does that mean all germans are bad because of hitler and some ss officers?
Are you serious?
The claim was "All christians are good" and I provided evidence that they are not. Now, you've interpreted my statement to mean "All christians are pedophiles", ridiculous.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The claim was "All christians are good" and I provided evidence that they are not. Now, you've interpreted my statement to mean "All christians are pedophiles", ridiculous.
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This is one of the oddest things I run across when I am trying to figure out this whole Christianity/Religion... who is God stuff. When I am told of all of these great traits that Christians possess... and I bring up the priests (or Christians) who molest kids or commit adultery or steal ... I'm told, "Oh... those aren't 'REAL' Christians". Well, wait a minute... am I being told there are good Christians and bad Christians? Wouldn't a 'Bad Christian'... not be a Christian at all? And who decided who is a good Christian and who is not? Wouldn't the act of judging some one else's faith be Un-Christian like?
Then, I get that whole thing about being flawed and Jesus dying for our sins and all of that. But, all that means that the molesting priest or the Christian that is screwing his friend's wife or stealing from the company he works for or cheating on his taxes still is forgiven and accepted by Christ and God, right?
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and it STILL leaves the Jew that got gassed in Auschwitz burning in the Lake of Fire. I don't get it... and probably never will.
that
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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This is one of the oddest things I run across when I am trying to figure out this whole Christianity/Religion... who is God stuff. When I am told of all of these great traits that Christians possess... and I bring up the priests (or Christians) who molest kids or commit adultery or steal ... I'm told, "Oh... those aren't 'REAL' Christians". Well, wait a minute... am I being told there are good Christians and bad Christians? Wouldn't a 'Bad Christian'... not be a Christian at all? And who decided who is a good Christian and who is not? Wouldn't the act of judging some one else's faith be Un-Christian like?
Then, I get that whole thing about being flawed and Jesus dying for our sins and all of that. But, all that means that the molesting priest or the Christian that is screwing his friend's wife or stealing from the company he works for or cheating on his taxes still is forgiven and accepted by Christ and God, right?
...
and it STILL leaves the Jew that got gassed in Auschwitz burning in the Lake of Fire. I don't get it... and probably never will.
that
It is all deluded perseveration and confabulation.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yep, and if Dawkins thinks the troubles in Ireland were about religion, he's a bigger jackass than I took him for.
Much much later in the Book Dawkins' says:
Yes yes, of course the troubles in Northern Ireland are political.
There really has been economic and political oppression of one
group by another, and it goes back centuries. There really are
genuine grievances and injustices, and these seem to have little to
do with religion; except that - and this is important and widely
overlooked - without religion there would be no labels by which to
decide whom to oppress and whom to avenge. And the real
problem in Northern Ireland is that the labels are inherited down
many generations. Catholics, whose parents, grandparents and
great-grandparents went to Catholic schools, send their children to
Catholic schools. Protestants, whose parents, grandparents and
great-grandparents went to Protestant schools, send their children
to Protestant schools. The two sets of people have the same skin
colour, they speak the same language, they enjoy the same things,
but they might as well belong to different species, so deep is the
historic divide. And without religion, and religiously segregated
education, the divide simply would not be there.
(The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins, Pg. 254)
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Like people don't make up things to divide themselves over. Dawkins is an idiot. People divide by race, looks, political affiliation, boundaries, anything you can imagine people will choose sides on. But then again Dawkins doesn't let reality interfere with his arguements.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Like people don't make up things to divide themselves over. Dawkins is an idiot. People divide by race, looks, political affiliation, boundaries, anything you can imagine people will choose sides on. But then again Dawkins doesn't let reality interfere with his arguements.
Actually he speaks in depth about in-groups/out-groups which is a well-known phenomena to any sociologist... or anyone that thinks about division.
"From Kosovo to Palestine, from Iraq to Sudan, from Ulster to the Indian subcontinent, look carefully at any region of the world where you find
intractable enmity and violence between rival groups. I cannot
guarantee that you'll find religions as the dominant labels for ingroups
and out-groups. But it's a very good bet." - Richard Dawkins
I doubt Dawkins would claim any rift between whites and blacks in America as part of this distinction. It's quite clearly not. It's not that Blacks or Whites have different religions, most are Christians. This is an example of a division that doesn't include religion.
However, if there was no distinctive difference between blacks and whites there would be nothing to distinguish individuals between in-group and out-group. This is the point Dawkins is making about religion.
Whether or not Dawkins is correct about all of his theories or whether or not religion is the primary cause, justification or enabler of belligerence between in-groups and out-groups, speaks not of Dawkins intelligence. "Idiot" is one of less than average intelligence, characteristic of mental retardation, and does not describe correctedness in beliefs.
Your statement is typical of gross ingorance of the human condition.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Like people don't make up things to divide themselves over. Dawkins is an idiot. People divide by race, looks, political affiliation, boundaries, anything you can imagine people will choose sides on. But then again Dawkins doesn't let reality interfere with his arguements.
Isn't that exactly what he is saying - that religion (like politics, race etc) is used as a divisive mechanism where none really exists because biologically we all come from the same place.
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does that mean all germans are bad because of hitler and some ss officers?
the manic street preachers did.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Are you serious?
The claim was "All christians are good" and I provided evidence that they are not. Now, you've interpreted my statement to mean "All christians are pedophiles", ridiculous.
This is one of the oddest things I run across when I am trying to figure out this whole Christianity/Religion... who is God stuff. When I am told of all of these great traits that Christians possess... and I bring up the priests (or Christians) who molest kids or commit adultery or steal ... I'm told, "Oh... those aren't 'REAL' Christians". Well, wait a minute... am I being told there are good Christians and bad Christians? Wouldn't a 'Bad Christian'... not be a Christian at all? And who decided who is a good Christian and who is not? Wouldn't the act of judging some one else's faith be Un-Christian like?
Then, I get that whole thing about being flawed and Jesus dying for our sins and all of that. But, all that means that the molesting priest or the Christian that is screwing his friend's wife or stealing from the company he works for or cheating on his taxes still is forgiven and accepted by Christ and God, right?
...
and it STILL leaves the Jew that got gassed in Auschwitz burning in the Lake of Fire. I don't get it... and probably never will.
that
Hail, Hail!!!
It is all deluded perseveration and confabulation.
Much much later in the Book Dawkins' says:
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Actually he speaks in depth about in-groups/out-groups which is a well-known phenomena to any sociologist... or anyone that thinks about division.
"From Kosovo to Palestine, from Iraq to Sudan, from Ulster to the Indian subcontinent, look carefully at any region of the world where you find
intractable enmity and violence between rival groups. I cannot
guarantee that you'll find religions as the dominant labels for ingroups
and out-groups. But it's a very good bet." - Richard Dawkins
I doubt Dawkins would claim any rift between whites and blacks in America as part of this distinction. It's quite clearly not. It's not that Blacks or Whites have different religions, most are Christians. This is an example of a division that doesn't include religion.
However, if there was no distinctive difference between blacks and whites there would be nothing to distinguish individuals between in-group and out-group. This is the point Dawkins is making about religion.
Whether or not Dawkins is correct about all of his theories or whether or not religion is the primary cause, justification or enabler of belligerence between in-groups and out-groups, speaks not of Dawkins intelligence. "Idiot" is one of less than average intelligence, characteristic of mental retardation, and does not describe correctedness in beliefs.
Your statement is typical of gross ingorance of the human condition.
Isn't that exactly what he is saying - that religion (like politics, race etc) is used as a divisive mechanism where none really exists because biologically we all come from the same place.