Transcendental Meditation

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

neither of you is talking about it normally or using normal terms.

trappedinmyradio

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm always learning. The biggest mistake people make is to read a book or take a course and think that is everything. We have to constantly be learning to exercise our brains and to learn new information and to relearn old information.

oh my gosh, you are an IDIOT! ha. i am just saying that it seems like you are taking a survey course because you have something NEW every other day. so, are you really learning anything...or reading, regurgitating, and moving on? your sympathy for murderers is interesting though based on your belief that everything is pre-determined, yet, still misguided.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Why does it sound like I'm talking to Chopra all the time? Can't anyone talk about meditation normally? In normal terms!

Many people talk about meditation in a way the majority understands, using objective accounts. In other words, talking about what can be mapped and understood by everybody. People can relate to sitting on a mat, closing the eyes, even chanting, or whatever. The people who talk about the experiential aspects from a subjective point of view are sharing a perspective that significantly fewer people will understand. It's not something that one can comprehend except by experience. Just like "God" stuff. People can relate to shared subjective experiences, like if I say I feel sad, you don't feel that I sound odd and "out there" because you also have that experience and can relate. Those who actively delve deeper into consciousness go beyond the standard understandings. Even talking about it, one often feels the need to use metaphors half the time in order to give someone a hint of what one means. ie: "stream" of life. To use thought to explain what is beyond thought, in itself distorts the experience.

Ahnimus

trappedinmyradio wrote:

oh my gosh, you are an IDIOT! ha. i am just saying that it seems like you are taking a survey course because you have something NEW every other day. so, are you really learning anything...or reading, regurgitating, and moving on? your sympathy for murderers is interesting though based on your belief that everything is pre-determined, yet, still misguided.

What is the opposite to learning something new everyday? Learning nothing everyday. Which I assume is your practice.

So, you resort to labeling me an IDIOT? Does that strengthen your ego?

Pathetic.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

Many people talk about meditation in a way the majority understands, using objective accounts. In other words, talking about what can be mapped and understood by everybody. People can relate to sitting on a mat, closing the eyes, even chanting, or whatever. The people who talk about the experiential aspects from a subjective point of view are sharing a perspective that significantly fewer people will understand. It's not something that one can comprehend except by experience. Just like "God" stuff. People can relate to shared subjective experiences, like if I say I feel sad, you don't feel that I sound odd and "out there" because you also have that experience and can relate. Those who actively delve deeper into consciousness go beyond the standard understandings. Even talking about it, one often feels the need to use metaphors half the time in order to give someone a hint of what one means. ie: "stream" of life. To use thought to explain what is beyond thought, in itself distorts the experience.

That makes sense, up to "what is beyond thought", makes no sense. What is beyond thought?

trappedinmyradio

Ahnimus wrote:

What is the opposite to learning something new everyday? Learning nothing everyday. Which I assume is your practice.

So, you resort to labeling me an IDIOT? Does that strengthen your ego?

Pathetic.

hahahahaha. this has become quite humorous to me. you don't seem to be LEARNING anything. you just seem to read the basic tenets of something and then spew them at the message board. you OBVIOUSLY cannot understand what i'm saying. again, the way you come here and blather on about this and that makes it seems like you're an 18 year old freshman finally getting out of the holler and opening a BOOK! me calling you an idiot was a joke, hence the ha. but, now, gloves are off. go read something else that you don't really understand and come here and start a "debate" about it whilst you read more about it.

Ahnimus

trappedinmyradio wrote:

hahahahaha. this has become quite humorous to me. you don't seem to be LEARNING anything. you just seem to read the basic tenets of something and then spew them at the message board. you OBVIOUSLY cannot understand what i'm saying. again, the way you come here and blather on about this and that makes it seems like you're an 18 year old freshman finally getting out of the holler and opening a BOOK! me calling you an idiot was a joke, hence the ha. but, now, gloves are off. go read something else that you don't really understand and come here and start a "debate" about it whilst you read more about it.

Why would you assume to understand my actions at all? You can not see what I'm doing, you can simply read what I'm writing. Your knowledge of my actions are null. It would seem your only purpose in addressing me is to question my motives, based on your hypothesis that I know nothing. I think your motivation for your hypothesis is self-gratification. This is evident by your lack of constructive input.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

That makes sense, up to "what is beyond thought", makes no sense. What is beyond thought?

