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Obama actually listens to this racist guy?

SpinbrettSpinbrett Posts: 251
edited March 2008 in A Moving Train
Obama listens to this guy. He blames rich white men for all the worlds problems. Did he forget that Obama is half white and was raised by whites? I guess if you are even 25% black, that makes you black. He even says Jesus was a poor black man and other anti white stuff. The worst thing is Obama listens to this fool for spiritual guidance. What a quack!
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  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    old news.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    If the idea of Jesus being a poor black man is considered "anti-white", then is the idea of Jesus being a poor white man considered anti-black?
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Obama who?
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Pretty sure Jesus isn't black or white. He'd be a middle eastern man with a beard...just the type we don't allow to fly on our airplanes.

    Let's not forget that the "H." in "Jesus H. Christ" means Hussein.
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  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Pretty sure Jesus isn't black or white. He'd be a middle eastern man with a beard...just the type we don't allow to fly on our airplanes.

    Let's not forget that the "H." in "Jesus H. Christ" means Hussein.

    I see you are an Obama supporter. I like obama too but doesn't this bother you at all that he was a member of this church for 20 years? wright says alot of hateful things. obama is asking for my vote, why should I give it to him when he embraced this type of hate speech for so long? (lets keep this civil if we can, I am not for or against obama, just looking for discussion)
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    I see you are an Obama supporter. I like obama too but doesn't this bother you at all that he was a member of this church for 20 years? wright says alot of hateful things. obama is asking for my vote, why should I give it to him when he embraced this type of hate speech for so long? (lets keep this civil if we can, I am not for or against obama, just looking for discussion)

    I've been a member of a very conservative Lutheran church my whole life. My pastor has gone on rants about abortion, gay rights, and many other things I don't agree with.

    Does this mean that I am embracing one man's opinion because I have a personal history at my church? No. I'm respecting my family's history and beliefs. I go to church there because it's where my niece and nephew were baptized, and it's nice to go as a family.
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Pretty sure Jesus isn't black or white. He'd be a middle eastern man with a beard...just the type we don't allow to fly on our airplanes.

    Let's not forget that the "H." in "Jesus H. Christ" means Hussein.

    Damn, I thought it meant Hilliary according to Carville.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    I see you are an Obama supporter. I like obama too but doesn't this bother you at all that he was a member of this church for 20 years? wright says alot of hateful things. obama is asking for my vote, why should I give it to him when he embraced this type of hate speech for so long? (lets keep this civil if we can, I am not for or against obama, just looking for discussion)

    i'm not being disrespectful with this, just suggesting that if you're really looking for discussion, try one of the other 83 threads on the topic.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    cornnifer wrote:
    i'm not being disrespectful with this, just suggesting that if you're really looking for discussion, try one of the other 83 threads on the topic.

    sorry I'm new around here. this thread was created on the topic, so if anyone would like to discuss that would be great.
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I've been a member of a very conservative Lutheran church my whole life. My pastor has gone on rants about abortion, gay rights, and many other things I don't agree with.

    Does this mean that I am embracing one man's opinion because I have a personal history at my church? No. I'm respecting my family's history and beliefs. I go to church there because it's where my niece and nephew were baptized, and it's nice to go as a family.

    This is the problem with this dialogue. Its really hard to reason this way with people who, by exercise of their perfectly respectable choice, havn't attended ANY church, perhaps ever. They have no point of reference. They just don't understand what church is and what it isn't. Add on top of that an even lesser understanding of the Black church, and it becomes an impossible dialogue.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    sorry I'm new around here. this thread was created on the topic, so if anyone would like to discuss that would be great.
    Thats cool. i'm not busting your chops or anything. iIts just that his is a very redundant and, in fact, very "old news" kind of thread. The OP must have just woken up from a Rip Van Winkle type slumber.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I've been a member of a very conservative Lutheran church my whole life. My pastor has gone on rants about abortion, gay rights, and many other things I don't agree with.

