Welfare Whiners

Ahnimus

cbc wrote:

Single employable person:

N.B. - $3,427
N.L. - $8,198
Person with disability:

Alta. - $7,851
Ont. - $12,057
Lone parent with one child:

Alta. - $12,326
N.L. - $16,181
Couple with two children:

N.B. - $17,567
P.E.I. - $21,213
The income figures reported from the Northwest Territories, Yukon and Nunavut were higher than those in the provinces. However, the cost of living is higher in northern regions, so any benefit of bigger cheques is lost.

A single person on welfare in N.W.T. receives $13,610 per year, while a couple with two children in Nunavut receive $36,325.

I think that says it all right there. A single employable individual working at minimum wage, which is like $7.50/hr for 40 hours per week minus their lunch breaks 3.5 hours makes $14,235/year, now subtract CPP, Income Tax and STD/LTD and it's about $12,000/year and that person is working. So it makes complete sense to me that a single employable person only gets $4,000 - $8,000 on welfare. They should technically be staying in a shelter and going to Labour Ready to find work and not sucking the system dry.

A couple with two children on welfare in Nunavut receives $36,325/year? That's rediculous, why are they on welfare to begin with? and secondly, I know a guy working 3 jobs to feed 4 kids and he doesn't make that much. The guy doesn't have a life, he works all the time. Thanks to these people no doubt.

surferdude

My favorite part is how it is the provinces that can least afford and have the lowest cost of living offer the highest welfare rates.

That said, Alberta and BC need to raise their rates, and especially provide more support for the working poor. Canada also needs to come up with a definition for poverty that relies on a basket of goods type measurement rather than income distribution.

thankyougrandma

damn i might consider filing those welfare papers, will make a lot of money!!!

Seriously is there a link? i'd like to read more...

_Crazy_Mary_

Ahnimus wrote:

I think that says it all right there. A single employable individual working at minimum wage, which is like $7.50/hr for 40 hours per week minus their lunch breaks 3.5 hours makes $14,235/year, now subtract CPP, Income Tax and STD/LTD and it's about $12,000/year and that person is working. So it makes complete sense to me that a single employable person only gets $4,000 - $8,000 on welfare. They should technically be staying in a shelter and going to Labour Ready to find work and not sucking the system dry.

A couple with two children on welfare in Nunavut receives $36,325/year? That's rediculous, why are they on welfare to begin with? and secondly, I know a guy working 3 jobs to feed 4 kids and he doesn't make that much. The guy doesn't have a life, he works all the time. Thanks to these people no doubt.

What the hell kind of lunch breaks are you people taking up there?! 3.5 hours for a 40 hour work weeK? :eek:

Ahnimus

I just think we need to seriously rething our welfare system. I've known way too many people that abuse it and laugh about it. While those of us paying into it are struggling just as much. If these lazy sacks of crap would get out and look for a job, or maybe move from Nunavut to somewhere that has Jobs (like I was forced to do) then we wouldn't need a fucking welfare system or we could make welfare better for those that genuinely need it. I personally don't want to give anymore hand-outs to low-life scum that shoots smack all day and barely has enough will power to change the channel on their wide-screen HDTV. Most of these welfare bastards are dealing drugs too.

I know a guy that lives in a massive house on the water front, owns 2 trucks and 2 cars, has 3 kids a wife and makes a lot of money. From welfare, drugs, and identity theft. It's amazing the authorities never catch on.

Ahnimus

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

What the hell kind of lunch breaks are you people taking up there?! 3.5 hours for a 40 hour work weeK? :eek:

Hmm my bad, that should be 2.5 hours.

Ahnimus

thankyougrandma wrote:

damn i might consider filing those welfare papers, will make a lot of money!!!

Seriously is there a link? i'd like to read more...

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/08/24/welfare-report.html

_Crazy_Mary_

ok, I get it. lol

welfare systems do need to be revised, I agree with you there.

tybird

Are Welfare whiners like Welfare Mothers?..........you know, do they make better lovers???

Collin

tybird wrote:

Are Welfare whiners like Welfare Mothers?..........you know, do they make better lovers???

Ahnimus

tybird wrote:

Are Welfare whiners like Welfare Mothers?..........you know, do they make better lovers???

A welfare mother IMO is one of two people:
A) A woman who had a child with a guy that left her or died
A woman that carelessly became pregnant through lack of birth control

The canadian federal government has provided funded daycare services for single mothers for decades. Enabling those single mothers to work through the day and look after their homes and kids in the evening, just like any other person. Except, it's voluntary, so literally no one uses it. Everyone prefers a free ride and when that doesn't afford them a yacht they complain about it. Well I got news sister, I work full time and make twice minimum wage and I don't own a yacht. I don't even own a house or a car and that's all due to my own lack of budgeting. The same way their situtation is a result of their lack of birth control and willingness to work.

tybird

Ahnimus wrote:

A welfare mother IMO is one of two people:
A) A woman who had a child with a guy that left her or died
A woman that carelessly became pregnant through lack of birth control

The canadian federal government has provided funded daycare services for single mothers for decades. Enabling those single mothers to work through the day and look after their homes and kids in the evening, just like any other person. Except, it's voluntary, so literally no one uses it. Everyone prefers a free ride and when that doesn't afford them a yacht they complain about it. Well I got news sister, I work full time and make twice minimum wage and I don't own a yacht. I don't even own a house or a car and that's all due to my own lack of budgeting. The same way their situtation is a result of their lack of birth control and willingness to work.

