I'm always learning. The biggest mistake people make is to read a book or take a course and think that is everything. We have to constantly be learning to exercise our brains and to learn new information and to relearn old information.
You mean like calling women "stupid sluts"? Yeah, god job in learning.
Cool. I was going to add that you should find similar benefits, especially due to the fact that you have a similar intuition to myself. And since we both have been known to have "attention issues".
I thought you would relate. It looks like our communication glitches are due to that you prefer to speak and hear objective stuff, whereas it's more natural for me to speak subjectively. (which is exactly the difference between our almost-identical personality types, by the way)
If I had to lose a mile
If I had to touch feelings
I would lose my soul
The way I do
I dont have to think
I only have to do it
The results are always perfect
And thats old news
Would you like to hear my voice
Sweetened with emotion
Invented at your birth?
I cant see the end of me
My whole expanse I cannot see
I formulate infinity
And store it deep inside of me
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You mean like calling women "stupid sluts"? You, god job in learning.
Correction: "You mean like calling a woman a "stupid slut"? You, good job at learning."
No, that's not what I mean.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Angelica, would you consider meditation to be anything like being "in the zone"?
I was always fascinated by this "zone" phenomena. I've become quite trained at exercising my ability to get into the "zone".
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
If we don't understand the lens we look through, we definitely don't understand what we see.
.....
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I personally have not ever had an out of body experience.
you could always try DXM
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
If we don't understand the lens we look through, we definitely don't understand what we see
......
This is why I argue against free-will, it constitutes a lens.
However, I feel that is a communication error amongst the great minds that debate it.
Will, as in choice or volition, is not being argued. Free-will, as in complete freedom to make choice beyond any determinents is what's being argued.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Angelica, would you consider meditation to be anything like being "in the zone"?
I was always fascinated by this "zone" phenomena. I've become quite trained at exercising my ability to get into the "zone".
I've never been taught meditation or anything, but I've taught myself something that sounds like it would be similar to meditation. And I do it occasionally. I'm sure a lot of you have actually done something similar. I lay on my bed, looking up at the ceiling, and listen to something through ear buds [Abbey Road works best for me.] I close my eyes halfway after a while, trace my eyelashes with my eyes, trace the ceiling, lay my hands over my heart, and just think and relax. Eventually, I'll "snap out of it," and notice 40 minutes have gone by. I'll get back into it like it's nothing, but once I finally decide to get up, I feel so refreshed and just so good. Nothing really can bother you, and you really just feel refreshed.
So to answer your question, I would say yeah, it's in the same vein as being in the zone.
Angelica, would you consider meditation to be anything like being "in the zone"?
I was always fascinated by this "zone" phenomena. I've become quite trained at exercising my ability to get into the "zone".
Totally. I'm in the zone a lot. If you are referring to that state of heightened focus or awareness.
I think it's a continuum. To further degrees there is "cosmic consciousness" which was a term coined by a guy at your local psychiatric facility.
"Dr. Bucke, whose conclusions was presented in his remarkable book Cosmic Consciousness, was a descendent of Sir Richard Walpole, and was in the position of superintendent of the Asylum for the Insane at London, Ontario, Canada, for 25 years." http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/c/cosmic_consciousness.html
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I've never been taught meditation or anything, but I've taught myself something that sounds like it would be similar to meditation. And I do it occasionally. I'm sure a lot of you have actually done something similar. I lay on my bed, looking up at the ceiling, and listen to something through ear buds [Abbey Road works best for me.] I close my eyes halfway after a while, trace my eyelashes with my eyes, trace the ceiling, lay my hands over my heart, and just think and relax. Eventually, I'll "snap out of it," and notice 40 minutes have gone by. I'll get back into it like it's nothing, but once I finally decide to get up, I feel so refreshed and just so good. Nothing really can bother you, and you really just feel refreshed.
So to answer your question, I would say yeah, it's in the same vein as being in the zone.
Cool.
Didn't you know though? If time goes by like that, it means you've been abducted by aliens. You are supposed to go to a regression hypnotist, so they can plant some memories.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Totally. I'm in the zone a lot. If you are referring to that state of heightened focus or awareness.
I think it's a continuum. To further degrees there is "cosmic consciousness" which was a term coined by a guy at your local psychiatric facility.
"Dr. Bucke, whose conclusions was presented in his remarkable book Cosmic Consciousness, was a descendent of Sir Richard Walpole, and was in the position of superintendent of the Asylum for the Insane at London, Ontario, Canada, for 25 years." http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/c/cosmic_consciousness.html
is the "cosmic consciousness" like the "universal mind"?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Totally. I'm in the zone a lot. If you are referring to that state of heightened focus or awareness.
I think it's a continuum. To further degrees there is "cosmic consciousness" which was a term coined by a guy at your local psychiatric facility.
