?? that we voted for who we wanted to vote for? that we voted for who best represented our stances? that has nothing to do w/ being 'cool'...now go vote for who the corporate media told you is the only realistic candidate and show the world how much of a follower you are, by all means. can you tell me why i should vote for him? other than your fear of "that bitch". clinton or mccain winning?
you are too aggressive
if only 9 other vote for someone else that's pretty shitty that obama couldn't win by more than 8 votes, i'd say losing by such a small margin doesn't make him very 'realistic' to me!!!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
so you are against possibly taking a vote away from obama but you'd be happy if i took it away from mccain...stop trying to impose your vote on everyone else. i'm not voting for nader and i'm not voting for obama or clinton or mccain, so i'm taking a vote away from all of them, oh well, sorry you guys dislike MY choice to vote as i see fit, hopefully you'll find your way into getting over it someday
and to say if mccain wins it's our fault is absurd. unless the whole presidency comes down to 1 or 2 votes in South Carolina you are full of it
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Whatever, dude.
:rolleyes:
Dude, when did i say to vote for who i want you to?! i specifically said, and then repeated, that i respect your right to vote for who YOU want to!
Seriously.
At least when I was encouraging people to support Dennis I could come up with a better line than 'do it because he's not these other two very similiar people.'
I guess I should vote for Obama because everyone thinks he's so great. Why bother even reading or making yourself aware? I'll just follow the masses because they know what's best. I mean shit, the tv is right there telling them every night what a great idea this is. I've finally seen the light! :rolleyes:
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You need to stop assuming you know what other people's motivations and intentions are when you have no way of knowing and it weakens your points. It would serve you well to focus on what your point is and try stating it with a level head instead trying to discredit our opinions as efforts to be 'cool' or 'rebellous'. It's not like I'm bring up your temper fits or asking you if Jesus told you to vote for Obama. You know shit about my motivations so quit trying to look into your crystal ball and focus on what you do know.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So now its a Jesus thing? Please. i should have known you would say something like that. i purposefully stay away from discussions about faith these days. i knew i could count on you to play that card though. Thanks for not leting me down. By the way, when are you and Kabong getting that conjoined twins separation surgery?
then what did you mean by "i better not see you on here bitching about mccain if he takes office or i'll call you on it!'???
if you don't care why would you call us on mccain winning? and that is a scare tactic in itself b/c i highly doubt th election will be decided by 2 votes in SC, and if so i'd have to say your obama wasn't as realistic as the media told you he was, eh?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I'm sorry, you must have misread. I said 'it's not like I'm asking you if Jesus told you to vote for Obama.' It's called being sarcastic. Obviously, I don't really believe that. It was an effort to prove neither of us know the other's motivation.
Oh and real cute about the twins thing...a bit tired like '04/'05 material but nothing wrong with pulling out in the classics in moments of desperation.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Not desperate. Actually, if you were thinking about it, i urge you to reconsider. Its a pretty risky procedure when the twins are conjoined at the skull and share a brain.
That's how it works.
Oh how easy our relationship would be if that were the case! We're quite different philosophically. But think whatever you want, dude. It's much easier than having a rational discussion based on the issues. What's really important, afterall, is how cool of a badass rebel I am and that YOU get that about me!
___________
Nader!
Hell Yeah!!
____________
l
l
:cool:
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
By HOPE YEN,AP
Posted: 2008-02-24 11:48:06
Filed Under: Elections News, Nation News
WASHINGTON (Feb. 24) - Ralph Nader said Sunday he will run for president as a third-party candidate, criticizing the top White House contenders as too close to big business and pledging to repeat a bid that will "shift the power from the few to the many."
Nader, 73, said most people are disenchanted with the Democratic and Republican parties due to a prolonged Iraq war and a shaky economy. The consumer advocate also blamed tax and other corporate-friendly policies under the Bush administration that he said have left many lower- and middle-class people in debt.
"You take that framework of people feeling locked out, shut out, marginalized and disrespected," he said. "You go from Iraq, to Palestine to Israel, from Enron to Wall Street, from Katrina to the bumbling of the Bush administration, to the complicity of the Democrats in not stopping him on the war, stopping him on the tax cuts."
I stole that from Bill Maher.