Canada should sign on to missile defence: Senate report

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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    jlew24asu wrote:
    bold statement from such a little guy. you worry too much. maybe its time to end it. not everyone is out to get you. even the big bad USA.
    Agree
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    beemster wrote:
    Agree

    This isn't a poll. You think I'm afraid of something?

    Let me tell you. I don't get startled watching movies. I hear a squeek or a bang I don't investigate it. I walk home in the pitch dark in the neighbourhood with the highest crime rate. I speak my mind in public. I've been face to face with death on a few occasions. I'm afraid of nothing. Not heights, not darkness, not ghosts or aliens, not government, not police, not gangs or drunks. I'm not afraid of spiders or bees, cougars or bears. I don't fear humiliation, desitution, defamation or discrimination. I stare all of it in the face and consciously prepare for said circumstances. I'm rarely caught off guard and I continue to lead a happy an fullfilling life. Contrary to jlew24asu's preconceptions, preparedness and caution is not synonymous with fear. Besides, I've been telling you guys forever, you are far too afraid of terrorism.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • evenkatevenkat Posts: 380
    Ahnimus wrote:
    This isn't a poll. You think I'm afraid of something?

    Let me tell you. I don't get startled watching movies. I hear a squeek or a bang I don't investigate it. I walk home in the pitch dark in the neighbourhood with the highest crime rate. I speak my mind in public. I've been face to face with death on a few occasions. I'm afraid of nothing. Not heights, not darkness, not ghosts or aliens, not government, not police, not gangs or drunks. I'm not afraid of spiders or bees, cougars or bears. I don't fear humiliation, desitution, defamation or discrimination. I stare all of it in the face and consciously prepare for said circumstances. I'm rarely caught off guard and I continue to lead a happy an fullfilling life. Contrary to jlew24asu's preconceptions, preparedness and caution is not synonymous with fear. Besides, I've been telling you guys forever, you are far too afraid of terrorism.

    But you are afraid of the US government and have linked Bush with terrorism. Therefore, are your fears any different than the fears of Americans? You fear another country's government and so do the Americans. You fear the US for actions taken not against Canada but other countries and Americans fear actions taken by other countries that may or may not be a direct threat to the US or it's allies. As you said yourself the US is not an imminent threat to Canada but it may attack Canada in 100 years, this is the same thinking of Bush with his war on terrorism - some day we may be attacked so something needs to be done now. That being said, I never supported Bush, the Iraq war or the war on terrorism so I'm not a Bushie at all, however, it seems we're all being fed with fear of some type or another.
    "...believe in lies...to get by...it's divine...whoa...oh, you know what its like..."
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    evenkat wrote:
    That being said, I never supported Bush, the Iraq war or the war on terrorism so I'm not a Bushie at all, however, it seems we're all being fed with fear of some type or another.

    can I ask you.....you don't support the war on terror? meaning the war in afganistan and against extreme islamists.

    are you an american? if so, how would you have dealt with them? just curious
  • evenkatevenkat Posts: 380
    jlew24asu wrote:
    can I ask you.....you don't support the war on terror? meaning the war in afganistan and against extreme islamists.

    are you an american? if so, how would you have dealt with them? just curious

    Yes I am an American and I assume you're referring to 9/11. I think we should have put our all into capturing/killing the ones that were responsible for the attacks on 9/11 and not go off into other directions. When Japan attacked us in 1941 we focus on Japan and then when Germany attacked one of our ships we focus on them as well. We didn't attack other countries or groups of people because they may attack us one day. We focused on the ones that did and that's what brought the American people as well as the allies together to defeat our enemies in WWII. Let me ask you this, if Russia bombed the US what would we do? We'd bomb Russia. We wouldn't bomb another country like China because they COULD and MAY bomb us someday. Do we put people in jail because they MAY commit a crime someday?
    "...believe in lies...to get by...it's divine...whoa...oh, you know what its like..."
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    evenkat wrote:
    Yes I am an American and I assume you're referring to 9/11. I think we should have put our all into capturing/killing the ones that were responsible for the attacks on 9/11 and not go off into other directions. When Japan attacked us in 1941 we focus on Japan and then when Germany attacked one of our ships we focus on them as well. We didn't attack other countries or groups of people because they may attack us one day. We focused on the ones that did and that's what brought the American people as well as the allies together to defeat our enemies in WWII. Let me ask you this, if Russia bombed the US what would we do? We'd bomb Russia. We wouldn't bomb another country like China because they COULD and MAY bomb us someday. Do we put people in jail because they MAY commit a crime someday?

    thats why I asked you specifically why you are against the war on terror. I agree with you 100% we should have not gone to Iraq until the taliban, el queda, and osama were completely gone off this planet. I asked you a very specific question. you said you were against the war on terror. I asked why.
  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Besides, I've been telling you guys forever, you are far too afraid of terrorism.

