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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    that and the fact that i havent done jack shit for my brief due friday and im kinda bored with debating this topic with you. neither of us is going to budge. :)

    Cool, I just used Jack Shit in my post, he's a dork.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    i remember the days when a quarter would get you 5 laffy taffy's at the store...

    To be honest, I'm not sure a quarter will get you a cup of jack shit these days either.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    I miss fun chat-Animus who talks about cool futuristic enlightenment theories at 6am. :( MT Ahnimus is scary. :( ;)
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  • angelica wrote:
    I miss fun chat-Animus who talks about cool futuristic enlightenment theories at 6am. :( MT Ahnimus is scary. :( ;)


    lmao Yes!
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  • that and the fact that i havent done jack shit for my brief due friday and im kinda bored with debating this topic with you. neither of us is going to budge. :)

    what's the issue? are you restricted on lexis and westlaw? how do you like that book-research?
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  • MakingWavesMakingWaves Posts: 1,293
    belive him? i dont even understand what he's trying to say.

    Whew, I was thinking I was the only one who thought that.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    what's the issue? are you restricted on lexis and westlaw? how do you like that book-research?

    the issue is i dont want to write it, so i rant on here instead. i need to transfer my fire and passion from here to that paper and treat it like another rant responding to some dumb thread on the moving train ;)

    im done with westlaw and lexis. ive got the cases sitting right here, read them all, picked out the good stuff. just a matter of sucking it up and writing it.
  • the issue is i dont want to write it, so i rant on here instead. i need to transfer my fire and passion from here to that paper and treat it like another rant responding to some dumb thread on the moving train ;)

    im done with westlaw and lexis. ive got the cases sitting right here, read them all, picked out the good stuff. just a matter of sucking it up and writing it.

    i meant issue of the brief...not the issue with you writing it...hahaha. well, first year, we were locked out of westlaw and lexis except to a certain degree so we couldn't get law that would help us with our briefs (we had to use the books). people would hide the books and steal shit. it sucked! luckily, i had friends.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    i meant issue of the brief...not the issue with you writing it...hahaha. well, first year, we were locked out of westlaw and lexis except to a certain degree so we couldn't get law that would help us with our briefs (we had to use the books). people would hide the books and steal shit. it sucked! luckily, i had friends.

    oh wow, that sucks. no, we have no restrictions on lexis or westlaw. they want us to use them and leave it on the honor system for us not to look at briefs or anything. the issue is whether title ix should cover a homosexual client and if so was the school's response to harassment inadequate. it's actually pretty interesting. im just burned out and i might have gotten mono from my gf when she visited last weekend so it's tough to muster the energy to get rolling.
  • oh wow, that sucks. no, we have no restrictions on lexis or westlaw. they want us to use them and leave it on the honor system for us not to look at briefs or anything. the issue is whether title ix should cover a homosexual client and if so was the school's response to harassment inadequate. it's actually pretty interesting. im just burned out and i might have gotten mono from my gf when she visited last weekend so it's tough to muster the energy to get rolling.

    that is pretty interesting...is the school private or public?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Has anyone heard the Weird Al song Everything You Know Is Wrong?

    Here is a sample:
    I was driving on the freeway in the fast lane
    With a rabid wolverine in my underwear
    When suddenly a guy behind me in the back seat
    Popped right up and cupped his hands across my eyes

    I guessed, "Is it Uncle Frank or Cousin Louie?"
    "Is it Bob or Joe or Walter?"
    "Could it be Bill or Jim or Ed or Bernie or Steve?"
    I probably would have kept on guessing
    But about that time we crashed into the truck

    And as I'm laying bleeding there on the asphalt
    Finally I recognize the face of my hibachi dealer
    Who takes off his prosthetic lips and tells me

    Everything you know is wrong
    Black is white, up is down and short is long
    And everything you thought was just so
    Important doesn't matter

    Complete Lyrics

    I actually named it that way, because that's kind of the skeptic line of thought. Anything known could possibly be wrong, it ultimately leads to serious questioning and disbelief of supernatural theories. Many things have so much supporting them that it actually goes beyond skepticism. However, I'm fully open to the idea that there is a multiverse or parallel dimensions.

    So, the problem I have really, truly, with this theory, is almost too obvious. Maybe I'm not thinking deeply enough about this, but... Let's say other dimensions do exist, and let's also say that colored orbs open up portals to these dimensions. Wouldn't it be a well-known natural phenomena by now? We have millions of years behind us, surely something like this would be well documented and studied. Unless the portals are being manually opened by another intelligent species. Is that species that is more advanced than us really Bigfoot? I can't compute this, my processes are blocked, I got so many threads, I just don't have the resources for this. I give this a priority one, but it locks me up.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Sorry typo!

    Main Entry: prob·a·bi·lis·tic
    Pronunciation: "prä-b&-b&-'lis-tik
    Function: adjective
    1 : of or relating to probabilism
    2 : of, relating to, or based on probability
    - prob·a·bi·lis·ti·cal·ly adverb

    I use it so as not to sound definite, cause you know that can always be taken the wrong way. Though I suppose someone will say "You aren't too sure then are you." It's actually meant to be kind of a jab at the uncertainty principle in quantum physics. I like the word by it's self though :)

    You've got way too much time on your hands young man! ;)
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, the problem I have really, truly, with this theory, is almost too obvious. Maybe I'm not thinking deeply enough about this, but... Let's say other dimensions do exist, and let's also say that colored orbs open up portals to these dimensions. Wouldn't it be a well-known natural phenomena by now? We have millions of years behind us, surely something like this would be well documented and studied. Unless the portals are being manually opened by another intelligent species. Is that species that is more advanced than us really Bigfoot? I can't compute this, my processes are blocked, I got so many threads, I just don't have the resources for this. I give this a priority one, but it locks me up.

