inconclusive in this case means that SOME people were able to perform but because everyone couldn't complete the experiment; an absolute conclusion could not be drawn. in other words; science could not explain it.
Actually it means that the results were null.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
and thus you insist your religion is the only way.
It's not a religion, there is no dogma, no doctrine, no belief system, no preacher. It's a highly personalized fact-value system based on observable facts. It's not a religion, it's a view of reality.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yeah right. It can't even get the weather forecast right. Science is good at what they can do, but their weak point is admitting that they don't know something.
Science has a strong tendency to say something doesn't if science hasn't figured out a way to measure it. Say the thermometer had never been invented. Science would tend to say that people were only experiencing hot or cold in their head. Since science wouldn't have a way to measure temperature they would say it doesn't exist.
Weather.. a fine example.
the weather report does a fantastic job of forcasting the weather.. Additionally they admit it is not an exact science, they provide additionaly percentages..
They are amazingly accurate .. so much more than you would be for planning your flying .. of picnics.. and they save lives..
Yet you conclude that they do a bad job because sometimes your wishes or guesses were on the losing side of the odds....
Of course you are not the only one... it is very common to bash the weather folks while always relying on them on a day to day basis..
the weather report does a fantastic job of forcasting the weather.. Additionally they admit it is not an exact science, they provide additionaly percentages..
They are amazingly accurate .. so much more than you would be for planning your flying .. of picnics.. and they save lives..
Yet you conclude that they do a bad job because sometimes your wishes or guesses were on the losing side of the odds....
Of course you are not the only one... it is very common to bash the weather folks while always relying on them on a day to day basis..
This is an example of why there can be not truth
Well I can look out my window and be just accurate just as often as the scientific weather forecaster. And yes, I've tested this.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Well I can look out my window and be just accurate just as often as the scientific weather forecaster. And yes, I've tested this.
Unless your going to Corpus Cristie and the forecast a hurrican for the area.
My mother was going to go there, but saw a hurricane on the weather forecast. So she didn't go. The hurricane did hit Corpus Cristie at the time forecasted.
Weather prediction is probabilistic because there is so many determinants and the system is chaotic. I think they do a good job though.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Are you saying it's untrue that science says what they cannot prove does not exist? An example: spiritual experiences. Science is not equipped to understand them yet, and science's way of dealing with that is to decide they are an illness. edit: because science cannot prove or conceive of the validity of a spiritual experience, science believes it's inability to be a factual understanding, and all kinds of spiritual emergence experiences are treated as a flaw/illness rather than as what they are that is truly appreciated by disciplines beyond science.
Tell me something, if a person is having spiritual experiences, why, wouldn't they seek out their priest? "Usually" when a person has had a spiritual experience it's because something has affected them is a very emotional way. This would seem like the time to call upon the church.
The event is usually an event of survival or tragedy so a person is being treated physically while trying to deal emotionally. This is were family, friends and a person's church has to play a role, not a rocket scientist.
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Tell me something, if a person is having spiritual experiences, why, wouldn't they seek out their priest? "Usually" when a person has had a spiritual experience it's because something has affected them is a very emotional way. This would seem like the time to call upon the church.
The event is usually an event of survival or tragedy so a person is being treated physically while trying to deal emotionally. This is were family, friends and a person's church has to play a role, not a rocket scientist.
Actually the situations you describe may have neurological implications. Traumatic stress can lead to cortisol damage of the amygdala as well as some frontal lobe regions of the brain.
But, I forgot, a priest can heal the brain by punching someone in the forehead.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Tell me something, if a person is having spiritual experiences, why, wouldn't they seek out their priest? "Usually" when a person has had a spiritual experience it's because something has affected them is a very emotional way. This would seem like the time to call upon the church.
Many do consult with clerygy-folk. Others find other ways to help understand such dramatically unusual experiences--ie various movements. Some manage quite well on their own. Some are not so lucky, and already have very flimsy life coping mechanisms, and are entered into or further diagnosed within the mental healthy community. In my case, my spiritual experiences were quite different than what I was taught in church. For me to have gone to a church would have been like me consulting a crawling infant in trying to learn to run faster.
