Sexual Self-Deception

Ahnimus

Um. I posted this case-study last night and it appear to be deleted. Are we not allowed to talk about how people's brains deceive them and even to the point that a person might claim rape, while simultaneously be a willing participant?

I'm kind of saddened that the truth cannot be known if it isn't comfortable. Or maybe there is some other reason the thread is gone.

Well, it is here at the last article on this page for those that like truth
http://brainmind.com/ConfabulationDenial.html

VictoryGin

hmmm, i'm thinking a cover involving some ripped douche with long hair blowing in the wind with a shirt that starts being buttoned about 4 down. and some tight pants accentuating the buldge. maybe also throw in a woman resticted by her corset and layers of fabric. slap a cover on this shit and maybe set it in the 1800s and it can go right alongside all of the other trashy piece of shit books out there. because this sure isn't credible science.

Ahnimus

VictoryGin wrote:

hmmm, i'm thinking a cover involving some ripped douche with long hair blowing in the wind with a shirt that starts being buttoned about 4 down. and some tight pants accentuating the buldge. maybe also throw in a woman resticted by her corset and layers of fabric. slap a cover on this shit and maybe set it in the 1800s and it can go right alongside all of the other trashy piece of shit books out there. because this sure isn't credible science.

Basically the exact thing described in the article happened with me and my girlfriend as teenagers.

I agree that there is an aura about the website, maybe it's all the books on neurotheology that are linked on it, but I'm quite confident that the theory is accurate in principle.

Judging by your review, I'd say you took it personally. Taking into consideration what the article has said. You might be confabulating and in denial now.

VictoryGin

Ahnimus wrote:

Basically the exact thing described in the article happened with me and my girlfriend as teenagers.

I agree that there is an aura about the website, maybe it's all the books on neurotheology that are linked on it, but I'm quite confident that the theory is accurate in principle.

Judging by your review, I'd say you took it personally. Taking into consideration what the article has said. You might be confabulating and in denial now.

honestly i'm not going to get into this article because i find it *that* ridiculous. and one reason for that is we don't hear from jennifer in this case study. it's all what r. joseph or whateverthedouche says and projects upon the situation. it reads like a trashy book not a case study.

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

Basically the exact thing described in the article happened with me and my girlfriend as teenagers.

I agree that there is an aura about the website, maybe it's all the books on neurotheology that are linked on it, but I'm quite confident that the theory is accurate in principle.

Judging by your review, I'd say you took it personally. Taking into consideration what the article has said. You might be confabulating and in denial now.

dude; give it a rest. take a holiday somewhere and relax a bit. get out and have some fun. well; that's my Rx anyway.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

dude; give it a rest. take a holiday somewhere and relax a bit. get out and have some fun. well; that's my Rx anyway.

Are you telling me that ignorance is bliss?

It is better to not know, even at the expense of others?

Ahnimus

VictoryGin wrote:

honestly i'm not going to get into this article because i find it *that* ridiculous. and one reason for that is we don't hear from jennifer in this case study. it's all what r. joseph or whateverthedouche says and projects upon the situation. it reads like a trashy book not a case study.

I agree with you, which is why I posted it here, because you all like trashy shit. You pay less attention to actual scientific papers than you do to science fiction.

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

Are you telling me that ignorance is bliss?

It is better to not know, even at the expense of others?

i'm saying you need some time off. you spew this babble on every thread day in and day out. you've convinced yourself that someone is listening even though you're bombarded with opposition. from one friend to another; i think you need a vacation.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

i'm saying you need some time off. you spew this babble on every thread day in and day out. you've convinced yourself that someone is listening even though you're bombarded with opposition. from one friend to another; i think you need a vacation.

I often take a break for one or two days. In fact, almost every weekend. I only typically post on here when I am at work.