    You are dismissing multiverse theories because of this one guy who uses them for justifications for wild theories of his own? Anyway, even if these things he refers to did happen, are you aware how little about our world even only a milennia back that can be documented? How little of our world today we can document, even though we work our asses off at it? But I'm not defending this guy's peculiar theories, then I could just go back to reading Erich von Däniken again.

    Using this speculative stuff to slander multiverse theories is a stretch if that was your point. And if it was meant to slander faith, well, it doesnt do much of a job there either. Reading it as is without any intent, just makes me shrug really. Unsubstantiated and hard to prove statements from this one guy I dont know who are, although he's pushing a book, which makes me suspicious. Maybe he's honest and sincere, maybe he isn't. Wouldn't use it as basis for my worldview though.

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    You are dismissing multiverse theories because of this one guy who uses them for justifications for wild theories of his own? Anyway, even if these things he refers to did happen, are you aware how little about our world even only a milennia back that can be documented? How little of our world today we can document, even though we work our asses off at it? But I'm not defending this guy's peculiar theories, then I could just go back to reading Erich von Däniken again.

    Using this speculative stuff to slander multiverse theories is a stretch if that was your point. And if it was meant to slander faith, well, it doesnt do much of a job there either. Reading it as is without any intent, just makes me shrug really. Unsubstantiated and hard to prove statements from this one guy I dont know who are, although he's pushing a book, which makes me suspicious. Maybe he's honest and sincere, maybe he isn't. Wouldn't use it as basis for my worldview though.

    Peace
    Dan

    Nice signature quotes dude.
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Nice signature quotes dude.
    Thanks. They are meant to convey, respectively, how different perspectives give different meaning, my scepticism towards the belief in neverending linear (technological) progress and finally my scepticism towards absolutist claims of knowledge.

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Thanks. They are meant to convey, respectively, how different perspectives give different meaning, my scepticism towards the belief in neverending linear (technological) progress and finally my scepticism towards absolutist claims of knowledge.

    Peace
    Dan

    You'd probably appreciate Theodor Adorno's 'Negative Dialectics'. Although I warn you, it's not an easy read.
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Byrnzie wrote:
    You'd probably appreciate Theodor Adorno's 'Negative Dialectics'. Although I warn you, it's not an easy read.

    I have tried to read Adorno, but apart from a few essays, it gets too dense for me. Also he is often too much about music, where I really fall off. But I have had about the frankfurters and "the dialectic of the enlightenment" in school.

    If that book isn't too heavy on the music-side of things, I might check it out. But it is a common problem that the writers with the really interesting ideas write in an incredibly dense and hard language. This also goes for Habermas and Bourdieu.

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I have tried to read Adorno, but apart from a few essays, it gets too dense for me. Also he is often too much about music, where I really fall off. But I have had about the frankfurters and "the dialectic of the enlightenment" in school.

    If that book isn't too heavy on the music-side of things, I might check it out. But it is a common problem that the writers with the really interesting ideas write in an incredibly dense and hard language. This also goes for Habermas and Bourdieu.

    Peace
    Dan

    He wrote it as a response to Hannah Arendt's collection of essays 'Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil', and as a polemic against idealism, or the belief in the possiblility of absolute 'truth', such as the Nazi's 'truth', the Communists 'truth', or of the Christian 'truth'. He sees any and all idealism's as dangerous. It's an impossible read but the philosophy behind it is interesting.
  • Commy wrote:
    Maynard James Keenan.

    no, atheism is pretty unoriginal though, a form of nihilism. If its easier to believe in nothing that's fine...

    I know there is more to this world than what is commonly perceived.

    Atheism would indeed be pretty unoriginal if it was 'believing in nothing'... Of course, most atheists can tell you about the numerous things they do believe in, not least of which is the truly remarkable and somewhat confusing state of existence.

    We (atheists) just remain unconvinced of the merits of attempting to explain it all by calling upon some form higher power.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    that is pretty interesting...is the school private or public?

    public school in california.
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  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    How about this one to rattle your brain?

    From the great philosopher,

    "There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
    We also know there are unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns- the ones we don't know we don't know." -Donald Rumsfeld

    :D:D

    Very educational ;) from now on i must live by this theory :D:D:D
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    genie wrote:
    Very educational ;) from now on i must live by this theory :D:D:D

    Rumsfeld is an idiot. Copernicus said it way better "To know that we know what we know and to know that we do not know what we do not know, that is true knowledge."
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Rumsfeld is an idiot. Copernicus said it way better "To know that we know what we know and to know that we do not know what we do not know, that is true knowledge."

    thank you, :)
    right now my brain is giving off such a rattle i'm afraid i'll be attracting a lot of snakes pretty soon :D
  • genie wrote:
    thank you, :)
    right now my brain is giving off such a rattle i'm afraid i'll be attracting a lot of snakes pretty soon :D

    He's no Rummy but didn't that other great philosopher Socrates say,

    "I am wise because I know nothing." Maybe not directly...
    "She knows there is no success like failure
    And that failure's no success at all."

    "Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."

    "Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
    A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I like this one:

    If at first you don't succeed, destroy the evidence that you tried.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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