"Dr. Bucke, whose conclusions was presented in his remarkable book Cosmic Consciousness, was a descendent of Sir Richard Walpole, and was in the position of superintendent of the Asylum for the Insane at London, Ontario, Canada, for 25 years." http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/c/cosmic_consciousness.html
Well, I'm hesitant to suggest that it's a universal or cosmic consciousness. Seems to me it's just capitalizing on the superior computational abilities of the brain. With 10^14 ops, we can compute faster than our desktop computers. However, when we focus on conscious "decision" making, we ignore the computations we've already made with complete accuracy. To figure out simple mathematical problems like (29 + 7) / (3 x 2) shouldn't take us that long. Computers do it in nanoseconds.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
That explains it. But hey, I'll let them keep experimenting on me as long as they keep giving me that shot of relaxation.
Hehe, I was joking. Lost time is very common. Probably due to that kind of relaxation.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Hehe, I was joking. Lost time is very common. Probably due to that kind of relaxation.
You see, Ahnimus, you were talking about, I think, delta states or brain waves before. We very naturally go in and out of these states or different levels of consciousness all the time. For example, many of the people on this forum naturally operate in theoretical levels which is detached of "empirics". We naturally talk from almost completely our imaginations. This is beyond the normal average awareness that mostly focusses on things. This stuff is very normal.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You see, Ahnimus, you were talking about, I think, delta states or brain waves before. We very naturally go in and out of these states or different levels of consciousness all the time. For example, many of the people on this forum naturally operate in theoretical levels which is detached of "empirics". We naturally talk from almost completely our imaginations. This is beyond the normal average awareness that mostly focusses on things. This stuff is very normal.
Theta waves refer to the state of consciousness we've been discussing.
I was confused by the terminology being used. Terms like "cosmic consciousness" strongly implies a unified consciousness spanding the entire universe and everything in it, including us. "Stream of Life" implied a hallucination to me. Neither of which I accept.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Does the answer to this math question instantly pop into anyone's mind?
(29 + 7) / (3 x 2) =
No? Come on!
With a brain processing 100,000,000,000,000 operations per second, it should be easy!
I attribute this inability to our conditioning to focus on our consciousness as the decider.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Theta waves refer to the state of consciousness we've been discussing.
I was confused by the terminology being used. Terms like "cosmic consciousness" strongly implies a unified consciousness spanding the entire universe and everything in it, including us. "Stream of Life" implied a hallucination to me. Neither of which I accept.
Do you recognize that you are life?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I exist on the quantum level as anything else. Consisting of the quantum and biological building blocks of life. However, in the qualitative sense, I am merely a life not life.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Seriously, Searle represents the difference between Quantitative and Qualitative quite well. As he exaplains, something like, A table has both qualitative and quantitative properties. The fact that at the quantum level there is a lot of "uncertainty" and "empty space" does not change the fact that on the qualititative level, the table is solid.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I exist on the quantum level as anything else. Consisting of the quantum and biological building blocks of life. However, in the qualitative sense, I am mere a life not life.
Do you recognize that life is in you, in terms of you are part of the biosphere? Do you see the life within you as the same life that is in a horse?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Do you recognize that life is in you, in terms of you are part of the biosphere? Do you see the life within you as the same life that is in a horse?
To the extent that the complex rythym of molecules make two tables solid, independent of each other.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Are you going to join me in the context I'm speaking of, or are you prefering to not?
Do you find tables to be biological?
I'm using an analogy. How two things can be independent, but share the same quantitative and qualitative properties.
The existance of one cucumber does not depend on the simulataneous existance of another cucumber. Only in respect to lineage and the food chain does life depend on life.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm using an analogy. How two things can be independent, but share the same quantitative and qualitative properties.
The existance of one cucumber does not depend on the simulataneous existance of another cucumber. Only in respect to lineage and the food chain does life depend on life.
If your purpose here is to make your own point, there's a good chance you are not going to hear mine.
It sounds like you are responding to my point, but that you don't quite know what my point is yet.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
If your purpose here is to make your own point, there's a good chance you are not going to hear mine.
It sounds like you are responding to my point, but that you don't quite know what my point is yet.
I think the answer goes without saying. A person can not live without being within a "biosphere" or otherwise habitable environment, such as the bridge of a space shuttle.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I think the answer goes without saying. A person can not live without being within a "biosphere" or otherwise habitable environment, such as the bridge of a space shuttle.
Do you recognize that we have the physiosphere. Then, transcending the physiosphere, and yet including it, when "objects" begin self-replicating, we move into the level of biosphere and into the realm of "life"?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Do you recognize that we have the physiosphere. Then, transcending the physiosphere, and yet including it, when "objects" begin self-replicating, we move into the level of biosphere and into the realm of "life"?