That's funny. But of course that's just the point! It's actually "no-thing". Beyond thought is beyond concepts. It is beyond space-time with the normal considerations of dimension like in the "real world". I'm quite certain, no matter what I tell you, until you see for yourself, you will not be satisfied.

What I can say, in more "normal" terms is how meditation affects me in my day and out life. First of all, when you spend half an hour, or a whole one each day for years, doing something, you become quite good at it. I sit in meditation, every day and consciously detach from my thoughts, from concepts and from their value to me. So rather than focus on my thoughts, I focus on what is beyond them. It's like if you look to clouds in the sky, and then let go of that focus and instead notice the sky that is behind the clouds. The clouds float in and out, and yet that is not all that is there. Thoughts, desires, ideas and beliefs come and go. The ground upon which the thoughts, ideas and beliefs travel remains consistent.

Basically, this experience in meditation feels like nothing to me. And yet, it's the extra edge I bring to my "real" life that I thrive on. Through daily meditation, I have learned to focus and hone in on things to a very serious degree because I train my focus daily. I can see further into subjects than the average person because I can focus more intently than is usual. Sometimes it's almost "otherworldly". I can keep control of my attention, for my specific purposes. Many people are like feathers in the wind, at the mercy of the forces around them. They don't even realize how they are caught up in dramas and conditioning. I thrive on being quite independent of those forces, relatively speaking. Due to the fact that I can hone in, focus, and avoid ugly entanglements, I am much more potent in problem solving than I was pre-meditation. Due to this, life stressors, to me have become muted. My victim-stance of the past has become mostly eliminated. I feel like I'm walking around in life, through these easy secret corridors that others can't see, where all my choices are made with ease and certainty, while others at times appear as though they are trudging through sludge each day.

Every day, I detach from my thought processes and conditioning. From a postion outside of them, I observe them "objectively". By detaching from these thoughts and conditioning, I take a stance beyond them effectively hiving off a truly objective part of myself that is unhindered by my subjectivity. From this detached place beyond the thoughts, my awareness then embraces these thoughts and I realize I am not merely them. Therefore I realize I can alter, manipulate and adjust my conditioning at will. I am no longer programmed by conditioning, but rather, I take the role of command of myself.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

That's funny. But of course that's just the point! It's actually "no-thing". Beyond thought is beyond concepts. It is beyond space-time with the normal considerations of dimension like in the "real world". I'm quite certain, no matter what I tell you, until you see for yourself, you will not be satisfied.

What I can say, in more "normal" terms is how meditation affects me in my day and out life. First of all, when you spend half an hour, or a whole one each day for years, doing something, you become quite good at it. I sit in meditation, every day and consciously detach from my thoughts, from concepts and from their value to me. So rather than focus on my thoughts, I focus on what is beyond them. It's like if you look to clouds in the sky, and then let go of that focus and instead notice the sky that is behind the clouds. The clouds float in and out, and yet that is not all that is there. Thoughts, desires, ideas and beliefs come and go. The ground upon which the thoughts, ideas and beliefs travel remains consistent.

Basically, this experience in meditation feels like nothing to me. And yet, it's the extra edge I bring to my "real" life that I thrive on. Through daily meditation, I have learned to focus and hone in on things to a very serious degree because I train my focus daily. I can see further into subjects than the average person because I can focus more intently than is usual. Sometimes it's almost "otherworldly". I can keep control of my attention, for my specific purposes. Many people are like feathers in the wind, at the mercy of the forces around them. They don't even realize how they are caught up in dramas and conditioning. I thrive on being quite independent of those forces, relatively speaking. Due to the fact that I can hone in, focus, and avoid ugly entanglements, I am much more potent in problem solving than I was pre-meditation. Due to this, life stressors, to me have become muted. My victim-stance of the past has become mostly eliminated. I feel like I'm walking around in life, through these easy secret corridors that others can't see, where all my choices are made with ease and certainty, while others at times appear as though they are trudging through sludge each day.

Every day, I detach from my thought processes and conditioning. From a postion outside of them, I observe them "objectively". By detaching from these thoughts and conditioning, I take a stance beyond them effectively hiving off a truly objective part of myself that is unhindered by my subjectivity. From this detached place beyond the thoughts, my awareness then embraces these thoughts and I realize I am not merely them. Therefore I realize I can alter, manipulate and adjust my conditioning at will. I am no longer programmed by conditioning, but rather, I take the role of command of myself.