And babble is fact, but I know you will never believe it. Sometime in the future the new paradigm will prevail.

angelica

VictoryGin wrote:

hmmm, i'm thinking a cover involving some ripped douche with long hair blowing in the wind with a shirt that starts being buttoned about 4 down. and some tight pants accentuating the buldge. maybe also throw in a woman resticted by her corset and layers of fabric. slap a cover on this shit and maybe set it in the 1800s and it can go right alongside all of the other trashy piece of shit books out there. because this sure isn't credible science.

This is Ahnimus' way of asserting a "Nihilist" viewpoint, whereupon a person's sense of self--the ego, being the person's conscious awareness and choices--has been devalued to the point where it no longer is given any credibility.

catefrances

okay i read the story of jennifer. it sounds to me like buyer's remorse. if the incident went down like it says, jennifer has woken up the next day and realised how much she has compromised herself and her parents' respect and expectations of her and called 'rape'.
but as someone said we don't have jennifer's side of the story, so my interpretation of the event is skewed and biased.

NMyTree

Where's there any evidence that anything on that webpage is the "truth"?

Ahnimus

Ok, I'll give you that this is bullshit. I did a bit of research on Rhawn Joseph and he is a quack.

catefrances

it did get a little salacious in parts didnt it? that was probably a heads up.

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

it did get a little salacious in parts didnt it? that was probably a heads up.

Self-deception is still a reality, regardless whether or not this article is flawed.

Jeanie

Ahnimus wrote:

Ok, I'll give you that this is bullshit. I did a bit of research on Rhawn Joseph and he is a quack.

Thank you. Glad you did, and that you are acknowledging the slant. I was starting to worry.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Self-deception is still a reality, regardless whether or not this article is flawed.

We know. You show us plenty of evidence every day!

Ahnimus

Jeanie wrote:

Thank you. Glad you did, and that you are acknowledging the slant. I was starting to worry.

confabulation and self-deception are still a reality in every human brain. Sexual self-deception still exists beyond a shadow of a doubt.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

confabulation and self-deception are still a reality in every human brain. Sexual self-deception still exists beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I agree with you.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

I agree with you.

I've watched the first 4 lectures in Rhawn Joseph's series of brain anatomy lectures and there are no lies in it that I've noticed. Of course, he's giving the lectures for a class. While he does weird supernaturalism type stuff on the side, and threatens other writers like Susan Blackmore. I don't doubt that his university lectures are on target and he knows a lot about the brain. This article could be 100% accurate. But for the sake of skepticism and face, I'll give that it's probably bullshit.

Jeanie

Ahnimus wrote:

confabulation and self-deception are still a reality in every human brain.

Well I hardly think me, the queen of de nile :rolleyes:, would ever argue against you there.

Ahnimus wrote:

Sexual self-deception still exists beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I guess I'll leave this one alone. Not because I necessarily disagree with you, but more because I'm not sure I trust your interpretations readily. No biggy, I'm quite sure it will have no effect on you whatsoever.

Ahnimus

Jeanie wrote:

I guess I'll leave this one alone. Not because I necessarily disagree with you, but more because I'm not sure I trust your interpretations readily. No biggy, I'm quite sure it will have no effect on you whatsoever.

You can always argue in the negative like Angelica.

Jeanie

Ahnimus wrote:

You can always argue in the negative like Angelica.

I could, or I could leave it.

It's the weekend, I've had 3 hours sleep, and it's not really a burning issue in my day right now.

I'm sure angel will keep you on your toes if you're bored!

Ahnimus

Jeanie wrote:

I could, or I could leave it.

It's the weekend, I've had 3 hours sleep, and it's not really a burning issue in my day right now.

I'm sure angel will keep you on your toes if you're bored!

Hmm, I don't know. As long as I'm posting here, I'm not learning anything. I'm having trouble paying attention to this Churchland interview http://thesciencenetwork.org/

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

I've watched the first 4 lectures in Rhawn Joseph's series of brain anatomy lectures and there are no lies in it that I've noticed. Of course, he's giving the lectures for a class. While he does weird supernaturalism type stuff on the side, and threatens other writers like Susan Blackmore. I don't doubt that his university lectures are on target and he knows a lot about the brain. This article could be 100% accurate. But for the sake of skepticism and face, I'll give that it's probably bullshit.