Ok, do you mean, a distinction between normal phyiscal matter (Physiosphere) and Self-replicating Organisms (Biosphere)?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Comments
You mean like calling women "stupid sluts"? Yeah, god job in learning.
If I had to lose a mile
If I had to touch feelings
I would lose my soul
The way I do
I dont have to think
I only have to do it
The results are always perfect
And thats old news
Would you like to hear my voice
Sweetened with emotion
Invented at your birth?
I cant see the end of me
My whole expanse I cannot see
I formulate infinity
And store it deep inside of me
Correction: "You mean like calling a woman a "stupid slut"? You, good job at learning."
No, that's not what I mean.
Oh that's right, you're not. Nevermind.
I was always fascinated by this "zone" phenomena. I've become quite trained at exercising my ability to get into the "zone".
.....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
you could always try DXM
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
This is why I argue against free-will, it constitutes a lens.
However, I feel that is a communication error amongst the great minds that debate it.
Will, as in choice or volition, is not being argued. Free-will, as in complete freedom to make choice beyond any determinents is what's being argued.
I've never been taught meditation or anything, but I've taught myself something that sounds like it would be similar to meditation. And I do it occasionally. I'm sure a lot of you have actually done something similar. I lay on my bed, looking up at the ceiling, and listen to something through ear buds [Abbey Road works best for me.] I close my eyes halfway after a while, trace my eyelashes with my eyes, trace the ceiling, lay my hands over my heart, and just think and relax. Eventually, I'll "snap out of it," and notice 40 minutes have gone by. I'll get back into it like it's nothing, but once I finally decide to get up, I feel so refreshed and just so good. Nothing really can bother you, and you really just feel refreshed.
So to answer your question, I would say yeah, it's in the same vein as being in the zone.
I think it's a continuum. To further degrees there is "cosmic consciousness" which was a term coined by a guy at your local psychiatric facility.
"Dr. Bucke, whose conclusions was presented in his remarkable book Cosmic Consciousness, was a descendent of Sir Richard Walpole, and was in the position of superintendent of the Asylum for the Insane at London, Ontario, Canada, for 25 years."
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/c/cosmic_consciousness.html
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Cool.
Didn't you know though? If time goes by like that, it means you've been abducted by aliens. You are supposed to go to a regression hypnotist, so they can plant some memories.
is the "cosmic consciousness" like the "universal mind"?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Well, I'm hesitant to suggest that it's a universal or cosmic consciousness. Seems to me it's just capitalizing on the superior computational abilities of the brain. With 10^14 ops, we can compute faster than our desktop computers. However, when we focus on conscious "decision" making, we ignore the computations we've already made with complete accuracy. To figure out simple mathematical problems like (29 + 7) / (3 x 2) shouldn't take us that long. Computers do it in nanoseconds.
Hehe, I was joking. Lost time is very common. Probably due to that kind of relaxation.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Theta waves refer to the state of consciousness we've been discussing.
I was confused by the terminology being used. Terms like "cosmic consciousness" strongly implies a unified consciousness spanding the entire universe and everything in it, including us. "Stream of Life" implied a hallucination to me. Neither of which I accept.
(29 + 7) / (3 x 2) =
No? Come on!
With a brain processing 100,000,000,000,000 operations per second, it should be easy!
I attribute this inability to our conditioning to focus on our consciousness as the decider.
Do you recognize that you are life?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I exist on the quantum level as anything else. Consisting of the quantum and biological building blocks of life. However, in the qualitative sense, I am merely a life not life.
http://www-csli.stanford.edu/~paulsko/papers/SearleHowtoStudy.pdf
Seriously, Searle represents the difference between Quantitative and Qualitative quite well. As he exaplains, something like, A table has both qualitative and quantitative properties. The fact that at the quantum level there is a lot of "uncertainty" and "empty space" does not change the fact that on the qualititative level, the table is solid.
Do you recognize that life is in you, in terms of you are part of the biosphere? Do you see the life within you as the same life that is in a horse?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
To the extent that the complex rythym of molecules make two tables solid, independent of each other.
Are you going to join me in the context I'm speaking of, or are you prefering to not?
Do you find tables to be biological?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I'm using an analogy. How two things can be independent, but share the same quantitative and qualitative properties.
The existance of one cucumber does not depend on the simulataneous existance of another cucumber. Only in respect to lineage and the food chain does life depend on life.
It sounds like you are responding to my point, but that you don't quite know what my point is yet.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I think the answer goes without saying. A person can not live without being within a "biosphere" or otherwise habitable environment, such as the bridge of a space shuttle.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Ok, do you mean, a distinction between normal phyiscal matter (Physiosphere) and Self-replicating Organisms (Biosphere)?