I lost A LOT of respect for him after sucking up to Bush and Rove after they screwed him in 2000, but as a person, I like him.
An Obama/McCain election could bring some civility back to politics.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I'm stuck b/c I like him over Clinton and Obama, but I DO NOT like the fact hat wants to give amnesty to Illegals in the country. That is a big issue with me. They break the law to ge here and we reward them with a huge gift.
Thats not right.
I need to look at Nader b/c as of now I don't have a dog in the hunt which sucks.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
WOW, i am so inpressed with people here. i have always said that i like McCain and i would vote for him if i was not from Canada. I always find it funny that people keep saying that he is a McBush when in alot of issues he has not agreed with bush infact he has only agree with him abotu the war and i think for different reason.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
I'm stuck b/c I like him over Clinton and Obama, but I DO NOT like the fact hat wants to give amnesty to Illegals in the country. That is a big issue with me. They break the law to ge here and we reward them with a huge gift.
Thats not right.
I need to look at Nader b/c as of now I don't have a dog in the hunt which sucks.
youre damn right!
Nader isn't turning away immigrants either.
I wish the law was that... you can turn away an immigrant..except you have to leave with them.
So your saying that we should allow anybody and everybody to come and go as they please in our country?
Thats just stupid. Your asking for trouble.
i think what h eis saying is that everyone in teh US is an immigrant and therefore we should leave with the people who we don't allow into the country.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
i think what h eis saying is that everyone in teh US is an immigrant and therefore we should leave with the people who we don't allow into the country.
People always bring up the fact that we are all immigrants. Well that was true many years ago. But now, there are many many generations that are born in America, so now they are true americans. I am grateful that my family came here to be free. But its a whole new situation now. The world is different, and the old ways no longer apply. Accept the change brotha.
America has gotta be more secure if we want to live the way we do.
End of story.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
People always bring up the fact that we are all immigrants. Well that was true many years ago. But now, there are many many generations that are born in America, so now they are true americans. I am grateful that my family came here to be free. But its a whole new situation now. The world is different, and the old ways no longer apply. Accept the change brotha.
America has gotta be more secure if we want to live the way we do.
End of story.
if you think about it, North America (thats means Canada too) stole the land and hence it does not matter how many generations were born here as it still is stolen land and hence we are all illigral immigrants.
put it this way, if i stole your house and then my kids were born and were also living in that house are they entitled to that house because they have been there for generation? i think not
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
If McCain wasn't for Iraqi occupation, I would consider voting for him. I like him as a person. I don't agree with some of his views, but he is a respectable guy.
if you think about it, North America (thats means Canada too) stole the land and hence it does not matter how many generations were born here as it still is stolen land and hence we are all illigral immigrants.
put it this way, if i stole your house and then my kids were born and were also living in that house are they entitled to that house because they have been there for generation? i think not
Come on man.....
If the half empty life boats came back to rescue all the people in the ocean right after the Titanic sank, what do ya think would happen to those boats?
They would sink. There would be now way of systematically deciding who gets on and who does not. It would be chaos. Utter chaos.
Their comes a time when you have to close the doors.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
McCain will fire up the guns and explode into space...
I'm sure he'll put a few new coats of paint on the patriot act, and increase domestic spying as well.
Bank on it.
He'll go fight those terrorists just like the good old days trying to wipe out the commies....because that all worked out so well.
One nation divided under god...Bankrupt.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
If the half empty life boats came back to rescue all the people in the ocean right after the Titanic sank, what do ya think would happen to those boats?
They would sink. There would be now way of systematically deciding who gets on and who does not. It would be chaos. Utter chaos.
Their comes a time when you have to close the doors.
I can't believe this...
Put yourself in their shoes...You couldn't just forget about the mistreatment of your people for hundreds of years by people (including their descendants) who took land belonging to you, raped your culture, and tried to completely assimilate you into American society without even an inch of respect for your heritage. Native Americans weren't even allowed to practice their religions legally until the government passed the American Indian Religious Freedom Act in 1978. Also, did you know that the average family income on the Pine Ridge Lakota Reservation is about $3,000?
I liked McCain's environmental record, quite a bit. I like Obama too though. I have to say as someone registered as "not enrolled" it could be an interesting decision for me.
Put yourself in their shoes...You couldn't just forget about the mistreatment of your people for hundreds of years by people (including their descendants) who took land belonging to you, raped your culture, and tried to completely assimilate you into American society without even an inch of respect for your heritage. Native Americans weren't even allowed to practice their religions legally until the government passed the American Indian Religious Freedom Act in 1978. Also, did you know that the average family income on the Pine Ridge Lakota Reservation is about $3,000?
closing the doors?...Come on now...
So are you really advocating that anyone who shows up at our borders should be allowed to come on in, documented or no?
That's just fucking lunacy.
Look, it sucks the way we (our descendants) obtained this land 300 years ago. It's not something to be proud of. But now what are we going to do?