Wow, that was so much easier to read. I do that without meditation or free-will. I know exactly what you mean.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Wow, that was so much easier to read. I do that without meditation or free-will. I know exactly what you mean.

Cool. I was going to add that you should find similar benefits, especially due to the fact that you have a similar intuition to myself. And since we both have been known to have "attention issues".

I thought you would relate. It looks like our communication glitches are due to that you prefer to speak and hear objective stuff, whereas it's more natural for me to speak subjectively. (which is exactly the difference between our almost-identical personality types, by the way)

NMyTree

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm always learning. The biggest mistake people make is to read a book or take a course and think that is everything. We have to constantly be learning to exercise our brains and to learn new information and to relearn old information.

You mean like calling women "stupid sluts"? Yeah, god job in learning.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

Cool. I was going to add that you should find similar benefits, especially due to the fact that you have a similar intuition to myself. And since we both have been known to have "attention issues".

I thought you would relate. It looks like our communication glitches are due to that you prefer to speak and hear objective stuff, whereas it's more natural for me to speak subjectively. (which is exactly the difference between our almost-identical personality types, by the way)

If I had to lose a mile
If I had to touch feelings
I would lose my soul
The way I do
I dont have to think
I only have to do it
The results are always perfect
And thats old news
Would you like to hear my voice
Sweetened with emotion
Invented at your birth?
I cant see the end of me
My whole expanse I cannot see
I formulate infinity
And store it deep inside of me

Ahnimus

NMyTree wrote:

You mean like calling women "stupid sluts"? You, god job in learning.

Correction: "You mean like calling a woman a "stupid slut"? You, good job at learning."

No, that's not what I mean.

NMyTree

You're so enlightened.:D:D:D


Oh that's right, you're not. Nevermind.

Ahnimus

Angelica, would you consider meditation to be anything like being "in the zone"?

I was always fascinated by this "zone" phenomena. I've become quite trained at exercising my ability to get into the "zone".

El_Kabong

angelica wrote:

If we don't understand the lens we look through, we definitely don't understand what we see.

.....

El_Kabong

angelica wrote:

I personally have not ever had an out of body experience.

you could always try DXM

Ahnimus

El_Kabong wrote:

angelica wrote:

If we don't understand the lens we look through, we definitely don't understand what we see

......

This is why I argue against free-will, it constitutes a lens.

However, I feel that is a communication error amongst the great minds that debate it.

Will, as in choice or volition, is not being argued. Free-will, as in complete freedom to make choice beyond any determinents is what's being argued.

gobrowns19

Ahnimus wrote:

Angelica, would you consider meditation to be anything like being "in the zone"?

I was always fascinated by this "zone" phenomena. I've become quite trained at exercising my ability to get into the "zone".

I've never been taught meditation or anything, but I've taught myself something that sounds like it would be similar to meditation. And I do it occasionally. I'm sure a lot of you have actually done something similar. I lay on my bed, looking up at the ceiling, and listen to something through ear buds [Abbey Road works best for me.] I close my eyes halfway after a while, trace my eyelashes with my eyes, trace the ceiling, lay my hands over my heart, and just think and relax. Eventually, I'll "snap out of it," and notice 40 minutes have gone by. I'll get back into it like it's nothing, but once I finally decide to get up, I feel so refreshed and just so good. Nothing really can bother you, and you really just feel refreshed.

So to answer your question, I would say yeah, it's in the same vein as being in the zone.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Angelica, would you consider meditation to be anything like being "in the zone"?

I was always fascinated by this "zone" phenomena. I've become quite trained at exercising my ability to get into the "zone".

Totally. I'm in the zone a lot. If you are referring to that state of heightened focus or awareness.

I think it's a continuum. To further degrees there is "cosmic consciousness" which was a term coined by a guy at your local psychiatric facility.

"Dr. Bucke, whose conclusions was presented in his remarkable book Cosmic Consciousness, was a descendent of Sir Richard Walpole, and was in the position of superintendent of the Asylum for the Insane at London, Ontario, Canada, for 25 years."
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/c/cosmic_consciousness.html