A moment of levity..............it's a paraphrase from a old Neil Young song.

Ahnimus

tybird wrote:

A moment of levity..............it's a paraphrase from a old Neil Young song.

Oh...

JOEJOEJOE

Ahnimus wrote:

I just think we need to seriously rething our welfare system. I've known way too many people that abuse it and laugh about it. While those of us paying into it are struggling just as much. If these lazy sacks of crap would get out and look for a job, or maybe move from Nunavut to somewhere that has Jobs (like I was forced to do) then we wouldn't need a fucking welfare system or we could make welfare better for those that genuinely need it. I personally don't want to give anymore hand-outs to low-life scum that shoots smack all day and barely has enough will power to change the channel on their wide-screen HDTV. Most of these welfare bastards are dealing drugs too.

I know a guy that lives in a massive house on the water front, owns 2 trucks and 2 cars, has 3 kids a wife and makes a lot of money. From welfare, drugs, and identity theft. It's amazing the authorities never catch on.

narc on him!

Ahnimus

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

narc on him!

Yea, but that's not my job. I can rat out one guy, but what about the other thousands. We need a better system than relying on people like me to rat people out.

brain of c

tybird wrote:

Are Welfare whiners like Welfare Mothers?..........you know, do they make better lovers???

yes.

and rust never sleeps.

Ahnimus

I meant to say in the original post aswell, in the original article some people were complaining about Welfare not giving enough money to recipients.

JOEJOEJOE

Ahnimus wrote:

Yea, but that's not my job. I can rat out one guy, but what about the other thousands. We need a better system than relying on people like me to rat people out.

Well, if the system can't be fixed, it is up to everybody to rat out the offenders...it may just be a band-aid fix, but it will hopefully discourage future cheats!

OutOfBreath

Is it so bad that people actually can get by on welfare provisions? I am usually unimpressed by the abuse tales. Sure, they happen, and those kind of people are out there. But they are vastly outnumbered by those who "genuinely" need it. 36000$ for a couple with 2 children and no income in a northern district would actually need it me thinks. That would be a bit above one minimum wage over here at least. But I know we have high low salaries, and lower high salaries.

And as a sidenote, I am reading a lot of studies and literature on unemployment and poverty, as I am writing my master's on that. And one comparative finding across europe is that generosity of benefits have no influence whatsoever to whether people take jobs or not. When it comes to unemployment benefits, it is the duration, not amount that counts. For instance, scandinavia have generally much more generous benefits than other european nations, and we have lower unemployment and higher participation in the workforce than almost anyone else. Then again it must be said that a lot of the benefits are geared towards employment, and many of the orderings is there to make it easier for people to work, like kindergartens (90% coverage and increasing), generous childcare benefits etc. But also unemployment benefits are pretty good, as they are based on percentage of former income the past 1 or 3 years.

Leeches will always be there. And you are allowed to think that they're lazy good-for-nothings. But the way to deal with them is not necessarily through structural change, if the structure otherwise helps out a ton of people. Perfection is impossible.

That being said, I have little knowledge about the specific canadian system, and it could be that it needs an overhaul for all I know. My points were of a more general kind.

Peace
Dan

PaperPlates

Ahnimus wrote:

Yea, but that's not my job. I can rat out one guy, but what about the other thousands. We need a better system than relying on people like me to rat people out.

ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

tonywellington

This is hardly much money contrary to a lot of this angry man rhetoric here. Not mentioned in those statistics is that in Alberta the number represents a 50% cut in real dollars after inflation in ten years and does not provide enough money to meet necessities (food, shelter and clothing). Ontario and other richer privnices are just as bad. If we are helping people get back on their feet should we not allow them to eat? Methinks Canada can afford it, we do run a surplus, we did just cut corporate tax rates..... we can do better than this. Welfare recipients get less real dollars today than they did twenty years ago, this does not factor inflation. Imagine making less dollars twenty years from now than you do today. With rates this low (and they are low according to the National Council on Welfare) we can't expect people to improve their condition when they can't support themselves. Jobs, training and opportunity do not go looking for people on welfare. They need help, thus the term "assistance."

As for this welfare mother nonsense, I don't hear any proposals here about going after child support payments or dead beat dads who left these women in the first place. So the condom broke.... fuck her? Is that our policy? Why not give the dad the yacht and her the boot? Better yet we could just publicly shame the poor... oh wait already do by condeming them to the cycle of poverty we support. There is also very little government supported child care and no yachts being handed out in this country to welfare recipients.

There is not that much fraud in the system and all statistical evidence points that out. The "I know a guy who cheats" is as silly as the cry of the smoker, "my Grandpa lived to be 100 and smoked every day". The majority do not fall into these categories. If the suggestion is to cut them off, then I ask where are you sending these people? The streets, jail? addiction, abuse? Sounds like even more money than trying to help them get back on their feet.