If we made sure all border control agents were full blooded Native Americans, would that make you feel better about us having, you know, some standards?
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
If McCain wasn't for Iraqi occupation, I would consider voting for him. I like him as a person. I don't agree with some of his views, but he is a respectable guy.
I find it close to impossible to agree with any candidate on EVERY issue. what it comes down to for me is the overall picture.
I find it close to impossible to agree with any candidate on EVERY issue. what it comes down to for me is the overall picture.
My advice (not that is solicited) is to decide what are the absolute 2 or 3 top issues to you, and find the guy or gal that most closely aligns with you on those issues.
For instance, if you are staunchly anti-Iraq war, McCain wouldn't be your guy, even if you agreed with him on every other minor issue.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
If the half empty life boats came back to rescue all the people in the ocean right after the Titanic sank, what do ya think would happen to those boats?
They would sink. There would be now way of systematically deciding who gets on and who does not. It would be chaos. Utter chaos.
Their comes a time when you have to close the doors.
this has nothing to do with what i said.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
McCain will fire up the guns and explode into space...
I'm sure he'll put a few new coats of paint on the patriot act, and increase domestic spying as well.
Bank on it.
He'll go fight those terrorists just like the good old days trying to wipe out the commies....because that all worked out so well.
One nation divided under god...Bankrupt.
also< mccain will eat your first child, rape you, and then kill you. of course, i have no proof about this but Roland has thought me that i don't need proof about anything
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
So are you really advocating that anyone who shows up at our borders should be allowed to come on in, documented or no?
That's just fucking lunacy.
Look, it sucks the way we (our descendants) obtained this land 300 years ago. It's not something to be proud of. But now what are we going to do?
If we made sure all border control agents were full blooded Native Americans, would that make you feel better about us having, you know, some standards?
we could go back to where our families came from. i would be happy having native be border agents so that they can get everyone who is not native and hence illigal out of teh country. are you in?
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
If McCain wasn't for Iraqi occupation, I would consider voting for him. I like him as a person. I don't agree with some of his views, but he is a respectable guy.
not surprised that a McCain thread became an illegal immigration thread...
anyway, i'll throw my two cents in...
the fact is illegal immigrants are here because the whole of American society wants them here. they work harder (because they have more to lose), and they don't have to be paid benefits. there isn't a single American who doesn't benefit in some way from the exploitation of illegal immigrants. the economy would collapse if we tried to kick them all out. The United States of America came to be because of uninvited invaders. but the invaders from the southern border were invited - by our business class, and it began to pay off for the general public, although many native-born workers lost their jobs. but it's only recently that we have begun to say as a country that we don't want to invite anymore.
I personally think we should grant FULL amnesty and FULL documentation to all of the migrants that we have invited thru our back door. but at some point, you begin to have a serious breakdown of civil society when there is too much unorganized immigration. i'm sure we already have that in many parts of the country, especially in the southwest. i have to admit, illegal immigration hadn't had much of noticeable effect when i live in eastern massachusetts. but throughout the country, we need to move forward humanely and responsibly.
also< mccain will eat your first child, rape you, and then kill you. of course, i have no proof about this but Roland has thought me that i don't need proof about anything
If you're a Muslim and you protest he most certainly will murder you and your children (and relatives), and definitely a rape here and there... Not personally though....he'll order troops take care of all that US patriotic goodness..
Going on just the actual words coming out of his mouth. i.e. his own words coming out of his own mouth in case you missed it...
"plan on hundreds of years of war if necessary". You know what war is right, and what happens during times of war?
nuff said...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
we could go back to where our families came from. i would be happy having native be border agents so that they can get everyone who is not native and hence illigal out of teh country. are you in?
Actually....everybody who ever lived on this continent is or is descended from an immigrant. Humans did not evolve on this continent......the first humans on this continent came from Asia roughly 10,000 years ago....and then preceded to kill nearly all of the mega fauna present at the time.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
not surprised that a McCain thread became an illegal immigration thread...
anyway, i'll throw my two cents in...
the fact is illegal immigrants are here because the whole of American society wants them here. they work harder (because they have more to lose), and they don't have to be paid benefits. there isn't a single American who doesn't benefit in some way from the exploitation of illegal immigrants. the economy would collapse if we tried to kick them all out. The United States of America came to be because of uninvited invaders. but the invaders from the southern border were invited - by our business class, and it began to pay off for the general public, although many native-born workers lost their jobs. but it's only recently that we have begun to say as a country that we don't want to invite anymore.
I personally think we should grant FULL amnesty and FULL documentation to all of the migrants that we have invited thru our back door. but at some point, you begin to have a serious breakdown of civil society when there is too much unorganized immigration. i'm sure we already have that in many parts of the country, especially in the southwest. i have to admit, illegal immigration hadn't had much of noticeable effect when i live in eastern massachusetts. but throughout the country, we need to move forward humanely and responsibly.
well put. I used to work with these dudes from el slavador, they put in as many hours as they could at minimum wage, which is shit. They did a lot for the company. and that's pretty common.