The event is usually an event of survival or tragedy so a person is being treated physically while trying to deal emotionally. This is were family, friends and a person's church has to play a role, not a rocket scientist.
First of all, while sometimes these events are precipitated by tragedy or survival, none of my spiritual experiences were. And the same goes in innumerable other cases. I'm wondering what your expertise is that you have these presumptions of "usually" regarding spiritual experiences and or delusions etc. What you allude to, in terms of finding other supports outside the medical system, points to the essential problem: our society, based upon a few hundred years of scientism including pervasive "objectivity" at the expense of integrated brain awareness, has by and large objectified human experience. This has permeated all levels of society, including family and church and all disciplines. While I did not personally consult clergy, in the natural course of my exuberance re: my experiences, my athiest family members pathologized my experience based on the science models of psychiatry, as per their ignorant lay-person views. Like Ahnimus does, or like lucylespian pathologizes Jesus' spiritual experiences.
I've actually found the psychiatric and psychology professions, in contrast, quite responsible in not crossing certain fine lines and invalidating people's experiences, excepting for the overview that spiritual experience equals delusion and therefore illness, which is big in that sense. Most health care workers go by what they are taught because the "expertise" filters 'down' to them. They are not equipped to discern such things. Again, it's the lack of general brain function balance at this time that has us distorted and imbalanced us in the western world as a whole. The mentally ill or others who step beyond the acceptable bounds of normal are merely exaggerations and reflections of problems in the systems. While the "norm" sleeps peacefully, they have the illusion it's all okay, and such problems are for others to be concerned with, people just don't recognize we all suffer for our ignorance.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
How can you be sure that your experience weren't psychotic?
Seriously now, you claim that people like me are ignorant laypersons. But perhaps you are the ignorant one, caught up in your dreams like so many millions before you. Your view of reality is nothing new, but it's been proven time and time again to be merely psychotic delusion.
I know you take offense to these words, but that's what it is. As much as you dislike hearing them. I dislike even more your assertion that science is flawed and that people who take an objective view of reality are ignorant.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
How can you be sure that your experience weren't psychotic?
Seriously now, you claim that people like me are ignorant laypersons. But perhaps you are the ignorant one, caught up in your dreams like so many millions before you. Your view of reality is nothing new, but it's been proven time and time again to be merely psychotic delusion.
I know you take offense to these words, but that's what it is. As much as you dislike hearing them. I dislike even more your assertion that science is flawed and that people who take an objective view of reality are ignorant.
I've answered this numerous times for you. Your guess at what I went through is merely that. Since science is unable to go beyond the chemical aspect and the ramifications of that in terms of practical applications, any view besides that is fair game. So, if I tell you I went to a play last night and that I had a great time and that it was otherworldly, and you said: "no it wasn't, it was psychotic", I am going to trust my perception because I am the only one who experienced it. You judging something you didn't experience is apparently fine for your tentative lay-theory. However, I order my personal experiences as they happen for me.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
who needs drugs when you can read stuff like this. I feel like I'm tripping just reading some of this stuff.
You need drugs to even write stuff like this....ahahaa!
well maybe not...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I've answered this numerous times for you. Your guess at what I went through is merely that. Since science is unable to go beyond the chemical aspect and the ramifications of that in terms of practical applications, any view besides that is fair game. So, if I tell you I went to a play last night and that I had a great time and that it was otherworldly, and you said: "no it wasn't, it was psychotic", I am going to trust my perception because I am the only one who experienced it. You judging something you didn't experience is apparently fine for your tentative lay-theory. However, I order my personal experiences as they happen for me.
So, you are looking at it through the lense of human perception which is far more flawed than any scientific perspective.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I've answered this numerous times for you. Your guess at what I went through is merely that. Since science is unable to go beyond the chemical aspect and the ramifications of that in terms of practical applications, any view besides that is fair game. So, if I tell you I went to a play last night and that I had a great time and that it was otherworldly, and you said: "no it wasn't, it was psychotic", I am going to trust my perception because I am the only one who experienced it. You judging something you didn't experience is apparently fine for your tentative lay-theory. However, I order my personal experiences as they happen for me.
i get it angelica. and i'm sure many others get it too. at this point your talking to a wall.
no disrespect intended to anyone; but my grandfather used to say:
never try to teach a pig to sing. it annoys the pig and wastes your time.
