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Ummmm... no... that's NOT what Lennon was saying. He was saying that if there was no greed and selfishness and if we basically did unto others as we would have them do unto us... we'd all be a lot better off. And face it... like it or not... Nationalism and Religion are greed based selfish entities. Being, MY nation withing MY borders... or MY religion over yours... is why there is so much conflict. There is no mention of no God.
Ummmmm... yes that, in part, IS what Lennon was saying. The song opens with the line "Imagine there's no heaven..." or to paraphrase "c'mon give up that silly faith of yours, its easy, Think just like me, and the world will be as one". Please. The word "God" is not used, but it is definitly implied.
Don't get me wrong, there is some good stuff in there about greed and materialism, but if he wasn't outright blaming greed on faith, he was certainly stressing (grossly exagrerating, in fact) the role faith plays in the world's ills. He obviously thought enough about it to open the fucking song with it. He didn't open with the business about greed and possessions (although he could have).
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Yoko Ono recently said in an article that she believes John would've LOVED the internet, really dug it. She thinks the instant (karma - cough!) communication would've turned him on.
And I, for one, agree.
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Have you seen the 1968 Rolling Stones Rock 'N Roll Circus on PBS?
Lennon (guitar/vocals), Eric Clapton (guitar), Keith Richards (bass) and Mitch Mitchell (engine) are the 'Dirty Mac'. They do a kick ass version of 'Yer Blues' then a cool bluesy jam... great stuff...
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Then... Yoko steps up to the mic and starts screaming like a fucking monkey and completely ruins it.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Ummmmm... yes that, in part, IS what Lennon was saying. The song opens with the line "Imagine there's no heaven..." or to paraphrase "c'mon give up that silly faith of yours, its easy, Think just like me, and the world will be as one". Please. The word "God" is not used, but it is definitly implied.
Don't get me wrong, there is some good stuff in there about greed and materialism, but if he wasn't outright blaming greed on faith, he was certainly stressing (grossly exagrerating, in fact) the role faith plays in the world's ills. He obviously thought enough about it to open the fucking song with it. He didn't open with the business about greed and possessions (although he could have).
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There's a stretch.
No Heaven? Heaven is a REWARD. A reward for the SELF. People doing good things in this life in order to go to Heaven is a selfish act. You SHOULD be doing good things for people... unconditionally... because doing good things is the right thing to do. And religion holds heaven as your reward... whether it's for your charity for the poor or blowing up a bus full of infidels... Heaven is the reward.
I don't believe in Heaven... the good things I do for people is because they are people. I do not expect anything in return.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
agreed, especially when a better spoof has been out there for YEARS...:)
Imagine there's no liberals
It's easy if you try
No Feminazi's
None of Billy's lies
No environmental wackos
Lying to our kids
You, you may not like Bill Clinton
Well, you're not the only one
Imagine the truth about the 80's
Even if you can
High schools without condoms
And no brand new health plan
Imagine all the people
Paying their own way
You, you may say I'm a dreamer
But, I'm not the only one
We should have listened to Rush Limbaugh
Then maybe George Bush might have won Bush I I think
Imagine Hillary baking cookies
I know it's very hard
No lesbians playing soldier
Or dragging tracks in the yard
What if Ronald Reagan
Could have had four terms
You, you may say I'm a dreamer
I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll read "See I Told You So"
Then the world will live as one
Glenn Beck's spoof of a Conservative Xmas is even better:
So this is Christmas
Conservatives cry
Cause children are happy
And we want them to die
War mongering Christmas
We all had some fun
Bombing all the A-rabs
And starving their young
Conservative Christmas
Drive my SUV
Right over the homeless
Speed bump them with glee
Conservative Christmas
What a happy day
‘Cause we just stole 4 million
From your 401k’s
An intolerant Christmas
On the colored we spit
And beat them for crimes that
They did not commit
Conservative Christmas
Have a happy new year
Unless you’re a red man
Black, yellow or queer
There’s a new Christmas anthem
On this holiday
For all those who hate us
No matter what we say
A Conservative Christmas
Have a great holiday
Unless of course you’re a liberal
Or a conservative gay
A Conservative Christmas
And a write off next year
Pray for a bull market
And go kill a deer
We’re war mongers
Love no longer
White race stronger
Blah Blah Blah Blahhhhh
in the end, lighten up you people
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
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Have you seen the 1968 Rolling Stones Rock 'N Roll Circus on PBS?
Lennon (guitar/vocals), Eric Clapton (guitar), Keith Richards (bass) and Mitch Mitchell (engine) are the 'Dirty Mac'. They do a kick ass version of 'Yer Blues' then a cool bluesy jam... great stuff...
...
Then... Yoko steps up to the mic and starts screaming like a fucking monkey and completely ruins it.
lol, never seen it but i can picture it in my head. maybe there's a clip of it on youtube.