    Does this mean that I am embracing one man's opinion because I have a personal history at my church? No. I'm respecting my family's history and beliefs. I go to church there because it's where my niece and nephew were baptized, and it's nice to go as a family.

    thats all fine and good but you aren't running for president. and wright clearly says anti-american things and hate speech that further divides whites/blacks. I would expect someone who is running for president to distance himself from this or in the least call him out for being wrong. obama didnt do that until he had to. he stayed there for 20 years. thats a long time.
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    I see you are an Obama supporter. I like obama too but doesn't this bother you at all that he was a member of this church for 20 years? wright says alot of hateful things. obama is asking for my vote, why should I give it to him when he embraced this type of hate speech for so long? (lets keep this civil if we can, I am not for or against obama, just looking for discussion)
    Rev. Wright sells his sermons on DVD. So far there are only a few clips floating around the internet and in the news - meaning that, logically, they are the worst of what he's said. While inflammatory, they are far from the most hateful things I've ever heard coming from a church, and certainly don't constitute 20 years' worth of material.

    Personally, I'd like a president that doesn't belong to any church, but whaddya gonna do?
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    cornnifer wrote:
    Thats cool. i'm not busting your chops or anything. iIts just that his is a very redundant and, in fact, very "old news" kind of thread. The OP must have just woken up from a Rip Van Winkle type slumber.

    I agree this isnt breaking news but it still needs to be discussed. obama is asking people to vote for him for president. this type of thing shouldn't be ignored. as an obama supporter, as I assume you are, I can see why you want this story to go away and be placed as yesterdays news.
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    thats all fine and good but you aren't running for president. and wright clearly says anti-american things and hate speech that further divides whites/blacks. I would expect someone who is running for president to distance himself from this or in the least call him out for being wrong. obama didnt do that until he had to. he stayed there for 20 years. thats a long time.

    Now i'm going to suggest taking a look at these sermons in their entirety. Won't take much searching. Place the quotes in context. After that, take a look at what some others, including many white folks, who actually know the guy have said in reference to reverend Wright and this particular church. Finally i suggest recognizing hannity for the idiot that he really is.

    The fact of the matter is Obama DID "call him out for being wrong". Another fact of the mattrer is that if you OBJECTIVELY follow the steps i've outlined for you above, you'll see that nothing the reverend said was truly racist, hateful, or even anti-American.

    Time to move on.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    cornnifer wrote:
    Now i'm going to suggest taking a look at these sermons in their entirety. Won't take much searching. Place the quotes in context. After that, take a look at what some others, including many white folks, who actually know the guy have said in reference to reverend Wright and this particular church. Finally i suggest recognizing hannity for the idiot that he really is.

    The fact of the matter is Obama DID "call him out for being wrong". Another fact of the mattrer is that if you OBJECTIVELY follow the steps i've outlined for you above, you'll see that nothing the reverend said was truly racist, hateful, or even anti-American.

    Time to move on.

    well I disagree. I find them very racist, hateful, and anti american. even in the crrect context of his speech. I have no issue with that. this is america and he can say whatever he wants. the issue I have is that obama choose to embrace that type of rhetoric for a very long time and is now asking me to vote for him for the highest office in the land. not so fast..
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    I agree this isnt breaking news but it still needs to be discussed. obama is asking people to vote for him for president. this type of thing shouldn't be ignored. as an obama supporter, as I assume you are, I can see why you want this story to go away and be placed as yesterdays news.

    It HAS been discussed, ad nauseum, here and throughout the country in every outlet imagineable. Its done. It's pretty much been milked for all its worth (which is very little). i can see as someone who does not support Obama, as i assume you do not, why you would want to continue on with this played out line of distraction and slander against the man for the next 9 months or so. Its time to move on, however.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    cornnifer wrote:
    It HAS been discussed, ad nauseum, here and throughout the country in every outlet imagineable. Its done. It's pretty much been milked for all its worth (which is very little). i can see as someone who does not support Obama, as i assume you do not, why you would want to continue on with this played out line of distraction and slander against the man for the next 9 months or so. Its time to move on, however.

    I havent decided who I'm voting for yet. I was leaning towards obama until this broke. this is really hurting him among independents.
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    well I disagree. I find them very racist, hateful, and anti american. even in the crrect context of his speech. I have no issue with that. this is america and he can say whatever he wants. the issue I have is that obama choose to embrace that type of rhetoric for a very long time and is now asking me to vote for him for the highest office in the land. not so fast..