How can you be sure that your experience weren't psychotic?
I've agreed my experiences fit in the category of psychotic, for sure. I've agreed numerous times now. Whatever it is that allowed me to lose touch with the consensual reality is losing touch with what everyone considers reality.
What I am saying is that from the beginning just about 13 years ago, these experiences consistently showed me my life from a different angle, which consistently taught me how to climb out of the torture of my life, to an empowered degree. What I am saying is that although I've had numerous distorted mental health issues along the way my ability to lose touch with reality, and experience the spiritual, including the plethora of personal growth I've uncovered from these experiences, have been 100% enlightening. They can by no means be considered illness or otherwise negatively connoted.
And my siblings who once thought I was completely delusional believing I would heal are now very humbled just being in my presence. My glowing health and activated intelligence and empowerment has forced them to rethink the scientistic structures they once relied on to filter information.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
i get it angelica. and i'm sure many others get it too. at this point your talking to a wall.
no disrespect intended to anyone; but my grandfather used to say:
never try to teach a pig to sing. it annoys the pig and wastes your time.
There is a difference between a wall and knowing that human percpeption is extremely flawed.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i get it angelica. and i'm sure many others get it too. at this point your talking to a wall.
no disrespect intended to anyone; but my grandfather used to say:
never try to teach a pig to sing. it annoys the pig and wastes your time.
and people meat makes for terrible bacon
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I've agreed my experiences fit in the category of psychotic, for sure. I've agreed numerous times now. Whatever it is that allowed me to lose touch with the consensual reality is losing touch with what everyone considers reality.
What I am saying is that from the beginning just about 13 years ago, these experiences consistently showed me my life from a different angle, which consistently taught me how to climb out of the torture of my life, to an empowered degree. What I am saying is that although I've had numerous distorted mental health issues along the way my ability to lose touch with reality, and experience the spiritual, including the plethora of personal growth I've uncovered from these experiences, have been 100% enlightening. They can by no means be considered illness or otherwise negatively connoted.
And my siblings who once thought I was completely delusional believing I would heal are now very humbled just being in my presence. My glowing health and activated intelligence and empowerment has forced them to rethink the scientistic structures they once relied on to filter information.
The term psychotic doesn't have negative connotations, it's just one more piece of evidence of how your perception is flawed. Read what a psychotic experience is. Now, many mental health professionals will allow you to believe the psychotic experience was real for you to heal.
But, we are discussing what is real, not what is in your head.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It's not a religion, there is no dogma, no doctrine, no belief system, no preacher. It's a highly personalized fact-value system based on observable facts. It's not a religion, it's a view of reality.
YOU are the preacher. look back at your posts. you said have FAITH in science and this is obviouly your belief system. doctrine is in the scientific conclusions; so there you have it.
i get it angelica. and i'm sure many others get it too. at this point your talking to a wall.
no disrespect intended to anyone; but my grandfather used to say:
never try to teach a pig to sing. it annoys the pig and wastes your time.
Thanks onelongsong for your support. I realize only those with the ability to see and understand will. You either get it or you don't.
I find I learn a lot debating these issues, and it helps me to define my own understandings on the subject. If others read it or not, believe it or not, that's out of my hands.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
So, you are looking at it through the lense of human perception which is far more flawed than any scientific perspective.
Um.....sorry..........just skimming through and noticed this one and couldn't let it pass.
Isn't scientific perspective and science just humans doing? AND therefore would be through the "lense of human perception"? AND also just as open to flaws and interpretation? Yes scientists study a great deal to understand and further advance the theories on the science they are studying but they also have flaws and make mistakes just like the rest of us. THEY are only HUMAN after all.
The term psychotic doesn't have negative connotations, it's just one more piece of evidence of how your perception is flawed. Read what a psychotic experience is. Now, many mental health professionals will allow you to believe the psychotic experience was real for you to heal.
But, we are discussing what is real, not what is in your head.