"PC Load Letter?! What the fuck does that mean?"
~Michael Bolton
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There's a stretch.
No Heaven? Heaven is a REWARD. A reward for the SELF. People doing good things in this life in order to go to Heaven is a selfish act. You SHOULD be doing good things for people... unconditionally... because doing good things is the right thing to do. And religion holds heaven as your reward... whether it's for your charity for the poor or blowing up a bus full of infidels... Heaven is the reward.
I don't believe in Heaven... the good things I do for people is because they are people. I do not expect anything in return.
Exactly
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Ok, that REALLY REALLY REALLY hit a nerve. Covering someone's song is fine, but completly changing the original meaning, thats a low.
FUCK Fredi D’Alessio.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
Well actually, ritualistically attending church, singing hymns, going to confession, holy water, etc. is EXACTLY what makes a person RELIGIOUS. Christianity, in and of itself, in its purest form, is not a religion. It is a faith.
There is a HUGE difference between religion and faith, religious and faithful.
Christianity in it's earliest, and purest form was a branch of Gnosticism - i.e, direct contact with a higher spiritual power, the pursuit of mystical experiences e.t.c. It had nothing to do with faith.
Edit: I ritualistically attend work five days a week. I also go to eat at the same noodle bar at roughly the same time every day too. And I worship beer.
Am I religious?
Am I the Messiah? :eek:
Christianity in it's earliest, and purest form was a branch of Gnosticism - i.e, direct contact with a higher spiritual power, the pursuit of mystical experiences e.t.c. It had nothing to do with faith.
Edit: I ritualistically attend work five days a week. I also go to eat at the same noodle bar at roughly the same time every day too. And I worship beer.
Am I religious?
Am I the Messiah? :eek:
are you religious?
do you offer up sacrifices to the almighty beer?
are you the messiah?
HA!!! LMAO!! highly doubt it. but good luck with that.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Well, the Soviets weren't religious and yet Stalin still managed to wipe out about 30 million of his own people in the 1920's . Most of the top rank of the Nazi's also dabbled in occultism, and I don't think anyone believed their pretensions to be on some sort of messianic crusade. Nazism was fundamentally a secular force.
Anyway, to be honest, I don't consider about 99% of supposed Christians to be religious at all. Most of these people who we label religious aren't religious at all. Going to a church once a week and singing hymns doesn't qualify you as being religious in my book. The church has failed Christianity. And unless you've experienced God first hand, through a direct religious/mystical experience, then you are not religious.
Hitler cited christianity as his ideological platform on many occasions. This is easily googled.
Hitler cited christianity as his ideological platform on many occasions. This is easily googled.
Hitler was also praised by the church and some religious institutions called him the "new voice of God".
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Also, my thoughts on soviet communist atheism are that it doesn't really qualify as atheism within the present context because soviet communist atheism was more along the lines of militant atheism, which precludes it from being applied in a manner that is consistent with true atheist ideals.
Stalin instituted his version of the "separation between church and state", and I think this is where the confusion begins. This is because it was not in fact a separation between church and state. Rather, it was the oppression of church, which is an entirely different concept.
Hitler cited christianity as his ideological platform on many occasions. This is easily googled.
It is easily googled. But the results aren't as straightforward as that. I just googled it and the first two links state Hitler was an atheist who occasionaly used religious symbols to manipulate hatred. Actually (according to link n°2, wikipedia) he seemed to loath christianity.
And on topic the song really seems to suck. I didn't hear, yet, a "good as original" cover of Imagine, but with different lyrics it certainly won't get any better! I don't know who owns the rights to this song but if they wished to keep the spirit of the song free from stupid covers they shouldn't allow such covers
Imagine there's no hatred,
It isn’t hard to do,
No cause to kill or die for,
And one religion too,
Imagine all the people
Living in Christ’s peace ~
lol no hatred? It isnt hard to do?? ROFLMAO
Hope he means except for the gays. I mean c'mon, no hatred for gays? Oh and the jews of course, they killed my god. Oh, oh right, and the scientists, they make me feel way too insecure about my beliefs, with their mean evil little snaketongues (there's just no arguing with those).
And then there's the muslims of course, and people who have premarital sex, do abortions, divorce, use condoms, atheists..and a few other condemned ones unworthy of mention.
No hatred? How the fuck would i do that ?!? Slaughter them all or what? but hey! No cause to kill and die for...?? goddamn, god's ways are confuuuusing!!
/sarcasm
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
lol no hatred? It isnt hard to do?? ROFLMAO
Hope he means except for the gays. I mean c'mon, no hatred for gays? Oh and the jews of course, they killed my god. Oh, oh right, and the scientists, they make me feel way too insecure about my beliefs, with their mean evil little snaketongues (there's just no arguing with those).