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I lost A LOT of respect for him after sucking up to Bush and Rove after they screwed him in 2000, but as a person, I like him.
An Obama/McCain election could bring some civility back to politics.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I hear ya, at least McCain is not even as bad as Mitt and some of those other Bozo's...
Thats not right.
I need to look at Nader b/c as of now I don't have a dog in the hunt which sucks.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
You vote for Bush.. 2 times..
you create wonderfull music like Pearl Jam
And now I read that McCain is leading the race ...
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
Yea but you LOVE US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zQX2T8ZGAw
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
going on damage control is being a class act?
You know you are talking about a republican when you make a big deal about doing the right thing.
youre damn right!
Nader isn't turning away immigrants either.
I wish the law was that... you can turn away an immigrant..except you have to leave with them.
So your saying that we should allow anybody and everybody to come and go as they please in our country?
Thats just stupid. Your asking for trouble.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
i think what h eis saying is that everyone in teh US is an immigrant and therefore we should leave with the people who we don't allow into the country.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
America has gotta be more secure if we want to live the way we do.
End of story.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
if you think about it, North America (thats means Canada too) stole the land and hence it does not matter how many generations were born here as it still is stolen land and hence we are all illigral immigrants.
put it this way, if i stole your house and then my kids were born and were also living in that house are they entitled to that house because they have been there for generation? i think not
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
Come on man.....
If the half empty life boats came back to rescue all the people in the ocean right after the Titanic sank, what do ya think would happen to those boats?
They would sink. There would be now way of systematically deciding who gets on and who does not. It would be chaos. Utter chaos.
Their comes a time when you have to close the doors.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I'm sure he'll put a few new coats of paint on the patriot act, and increase domestic spying as well.
Bank on it.
He'll go fight those terrorists just like the good old days trying to wipe out the commies....because that all worked out so well.
One nation divided under god...Bankrupt.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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(")_(")
I can't believe this...
Put yourself in their shoes...You couldn't just forget about the mistreatment of your people for hundreds of years by people (including their descendants) who took land belonging to you, raped your culture, and tried to completely assimilate you into American society without even an inch of respect for your heritage. Native Americans weren't even allowed to practice their religions legally until the government passed the American Indian Religious Freedom Act in 1978. Also, did you know that the average family income on the Pine Ridge Lakota Reservation is about $3,000?
closing the doors?...Come on now...
So are you really advocating that anyone who shows up at our borders should be allowed to come on in, documented or no?
That's just fucking lunacy.
Look, it sucks the way we (our descendants) obtained this land 300 years ago. It's not something to be proud of. But now what are we going to do?
If we made sure all border control agents were full blooded Native Americans, would that make you feel better about us having, you know, some standards?
for the least they could possibly do
I find it close to impossible to agree with any candidate on EVERY issue. what it comes down to for me is the overall picture.
My advice (not that is solicited) is to decide what are the absolute 2 or 3 top issues to you, and find the guy or gal that most closely aligns with you on those issues.
For instance, if you are staunchly anti-Iraq war, McCain wouldn't be your guy, even if you agreed with him on every other minor issue.
for the least they could possibly do
this has nothing to do with what i said.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
also< mccain will eat your first child, rape you, and then kill you. of course, i have no proof about this but Roland has thought me that i don't need proof about anything
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
we could go back to where our families came from. i would be happy having native be border agents so that they can get everyone who is not native and hence illigal out of teh country. are you in?
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
LikeanOcean be droppin science YO!
anyway, i'll throw my two cents in...
the fact is illegal immigrants are here because the whole of American society wants them here. they work harder (because they have more to lose), and they don't have to be paid benefits. there isn't a single American who doesn't benefit in some way from the exploitation of illegal immigrants. the economy would collapse if we tried to kick them all out. The United States of America came to be because of uninvited invaders. but the invaders from the southern border were invited - by our business class, and it began to pay off for the general public, although many native-born workers lost their jobs. but it's only recently that we have begun to say as a country that we don't want to invite anymore.
I personally think we should grant FULL amnesty and FULL documentation to all of the migrants that we have invited thru our back door. but at some point, you begin to have a serious breakdown of civil society when there is too much unorganized immigration. i'm sure we already have that in many parts of the country, especially in the southwest. i have to admit, illegal immigration hadn't had much of noticeable effect when i live in eastern massachusetts. but throughout the country, we need to move forward humanely and responsibly.
If you're a Muslim and you protest he most certainly will murder you and your children (and relatives), and definitely a rape here and there... Not personally though....he'll order troops take care of all that US patriotic goodness..
Going on just the actual words coming out of his mouth. i.e. his own words coming out of his own mouth in case you missed it...
"plan on hundreds of years of war if necessary". You know what war is right, and what happens during times of war?
nuff said...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
well put. I used to work with these dudes from el slavador, they put in as many hours as they could at minimum wage, which is shit. They did a lot for the company. and that's pretty common.