My dispute is with the illness-slant science, yourself and others are giving it. Again: I have no problem with the term psychosis in of itself. The idea that losing touch with reality is a negative thing, or not real, or illness is where I draw the boundary.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
My dispute is with the illness-slant science, yourself and others are giving it. Again: I have no problem with the term psychosis in of itself. The idea that losing touch with reality is a negative thing, or not real, or illness is where I draw the boundary.
I'm saying in your case it was probably a good thing. But it's no basis for a belief in reality. You preach on here constantly about how science is bullshit because people don't use their whole brain. I call bullshit, brain scans show the whole brain being in use. I mean, I think you are just flat out wrong.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
My dispute is with the illness-slant science, yourself and others are giving it. Again: I have no problem with the term psychosis in of itself. The idea that losing touch with reality is a negative thing, or not real, or illness is where I draw the boundary.
There are two ways psychosis is "bad" in terms of experience:
1) when a person has all kinds of ingrained cultural ideas and psychological conflicts that confuse the situation and create all kinds of fallout within the persons worldview. This is the typical negative stuff associated with psychosis.
2)When people around the person having the experience encourage them to frame the experience in a way that is unhealthy, or that does not empower the person, such as using illness, "your'e flawed" or "there is something wrong with you" terminology'; negative thinking..ie: you can't recover, it's who you are; criticism, and other ignorant and power-imbalanced methods that contribute to the occurence of mental health issues in our society.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I'm saying in your case it was probably a good thing. But it's no basis for a belief in reality. You preach on here constantly about how science is bullshit because people don't use their whole brain. I call bullshit, brain scans show the whole brain being in use. I mean, I think you are just flat out wrong.
If you are going to twist what I say, then it is going to look like a distorted view to you.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Um.....sorry..........just skimming through and noticed this one and couldn't let it pass.
Isn't scientific perspective and science just humans doing? AND therefore would be through the "lense of human perception"? AND also just as open to flaws and interpretation? Yes scientists study a great deal to understand and further advance the theories on the science they are studying but they also have flaws and make mistakes just like the rest of us. THEY are only HUMAN after all.
great point Jeanie.
science is, in essence, humanity's best attempt [yet...] at purifying and validating the phenomenon of perception and all of the effects [from the data] that perceiving creates.
we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
to dust i guess,
forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
If you are going to twist what I say, then it is going to look like a distorted view to you.
See, this is what you do, you claim there is more than meets the eye. Then you fall back into this, well there isn't. Everything is everyting and nothing at the same time. Two spheres transcend each other, rely on each other and independent and exist within the whole of holons and mind and blah blah blah. None of it makes any sense. All you do is distort everything with a theory that you don't seem to understand yourself. It contradicts it's self, it offers nothing.
Every thread has something to do with your theory of everything that means nothing, does nothing, consists of nothing and is nothing. You are trying to prove science as a study of reality is flawed because it doesn't account for your delusions. It's just pathetic.
So, how is this delusion good for you? You push the idea on people, they believe it and now they are delusional. Sounds a lot like Christianity to me. You have a faith in something you cannot prove, there is no evidence for it, you promise greater enlightenment and control over life. Write yourself a book, claim it was written by Abdul Ahzarif and you can get people to commit suicide at the next meteor shower.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
science is, in essence, humanity's best attempt [yet...] at purifying and validating the phenomenon of perception and all of the effects [from the data] that perceiving creates.
Yea, well, science doesn't duke it out over something is red, pink or green. It actually measures the physical photons. Human percpetion is the grey area of disagreement. No, science goes beneath human percpetion to objective reality, that includes studying human percpetion and control mechanisms are used to eliminate any error in human perception during scientific discovery.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
See, this is what you do, you claim there is more than meets the eye. Then you fall back into this, well there isn't. Everything is everyting and nothing at the same time. Two spheres transcend each other, rely on each other and independent and exist within the whole of holons and mind and blah blah blah. None of it makes any sense. All you do is distort everything with a theory that you don't seem to understand yourself. It contradicts it's self, it offers nothing.
Every thread has something to do with your theory of everything that means nothing, does nothing, consists of nothing and is nothing. You are trying to prove science as a study of reality is flawed because it doesn't account for your delusions. It's just pathetic.