And then there's the muslims of course, and people who have premarital sex, do abortions, divorce, use condoms, atheists..and a few other condemned ones unworthy of mention.
No hatred? How the fuck would i do that ?!? Slaughter them all or what? but hey! No cause to kill and die for...?? goddamn, god's ways are confuuuusing!!
/sarcasm
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Yeah... I think the point the dude is trying to make is that there wouldn't be any hatred... because if you are living in in Christ's peace, you aren't gay, therefore, no gays... or Jews... or Muslims. There would not be Evolution because we all would believe in Creation. They do have to be slaughtered.. just converted.
The world would be a better place if only we were all **Christians.
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**Note: The term 'Christians' can be substituted for most other large organized religions, i.e. Muslims.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
How do you come across stuff like this? Does someone email it to you to piss you off?
No, similar lyrics are mentioned in the preface to Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion". I did a Google search for "and one god too" and it was there.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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Yeah... I think the point the dude is trying to make is that there wouldn't be any hatred... because if you are living in in Christ's peace, you aren't gay, therefore, no gays... or Jews... or Muslims. There would not be Evolution because we all would believe in Creation. They do have to be slaughtered.. just converted.
The world would be a better place if only we were all **Christians.
The world would be a very boring place...............and a freaking lie.
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Yeah... I think the point the dude is trying to make is that there wouldn't be any hatred... because if you are living in in Christ's peace, you aren't gay, therefore, no gays... or Jews... or Muslims. There would not be Evolution because we all would believe in Creation. They do have to be slaughtered.. just converted.
The world would be a better place if only we were all **Christians.
...
**Note: The term 'Christians' can be substituted for most other large organized religions, i.e. Muslims.
Then "Dude" is pretty damn ignorant. He's conveniently overlooked several cases of priests molesting children. Such as; Ollie O'Grady.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The Beatles can make their own "bible" I suppose and write all kinds of crazy shit...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I didn't realize "Imagine" was an atheist hymn. My bad. Thought it was just another pop song by a pop singer. Can you recommend a good atheist church for me to go to, I'd love to hear an atheist choir do this song justice.
the original song was thought to be a description of heaven. then again; some said it described communism.
Then "Dude" is pretty damn ignorant. He's conveniently overlooked several cases of priests molesting children. Such as; Ollie O'Grady.
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Trust me... I'm not defending the dude. I think he's fucking creepy.
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And who knows... to the priest, cornholing a 10 year old boy is Heavan to him.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Ummmmm... yes that, in part, IS what Lennon was saying. The song opens with the line "Imagine there's no heaven..." or to paraphrase "c'mon give up that silly faith of yours, its easy, Think just like me, and the world will be as one". Please. The word "God" is not used, but it is definitly implied.
Don't get me wrong, there is some good stuff in there about greed and materialism, but if he wasn't outright blaming greed on faith, he was certainly stressing (grossly exagrerating, in fact) the role faith plays in the world's ills. He obviously thought enough about it to open the fucking song with it. He didn't open with the business about greed and possessions (although he could have).
Have you seen the 1968 Rolling Stones Rock 'N Roll Circus on PBS?
Lennon (guitar/vocals), Eric Clapton (guitar), Keith Richards (bass) and Mitch Mitchell (engine) are the 'Dirty Mac'. They do a kick ass version of 'Yer Blues' then a cool bluesy jam... great stuff...
...
Then... Yoko steps up to the mic and starts screaming like a fucking monkey and completely ruins it.
Hail, Hail!!!
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
There's a stretch.
No Heaven? Heaven is a REWARD. A reward for the SELF. People doing good things in this life in order to go to Heaven is a selfish act. You SHOULD be doing good things for people... unconditionally... because doing good things is the right thing to do. And religion holds heaven as your reward... whether it's for your charity for the poor or blowing up a bus full of infidels... Heaven is the reward.
I don't believe in Heaven... the good things I do for people is because they are people. I do not expect anything in return.
Hail, Hail!!!
You do good things, but for good rewards........or only for good people.....or only for good tax write-offs......
What in hell is the point of that? Heaven?
Just do good things. Who cares what happens after that? As long as you know you did a good thing, that's what matters in the end.
If there is a heaven that rewards you for thinking like that, so be it. Enjoy the streamers and balloons and cake that await you.
If there isn't, so what?
but that sounds like living for today....hang on a sec....