I'm not vouching for this guy in any way shape or form. It's just been clear to me that self-deception is very obvious. And sexual self-deception as well.

The key point, though, is that it is a person's conscious awareness that must be respected at all times, no matter what their unconscious body language says. This is why it is being taught to teens, the importance of the word "no" and to males, the necessity of getting verbal agreement for sex, rather than accepting body language when receiving mixed signals. What is verbal goes through the ego and conscious awareness. A person cannot consciously control what they are unconscious of.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

I'm not vouching for this guy in any way shape or form. It's just been clear to me that self-deception is very obvious. And sexual self-deception as well.

The key point, though, is that it is a person's conscious awareness that must be respected at all times, no matter what their unconscious body language says. This is why it is being taught to teens, the importance of the word "no" and to males, the necessity of getting verbal agreement for sex, rather than accepting body language when receiving mixed signals. What is verbal goes through the ego and conscious awareness. A person cannot consciously control what they are unconscious of.

It sounds like you are suggesting that an intoxicated male mind is more capable and hence more responsible than an intoxicated female mind.

Jeanie

Ahnimus wrote:

Hmm, I don't know. As long as I'm posting here, I'm not learning anything. I'm having trouble paying attention to this Churchland interview http://thesciencenetwork.org/

Well you are. You are learning to interact with a wide variety of people and their opinions. Always beneficial.

Now I've taken a peek at your link, but I have to say Ryan, sorry but it's no match for Eddie and friends on youtube today.

If you're struggling to pay attention it may be that you are fatigued.
In which case you may be better served saving it for a time when your brain is more receptive.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

It sounds like you are suggesting that an intoxicated male mind is more capable and hence more responsible than an intoxicated female mind.

What I'm saying is that individuals on either sides can learn from what is taught from date-rape education, or they can live with the consequences of not learning from it. From the sounds of it for you, it hasn't been a lot of fun living with the consequences of being accused of date-rape or whatever the actual accusation was. I also don't know the situation.

If a male truth is "I'm gonna get me some", and the girl says "no", and the male follows his drives rather than logic, there is a chance some negative stuff will go down, and potentially legally as well. It takes two people to agree and only one to disagree. It is what it is. I personally don't blame a person involved for being who they are, and for their drives. We as a society deny the powerful drives we have unconsciously. We think we are a society of civilized people, but really that is one of the illusions we tell ourselves. Ultimately, though, there are still consequences for such actions. And the person who acts out "rape" is the one accountable for that rape.

I've also been jumped all over for my views on this board by the women, because I had been date-raped/raped in numerous ways in my life. And at one point, when I changed my behaviours, I stopped attracting that to me. I have publicly said on this board that we contract for those incidences with our "presence" in the situations--women, too. If someone sexually assaults me against my will, I am not responsible for the sexual assault. And yet, I must live through the experience anyway--I experience consequences for being in the wrong place. Due to this, I recommend women take many steps to ensure they are safe from animal drives. And that we teach our daughters to be safe, and to be conscious of sexual awareness--not just the sugar-coated kind. And I particularly advocate women not giving away their consciousness to alcohol, when there is any chance they could happen upon a compromising situation. Dulling down our insights and intuition and ability to consciously choose is not a way to ensure our own safety.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

What I'm saying is that individuals on either sides can learn from what is taught from date-rape education, or they can live with the consequences of not learning from it. From the sounds of it for you, it hasn't been a lot of fun living with the consequences of being accused of date-rape or whatever the actual accusation was. I also don't know the situation.