    Ahnimus wrote:
    preparedness and caution is not synonymous with fear.

    You said it.


    And he's about to.
    I think "too afraid of terrorism" would involve losing sleep due to anxiety, becoming extremely paranoid, etc. I am nowhere near this point. Admitting that it is a real threat and wanting the government to keep people safe is not too afraid.
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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    I think "too afraid of terrorism" would involve losing sleep due to anxiety, becoming extremely paranoid, etc. I am nowhere near this point. Admitting that it is a real threat and wanting the government to keep people safe is not too afraid.
  • Harper will soon take care of the artic region (he said he would and so far he did what he said he'd do), we should not take part in this missile defense crap simply cause it doesn't work and cost an awful lot of money just for paranoiac reason. Secure the borders against unwanted intrusion, but if a country want to attack us with a missile, there's nothing we can do about it, other than fighting back.

    USA can't invade Canada, something called the UN is now in place and wasn't in the 1800, USA invading Canada would then turn the French, England, Russia, Germany, Iran, North Korea, China, Japan, Australia, Brazil...... etc. against the USA, not in any country's interest.
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    USA can't invade Canada, something called the UN is now in place and wasn't in the 1800, USA invading Canada would then turn the French, England, Russia, Germany, Iran, North Korea, China, Japan, Australia, Brazil...... etc. against the USA, not in any country's interest.

    Iran and North Korea? its safe to say they hate us already.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    evenkat wrote:
    But you are afraid of the US government and have linked Bush with terrorism. Therefore, are your fears any different than the fears of Americans? You fear another country's government and so do the Americans. You fear the US for actions taken not against Canada but other countries and Americans fear actions taken by other countries that may or may not be a direct threat to the US or it's allies. As you said yourself the US is not an imminent threat to Canada but it may attack Canada in 100 years, this is the same thinking of Bush with his war on terrorism - some day we may be attacked so something needs to be done now. That being said, I never supported Bush, the Iraq war or the war on terrorism so I'm not a Bushie at all, however, it seems we're all being fed with fear of some type or another.

    :rolleyes:

    I don't fear the U.S. government and I'm not suggesting a pre-emptive strike. I'm simply saying that we need to remain autonomous and take caution about the NAU.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I think "too afraid of terrorism" would involve losing sleep due to anxiety, becoming extremely paranoid, etc. I am nowhere near this point. Admitting that it is a real threat and wanting the government to keep people safe is not too afraid.

    The pre-emptive strike tactic is a sign of fear. If you weren't afraid. Your country could just chill out.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    Iran and North Korea? its safe to say they hate us already.

    sure, but then they'd have a reason to attack, that's why i include them in the list. In the end it's just impossible for the USA to military invading Canada, plus why do it since USA already "own" Canada ;).
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    sure, but then they'd have a reason to attack, that's why i include them in the list. In the end it's just impossible for the USA to military invading Canada, plus why do it since USA already "own" Canada ;).

    I know, the thought is laughable.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Well, I think I'm through talking about this. You guys aren't properly interpreting what I'm writing. Your conjuring these fantasies and refuse to accept my real message. It's typical of your posts. It might work when you are 12 years old arguing with a 10 year old. But I'm not that stupid. Go find some kid to bully.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, I think I'm through talking about this. You guys aren't properly interpreting what I'm writing. Your conjuring these fantasies and refuse to accept my real message. It's typical of your posts. It might work when you are 12 years old arguing with a 10 year old. But I'm not that stupid. Go find some kid to bully.

    it's because i'm french...

    I just took all the post in the thread and put a resume of my thoughts about what i've read from everyone, not just you. The poor victim in you is out once again...
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    it's because i'm french...

    I just took all the post in the thread and put a resume of my thoughts about what i've read from everyone, not just you. The poor victim in you is out once again...

    I never said we'd be invaded by military.

    I said our sovereignty is being eroded by U.S. activity and the NAU.

    What I've said has just been twisted, manipulated and ignored by arrogant fucks.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I never said we'd be invaded by military.

    I said our sovereignty is being eroded by U.S. activity and the NAU.

    What I've said has just been twisted, manipulated and ignored by arrogant fucks.

    ah, there you go... btw i'm just reading a great article that made me think of your character (anhimus), i'll post it in the "oh canada" thread...
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    ah, there you go... btw i'm just reading a great article that made me think of your character (anhimus), i'll post it in the "oh canada" thread...