So, how is this delusion good for you? You push the idea on people, they believe it and now they are delusional. Sounds a lot like Christianity to me. You have a faith in something you cannot prove, there is no evidence for it, you promise greater enlightenment and control over life. Write yourself a book, claim it was written by Abdul Ahzarif and you can get people to commit suicide at the next meteor shower.
I'm sharing my view and my experiences. I don't push my view on anyone. It's an alternative one that I put out there. People choose for themselves.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Yea, well, science doesn't duke it out over something is red, pink or green. It actually measures the physical photons. Human percpetion is the grey area of disagreement. No, science goes beneath human percpetion to objective reality, that includes studying human percpetion and control mechanisms are used to eliminate any error in human perception during scientific discovery.
Yes, when you conveniently remove the human scientist doing the observing, as Jeanie pointed out. yes, then it seems objective, but in reality it isn't.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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Actually it means that the results were null.
It's not a religion, there is no dogma, no doctrine, no belief system, no preacher. It's a highly personalized fact-value system based on observable facts. It's not a religion, it's a view of reality.
Weather.. a fine example.
the weather report does a fantastic job of forcasting the weather.. Additionally they admit it is not an exact science, they provide additionaly percentages..
They are amazingly accurate .. so much more than you would be for planning your flying .. of picnics.. and they save lives..
Yet you conclude that they do a bad job because sometimes your wishes or guesses were on the losing side of the odds....
Of course you are not the only one... it is very common to bash the weather folks while always relying on them on a day to day basis..
This is an example of why there can be not truth
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Unless your going to Corpus Cristie and the forecast a hurrican for the area.
My mother was going to go there, but saw a hurricane on the weather forecast. So she didn't go. The hurricane did hit Corpus Cristie at the time forecasted.
Weather prediction is probabilistic because there is so many determinants and the system is chaotic. I think they do a good job though.
Tell me something, if a person is having spiritual experiences, why, wouldn't they seek out their priest? "Usually" when a person has had a spiritual experience it's because something has affected them is a very emotional way. This would seem like the time to call upon the church.
The event is usually an event of survival or tragedy so a person is being treated physically while trying to deal emotionally. This is were family, friends and a person's church has to play a role, not a rocket scientist.
Actually the situations you describe may have neurological implications. Traumatic stress can lead to cortisol damage of the amygdala as well as some frontal lobe regions of the brain.
But, I forgot, a priest can heal the brain by punching someone in the forehead.
First of all, while sometimes these events are precipitated by tragedy or survival, none of my spiritual experiences were. And the same goes in innumerable other cases. I'm wondering what your expertise is that you have these presumptions of "usually" regarding spiritual experiences and or delusions etc. What you allude to, in terms of finding other supports outside the medical system, points to the essential problem: our society, based upon a few hundred years of scientism including pervasive "objectivity" at the expense of integrated brain awareness, has by and large objectified human experience. This has permeated all levels of society, including family and church and all disciplines. While I did not personally consult clergy, in the natural course of my exuberance re: my experiences, my athiest family members pathologized my experience based on the science models of psychiatry, as per their ignorant lay-person views. Like Ahnimus does, or like lucylespian pathologizes Jesus' spiritual experiences.
I've actually found the psychiatric and psychology professions, in contrast, quite responsible in not crossing certain fine lines and invalidating people's experiences, excepting for the overview that spiritual experience equals delusion and therefore illness, which is big in that sense. Most health care workers go by what they are taught because the "expertise" filters 'down' to them. They are not equipped to discern such things. Again, it's the lack of general brain function balance at this time that has us distorted and imbalanced us in the western world as a whole. The mentally ill or others who step beyond the acceptable bounds of normal are merely exaggerations and reflections of problems in the systems. While the "norm" sleeps peacefully, they have the illusion it's all okay, and such problems are for others to be concerned with, people just don't recognize we all suffer for our ignorance.
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How can you be sure that your experience weren't psychotic?
Seriously now, you claim that people like me are ignorant laypersons. But perhaps you are the ignorant one, caught up in your dreams like so many millions before you. Your view of reality is nothing new, but it's been proven time and time again to be merely psychotic delusion.
I know you take offense to these words, but that's what it is. As much as you dislike hearing them. I dislike even more your assertion that science is flawed and that people who take an objective view of reality are ignorant.