We're stuck in a loop....
agreed, especially when a better spoof has been out there for YEARS...:)
Imagine there's no liberals
It's easy if you try
No Feminazi's
None of Billy's lies
No environmental wackos
Lying to our kids
You, you may not like Bill Clinton
Well, you're not the only one
Imagine the truth about the 80's
Even if you can
High schools without condoms
And no brand new health plan
Imagine all the people
Paying their own way
You, you may say I'm a dreamer
But, I'm not the only one
We should have listened to Rush Limbaugh
Then maybe George Bush might have won Bush I I think
Imagine Hillary baking cookies
I know it's very hard
No lesbians playing soldier
Or dragging tracks in the yard
What if Ronald Reagan
Could have had four terms
You, you may say I'm a dreamer
I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll read "See I Told You So"
Then the world will live as one
Glenn Beck's spoof of a Conservative Xmas is even better:
So this is Christmas
Conservatives cry
Cause children are happy
And we want them to die
War mongering Christmas
We all had some fun
Bombing all the A-rabs
And starving their young
Conservative Christmas
Drive my SUV
Right over the homeless
Speed bump them with glee
Conservative Christmas
What a happy day
‘Cause we just stole 4 million
From your 401k’s
An intolerant Christmas
On the colored we spit
And beat them for crimes that
They did not commit
Conservative Christmas
Have a happy new year
Unless you’re a red man
Black, yellow or queer
There’s a new Christmas anthem
On this holiday
For all those who hate us
No matter what we say
A Conservative Christmas
Have a great holiday
Unless of course you’re a liberal
Or a conservative gay
A Conservative Christmas
And a write off next year
Pray for a bull market
And go kill a deer
We’re war mongers
Love no longer
White race stronger
Blah Blah Blah Blahhhhh
in the end, lighten up you people
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
lol, never seen it but i can picture it in my head. maybe there's a clip of it on youtube.
~Michael Bolton
Exactly
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
FUCK Fredi D’Alessio.
Christianity in it's earliest, and purest form was a branch of Gnosticism - i.e, direct contact with a higher spiritual power, the pursuit of mystical experiences e.t.c. It had nothing to do with faith.
Edit: I ritualistically attend work five days a week. I also go to eat at the same noodle bar at roughly the same time every day too. And I worship beer.
Am I religious?
Am I the Messiah? :eek:
are you religious?
do you offer up sacrifices to the almighty beer?
are you the messiah?
HA!!! LMAO!! highly doubt it. but good luck with that.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Hitler cited christianity as his ideological platform on many occasions. This is easily googled.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Hitler was also praised by the church and some religious institutions called him the "new voice of God".
Do you not feel swayed by the power of my message pit sermons? Want to come join my movement? I'll even appoint you as my first disciple! :cool:
The only request upon my followers is that they anoint themselves with holy beer every day of the week.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
i'll join your movement. but i'll be no ones disciple. not even yours steve.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Stalin instituted his version of the "separation between church and state", and I think this is where the confusion begins. This is because it was not in fact a separation between church and state. Rather, it was the oppression of church, which is an entirely different concept.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
It is easily googled. But the results aren't as straightforward as that. I just googled it and the first two links state Hitler was an atheist who occasionaly used religious symbols to manipulate hatred. Actually (according to link n°2, wikipedia) he seemed to loath christianity.
And on topic the song really seems to suck. I didn't hear, yet, a "good as original" cover of Imagine, but with different lyrics it certainly won't get any better! I don't know who owns the rights to this song but if they wished to keep the spirit of the song free from stupid covers they shouldn't allow such covers
lol no hatred? It isnt hard to do?? ROFLMAO
Hope he means except for the gays. I mean c'mon, no hatred for gays? Oh and the jews of course, they killed my god. Oh, oh right, and the scientists, they make me feel way too insecure about my beliefs, with their mean evil little snaketongues (there's just no arguing with those).
And then there's the muslims of course, and people who have premarital sex, do abortions, divorce, use condoms, atheists..and a few other condemned ones unworthy of mention.
No hatred? How the fuck would i do that ?!? Slaughter them all or what? but hey! No cause to kill and die for...?? goddamn, god's ways are confuuuusing!!
/sarcasm
Philip K. Dick.
Yeah... I think the point the dude is trying to make is that there wouldn't be any hatred... because if you are living in in Christ's peace, you aren't gay, therefore, no gays... or Jews... or Muslims. There would not be Evolution because we all would believe in Creation. They do have to be slaughtered.. just converted.
The world would be a better place if only we were all **Christians.
...
**Note: The term 'Christians' can be substituted for most other large organized religions, i.e. Muslims.
Hail, Hail!!!
How do you come across stuff like this? Does someone email it to you to piss you off?
No, similar lyrics are mentioned in the preface to Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion". I did a Google search for "and one god too" and it was there.
The world would be a very boring place...............and a freaking lie.
Then "Dude" is pretty damn ignorant. He's conveniently overlooked several cases of priests molesting children. Such as; Ollie O'Grady.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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the original song was thought to be a description of heaven. then again; some said it described communism.
Trust me... I'm not defending the dude. I think he's fucking creepy.
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And who knows... to the priest, cornholing a 10 year old boy is Heavan to him.
Hail, Hail!!!