    I'd be suprised if you have any insight into my character. All you are getting here is my political point-of-view. Merely a small fraction of my character.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I'd be suprised if you have any insight into my character. All you are getting here is my political point-of-view. Merely a small fraction of my character.

    man, that's why i said i thought about ahnimus, cause i just don't know you personally... character as in personnas, or character as your screen name, whatever fits better for you...
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    man, that's why i said i thought about ahnimus, cause i just don't know you personally... character as in personnas, or character as your screen name, whatever fits better for you...

    Oh I see, well. I'll let you know, I worked with a guy from Quebec named Tony Gatinau for several months until his contract expired and we talked about Quebec quite a lot. We had good respectful discussions on the province of Quebec.

    Another guy I work with overheard us and said "Fuck 'em, they want to seperate, fuck 'em. They can just blow up the border and drift out into the ocean..." and he went on basically insulting Tony.

    I think "Another guy" is the guy you are describing.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Oh I see, well. I'll let you know, I worked with a guy from Quebec named Tony Gatinau for several months until his contract expired and we talked about Quebec quite a lot. We had good respectful discussions on the province of Quebec.

    Another guy I work with overheard us and said "Fuck 'em, they want to seperate, fuck 'em. They can just blow up the border and drift out into the ocean..." and he went on basically insulting Tony.

    I think "Another guy" is the guy you are describing.

    well, now you lost me, let's say i thought about the "oh canada" thread when i read the article, easier for me... and let's not derail this thread (i'm good at it, unintentional).
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    well, now you lost me, let's say i thought about the "oh canada" thread when i read the article, easier for me... and let's not derail this thread (i'm good at it, unintentional).

    Oh well, this thread has already been derailed by Reborn and Jlew24asu
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Oh well, this thread has already been derailed by Reborn and Jlew24asu


    just trying to teach you the truth
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    just trying to teach you the truth

    Dude, you don't even have a coherent alias :p

    Have you done any reading on the NAU? Do you know what the NAU is?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Dude, you don't even have a coherent alias :p

    Have you done any reading on the NAU? Do you know what the NAU is?

    There's not enough real known facts about the North American Union to judge it good or bad, as long as they keep it in close door (i bet that's one of the topic of those bilderberg meeting), we can't really judge. Is it just an extended Nafta? Will it be like the EU? Is it only for commercial purpose (currency, natural ressources), or also for civil purpose (passport, nationality)? Anyway i just can't say, and with the current wall the USA vote to build, i don't think it's a step into a possible NAU... as i said in those other union thread, we'll see.
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    There's not enough real known facts about the North American Union to judge it good or bad, as long as they keep it in close door (i bet that's one of the topic of those bilderberg meeting), we can't really judge. Is it just an extended Nafta? Will it be like the EU? Is it only for commercial purpose (currency, natural ressources), or also for civil purpose (passport, nationality)? Anyway i just can't say, and with the current wall the USA vote to build, i don't think it's a step into a possible NAU... as i said in those other union thread, we'll see.

    I've heard that the US has already sold parts of the land to Mexico to boost the NAU. The NAFTA super-highway is on the horizon and so on. The EU started as simply a free trade agreement but since has expanded into almost complete unity and it hasn't worked out all that well.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I've heard that the US has already sold parts of the land to Mexico to boost the NAU. The NAFTA super-highway is on the horizon and so on. The EU started as simply a free trade agreement but since has expanded into almost complete unity and it hasn't worked out all that well.

    Let me say that from what i know, i'm not at all convinced it would be a good thing. But i just can't put a final judgment cause all i've heard or read is internet stuffs, i've heard no official statement about it. So far to me it sound just like an extended commercial free trade that only corporation (and mostly big one) will be profiting of. Normal citizens wouldn't see any advantage to this.
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Let me say that from what i know, i'm not at all convinced it would be a good thing. But i just can't put a final judgment cause all i've heard or read is internet stuffs, i've heard no official statement about it. So far to me it sound just like an extended commercial free trade that only corporation (and mostly big one) will be profiting of. Normal citizens wouldn't see any advantage to this.

    http://canadianactionparty.ca/temp/North_American_Union/index.asp

    Some interesting political perspectives on the NAU
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • evenkatevenkat Posts: 380
    Ahnimus wrote:
    :rolleyes:

    I don't fear the U.S. government and I'm not suggesting a pre-emptive strike. I'm simply saying that we need to remain autonomous and take caution about the NAU.

    Canada should most certainly remain sovereign, as should the US. I feel uncomfortable about the NAU myself. We already have a good trade agreement so what more do they want? I'm unsure how it will affect my country and not sure if it will be better or worse. I wonder if this is how the Europeans felt in the beginning stages of the EU.

    I also feel uncomfortable about the missile defense because I'm worried if we have this defense we will use our nukes.

    Are you sure you're not afraid of the US government because I am? :D .
    "...believe in lies...to get by...it's divine...whoa...oh, you know what its like..."
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