If a male truth is "I'm gonna get me some", and the girl says "no", and the male follows his drives rather than logic, there is a chance some negative stuff will go down, and potentially legally as well. It takes two people to agree and only one to disagree. It is what it is. I personally don't blame a person involved for being who they are, and for their drives. We as a society deny the powerful drives we have unconsciously. We think we are a society of civilized people, but really that is one of the illusions we tell ourselves. Ultimately, though, there are still consequences for such actions. And the person who acts out "rape" is the one accountable for that rape.

I've also been jumped all over for my views on this board by the women, because I had been date-raped/raped in numerous ways in my life. And at one point, when I changed my behaviours, I stopped attracting that to me. I have publicly said on this board that we contract for those incidences with our "presence" in the situations--women, too. If someone sexually assaults me against my will, I am not responsible for the sexual assault. And yet, I must live through the experience anyway--I experience consequences for being in the wrong place. Due to this, I recommend women take many steps to ensure they are safe from animal drives. And that we teach our daughters to be safe, and to be conscious of sexual awareness--not just the sugar-coated kind. And I particularly advocate women not giving away their consciousness to alcohol, when there is any chance they could happen upon a compromising situation. Dulling down our insights and intuition and ability to consciously choose is not a way to ensure our own safety.

It stands to reason that a male under the influence of alcohol can be taken over by his limbic system, and since the sexual drive in men is so potent. "No" might mean nothing at all. This is not an excuse, but a potential reality!

It's very easy to say one should not do something, or that one should be conscious of and heed the wishes of others. But is in fact something entirely different to expect that to occur in every case. Some people have more self-control than others and I submit that this is a fact of evolution and not personal choice.

prism

Ahnimus wrote:

It stands to reason that a male under the influence of alcohol can be taken over by his limbic system, and since the sexual drive in men is so potent. "No" might mean nothing at all. This is not an excuse, but a potential reality!

It's very easy to say one should not do something, or that one should be conscious of and heed the wishes of others. But is in fact something entirely different to expect that to occur in every case. Some people have more self-control than others and I submit that this is a fact of evolution and not personal choice.

so at what point should that male be trusted at all? if at any point in the relationship he's not willing to take no for an answer than at no point should he be trusted. should every man or just some of them have "potential rapist" tatooed on their forehead? cause that sure would come in handy

Ahnimus

prism wrote:

so at what point should that male be trusted at all? if at any point in the relationship he's not willing to take no for an answer than at no point should he be trusted. should every man or just some of them have "potential rapist" tatooed on their forehead? cause that sure would come in handy

It's not a matter of "men are rapists" it's a matter of certain people with biological traits and environmental influences crack and revert to animal nature. Which I add is in fact part and parcel for our evolutionary history.

Consider that our "Society" our "Culture" is not how we are made to be. At what point did it become "normal" for human beings to be restricted in all of their thoughts and actions?

As I walked home from work tonight a young woman approached me topless and obviously drunk. She was shaking her boobs (very nice indeed) and saying "Can I have a smoke, look I'm topless". My inner furnace burst into flames with desire to drag her into the bushes and bang the shit out of her. but why could I not? Why did I fix my eyes ahead of me and swiftly continue my route home with only saying "No sorry"? Because, in my judgment, she was maybe 16 years old and the threat of prison loomed over. For why? What harm would really have been done if the belief that it is wrong was not ingrained into me?

Then, women my age do not act as such. They are firmly secured in their preservation of sanctity. Which is utter bullshit fabricated by mythology. The reason we cheat and commit adultry, is because we are going against the grain of human sexuality with our "Society" and for what? nothing.

Sex is so essential to human happiness. Everything else pales in comparison to the experience of sex. Yet we hinder it to the degree that human animals snap and then we punish them. I can guarantee that many a man would not have evaded the situation above. But I am already somber to the trials of human existence. I would have done the same no matter the age. The results are usually far more complicated than should be.

Sexual frustration is a force to be reckoned with and no amount of talking is going to change the reality of being human. I would rather hedonism proliferate and abolition of age of consent laws, than see another incidence of rape.