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You need drugs to even write stuff like this....ahahaa!
well maybe not...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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So, you are looking at it through the lense of human perception which is far more flawed than any scientific perspective.
i get it angelica. and i'm sure many others get it too. at this point your talking to a wall.
no disrespect intended to anyone; but my grandfather used to say:
never try to teach a pig to sing. it annoys the pig and wastes your time.
What I am saying is that from the beginning just about 13 years ago, these experiences consistently showed me my life from a different angle, which consistently taught me how to climb out of the torture of my life, to an empowered degree. What I am saying is that although I've had numerous distorted mental health issues along the way my ability to lose touch with reality, and experience the spiritual, including the plethora of personal growth I've uncovered from these experiences, have been 100% enlightening. They can by no means be considered illness or otherwise negatively connoted.
And my siblings who once thought I was completely delusional believing I would heal are now very humbled just being in my presence. My glowing health and activated intelligence and empowerment has forced them to rethink the scientistic structures they once relied on to filter information.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
There is a difference between a wall and knowing that human percpeption is extremely flawed.
and people meat makes for terrible bacon
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
The term psychotic doesn't have negative connotations, it's just one more piece of evidence of how your perception is flawed. Read what a psychotic experience is. Now, many mental health professionals will allow you to believe the psychotic experience was real for you to heal.
But, we are discussing what is real, not what is in your head.
YOU are the preacher. look back at your posts. you said have FAITH in science and this is obviouly your belief system. doctrine is in the scientific conclusions; so there you have it.
I find I learn a lot debating these issues, and it helps me to define my own understandings on the subject. If others read it or not, believe it or not, that's out of my hands.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Um.....sorry..........just skimming through and noticed this one and couldn't let it pass.
Isn't scientific perspective and science just humans doing? AND therefore would be through the "lense of human perception"? AND also just as open to flaws and interpretation? Yes scientists study a great deal to understand and further advance the theories on the science they are studying but they also have flaws and make mistakes just like the rest of us. THEY are only HUMAN after all.
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Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
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I'm saying in your case it was probably a good thing. But it's no basis for a belief in reality. You preach on here constantly about how science is bullshit because people don't use their whole brain. I call bullshit, brain scans show the whole brain being in use. I mean, I think you are just flat out wrong.
1) when a person has all kinds of ingrained cultural ideas and psychological conflicts that confuse the situation and create all kinds of fallout within the persons worldview. This is the typical negative stuff associated with psychosis.
2)When people around the person having the experience encourage them to frame the experience in a way that is unhealthy, or that does not empower the person, such as using illness, "your'e flawed" or "there is something wrong with you" terminology'; negative thinking..ie: you can't recover, it's who you are; criticism, and other ignorant and power-imbalanced methods that contribute to the occurence of mental health issues in our society.
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great point Jeanie.
science is, in essence, humanity's best attempt [yet...] at purifying and validating the phenomenon of perception and all of the effects [from the data] that perceiving creates.
to dust i guess,
forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
See, this is what you do, you claim there is more than meets the eye. Then you fall back into this, well there isn't. Everything is everyting and nothing at the same time. Two spheres transcend each other, rely on each other and independent and exist within the whole of holons and mind and blah blah blah. None of it makes any sense. All you do is distort everything with a theory that you don't seem to understand yourself. It contradicts it's self, it offers nothing.
Every thread has something to do with your theory of everything that means nothing, does nothing, consists of nothing and is nothing. You are trying to prove science as a study of reality is flawed because it doesn't account for your delusions. It's just pathetic.
So, how is this delusion good for you? You push the idea on people, they believe it and now they are delusional. Sounds a lot like Christianity to me. You have a faith in something you cannot prove, there is no evidence for it, you promise greater enlightenment and control over life. Write yourself a book, claim it was written by Abdul Ahzarif and you can get people to commit suicide at the next meteor shower.
Yea, well, science doesn't duke it out over something is red, pink or green. It actually measures the physical photons. Human percpetion is the grey area of disagreement. No, science goes beneath human percpetion to objective reality, that includes studying human percpetion and control mechanisms are used to eliminate any error in human perception during scientific discovery.
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