    Whatever. Don't vote for him. Thats your perogative. You might try to unstick yourself from the mud your stuck in though. With that, i'm done talking about this here. I'd rather discuss shit that really matters.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    I havent decided who I'm voting for yet. I was leaning towards obama until this broke. this is really hurting him among independents.

    No it isn't. Not anymore.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    cornnifer wrote:
    Whatever. Don't vote for him. Thats your perogative. You might try to unstick yourself from the mud your stuck in though. With that, i'm done talking about this here. I'd rather discuss shit that really matters.

    ok see ya.
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    I havent decided who I'm voting for yet. I was leaning towards obama until this broke. this is really hurting him among independents.

    So I guess the question for you is, what would you have Obama do?
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    RainDog wrote:
    So I guess the question for you is, what would you have Obama do?

    what do you mean? I thought his speech was great. but there is nothing he can do. can't take back 20 years of support.
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    what do you mean? I thought his speech was great. but there is nothing he can do. can't take back 20 years of support.
    So then it either has or it hasn't hurt him among independents - probably depending on the individual independent. It no longer "is" hurting him among independents.

    If there's nothing he can do, then the issue is done. How much damage was caused? Arguably some, but it doesn't seem to be a campaign killer.
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    RainDog wrote:
    So then it either has or it hasn't hurt him among independents - probably depending on the individual independent. It no longer "is" hurting him among independents.

    If there's nothing he can do, then the issue is done. How much damage was caused? Arguably some, but it doesn't seem to be a campaign killer.

    that remains to be seen. this is undoubtedly come up again during debates. november is a long way away.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    I'm sure every week was a sermon like the 20 seconds total you've seen of them. If you did your research you would see that he has given some amazing sermons that will move you.

    So he flew off the handle a couple of time. I do too when I get pissed off. Why should Obama be sorry for something that should have no effect on him as a person or a Presidential candidate? He was married at that church and his children were baptized there, those are events I am sure he is reminded of when he walks into that church.
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  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I've been a member of a very conservative Lutheran church my whole life. My pastor has gone on rants about abortion, gay rights, and many other things I don't agree with.

    Does this mean that I am embracing one man's opinion because I have a personal history at my church? No. I'm respecting my family's history and beliefs. I go to church there because it's where my niece and nephew were baptized, and it's nice to go as a family.

    Do churches still collect money to keep things going? Do you give money to this church to keep things going, i.e., help that pastor spread messages of intolerance?

    You may not embrace his opinion, but a pastor is supposed to be respected member of the community. Someone a congregation would look to to gain greater insight on troubling topics.

    I think anyone who uses that to spread messages of intolerance and/or hate needs to step away from the mike. :cool:
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  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I'm sure every week was a sermon like the 20 seconds total you've seen of them. If you did your research you would see that he has given some amazing sermons that will move you.

    So he flew off the handle a couple of time. I do too when I get pissed off. Why should Obama be sorry for something that should have no effect on him as a person or a Presidential candidate? He was married at that church and his children were baptized there, those are events I am sure he is reminded of when he walks into that church.

    I'm not doubting for a second that he has some moving speeches. thats besides the point.

    ask obama why he should be sorry, he has denounced the pastor. and I'm sorry but it absolutely does have an effect on him as a person. he hears those type of rants, they are intended to get people pissed, and further divide whites/blacks.

    I sometimes go to church too. I'm a catholic. If I ever heard my priest say anything remotely close to negative things about blacks, or imply we got what we deserve on 9/11 because of the government, I would stand up walk out and find a new church. thats just me
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Spinbrett wrote:
    Obama listens to this guy. He blames rich white men for all the worlds problems. Did he forget that Obama is half white and was raised by whites? I guess if you are even 25% black, that makes you black. He even says Jesus was a poor black man and other anti white stuff. The worst thing is Obama listens to this fool for spiritual guidance. What a quack!
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=oLgFf8EezKk


    while you are focused on a powerless reverendspolitcal views THE WORLD IS BURNING...

    so you prefer hillary or mccain?
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