A question of spirits/souls

Ahnimus
Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
edited September 2007 in A Moving Train
What is you reason for your belief in spirits and/or souls?

What evidence supports your belief?

What is the logical steps taken to this conclusion?
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I don't think it can be proven with science right? is that what you are looking for?
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What is you reason for your belief in spirits and/or souls?

    What evidence supports your belief?

    What is the logical steps taken to this conclusion?
    it has nothing to do with logics, or evidence.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    it has nothing to do with logics, or evidence.

    What is it then?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I don't think it can be proven with science right? is that what you are looking for?

    Some kind of rationality, yes.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What is it then?
    spirit realm
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    spirit realm

    Isn't that circular?
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Isn't that circular?
    yeah.... i guess... i can see that. but there's just no way into it.... not really. no way to define it in rational terms.

    the only thing i can tell you is that there are certain feelings, like for instance when we get scared, or when we feel a strong vibe of love. it's either a positive or negative feeling. all these are attributes of spirit. of course, you'll deny it by explaining the chemicals in the brain.

    so it's like a two-way street. no one wins.
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  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    I dont as much believe in them per se, as I am just willing to leave the door open for the possibility. But seeing as it is fundamentally an irrational realm, trying to explain it rationally wouldn't work, or at least not sound satisfactory in a scientific sense.

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What is you reason for your belief in spirits and/or souls?

    What evidence supports your belief?

    What is the logical steps taken to this conclusion?

    a rather sudden and complete psychic shift causing a massive change in my personality a little over 2 years ago. i don't know if i believe in spirits or souls per se, but it certainly defies any scientific explanation i am aware of.
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What is you reason for your belief in spirits and/or souls?

    What evidence supports your belief?

    What is the logical steps taken to this conclusion?

    life experiences.
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  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What is you reason for your belief in spirits and/or souls?

    What evidence supports your belief?

    What is the logical steps taken to this conclusion?

    The reason I believe in souls is that I can see them and feel them.

    Can't you?
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What is you reason for your belief in spirits and/or souls?

    What evidence supports your belief?

    What is the logical steps taken to this conclusion?

    What would science be without a spoken and written language?
    How would a determinist describe "making love?"
    If the spoken-written language is only a science founded in determinism, does 'no' sometimes mean 'yes'?
    If a brilliant individual illuminated a new idea to you, could that individual be considered a "brilliant soul"?
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    justam wrote:
    The reason I believe in souls is that I can see them and feel them.

    Can't you?
    :)
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  • JoeTzu
    JoeTzu Posts: 88
    I think what everyone "Feels, senses, sees, yadda yadda yadda, is easily explained through enlightenment/sensitivity.

    A sensitive person tends to get the most out of their emotions and feelings. Now if you mix that with enlightenment, you get a person who realizes that other people have the same emotions and feelings as they do.

    Now enlightenment comes in many forms; meaning not all at once. That's kind of beside the point though. It's the connection between people we're really after. Like what eV. talks about with the fans/set list.

    Now if your still following I'll try and wrap it up. Sensitivity + a sense of enlightenment = Connection. Connection = a sense of oneness. Sense of oneness = unexplainable. Unexplainable = unscientific explanation = ghosts, spirits, souls.

    I think.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    the only thing i found weird about living a "spiritual" life.... is that certain people claim to live a spiritual life but live their lives doing mean things to people. so i take this topic very very very sacred and meaningful to me.

    you wanna see a spiritual man??? meet my dad.... he'll talk to you and for a half-hour with him you'll start shedding tears like a little baby. true story. only if i were half the man he is.... i'd really be someone.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    the only thing i found weird about living a "spiritual" life.... is that certain people claim to live a spiritual life but live their lives doing mean things to people. so i take this topic very very very sacred and meaningful to me.

    you wanna see a spiritual man??? meet my dad.... he'll talk to you and for a half-hour with him you'll start shedding tears like a little baby. true story. only if i were half the man he is.... i'd really be someone.

    Dude, he's known you since before you knew yourself. You give him too much credit.

    IMHO.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    Dude, he's known you since before you knew yourself. You give him too much credit.
    no, no.... there's been literally hundreds of other people who've met my dad. they really consider him a spiritual guide. they all feel the same about him.... but to me... being that he's my father, it means more. you know, he's my friend. a pal. that's what makes it a little more spiritual, in a way. but yeah, go ahead, meet my dad. you'll end up loving him. seriously. everybody has.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    no, no.... there's been literally hundreds of other people who've met my dad. they really consider him a spiritual guide. they all feel the same about him.... but to me... being that he's my father, it means more. you know, he's my friend. a pal. that's what makes it a little more spiritual, in a way. but yeah, go ahead, meet my dad. you'll end up loving him. seriously. everybody has.

    Sure, okay, he's a great guy. :)
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    Sure, okay, he's a great guy. :)
    but he does have his errors though... and i have fought with him many, many times before. but ah well, you know... through all that you learn. and i guess it makes a more bonding relationship. i'm not saying he's a saint. and he is very annoying too.
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