You are not matter!

Ahnimus
Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
edited June 2007 in A Moving Train
I've made this point before with the analogy of patterns or songs.

Here is Steve Grand:

"[Think] of an experience from your childhood. Something you
remember clearly, something you can see, feel, maybe even
smell, as if you were really there. After all, you really were
there at the time, weren't you? How else would you
remember it? But here is the bombshell: you weren't there.
Not a single atom that is in your body today was there
when that event took place . . . Matter flows from place
to place and momentarily comes together to be you.
Whatever you are, therefore, you are not the stuff of
which you are made. If that doesn't make the hair stand
up on the back of your neck, read it again until it does,
because it is important."
(The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins; Page 363)

Sweet, it really is a weird thing, isn't it?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    That's really interesting Ahnimus. A really interesting thought. :)

    I'm just wondering if not a single atom was there how is it possible to remember? Has the memory been passed from atom to atom?
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • Alex_Coe
    Alex_Coe Posts: 762
    OK it's official: my mind has sufficiently been blown.

    Either that or it's all bull. Hopefully the latter.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    What is it...we have trillions of neutrinos or something like that flowing through space and us every second. Cosmic stuff going right through us...the earth and onwards to where ever perpetually.

    Yeah that's a trippy angle I haven't stopped to put much thought into.

    cool..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I felt very...organic, after reading that.

    Then, I lit a cigarette.

    Soon after, there was a voice in my head.

    It said:

    I am Jack's DNA.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Oh wait... I get it exactly what he is saying. Deepak Chopra gets on about this too. All our atoms swap out. A lot faster than we think.

    We grow new lungs, liver bones, teeth... in months...every year or two all our atoms 99.9% are replaced with new atoms from food and whatever we ingest.

    I suppose it is our DNA which instructs new food energy etc... that we eat on where to go and how to become us.

    Yeah this makes sense and is true afaik. That is freaky.

    I never thought of that...How do the memories remain? Our brains must have an EPROM/EEPROM circuitry for hard wiring memories.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    What does AFAIK mean?
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    being as stoned as i am right now, that made perfect sense......:p:D
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    keeponrockin wrote:
    What does AFAIK mean?

    as far as I know...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    cutback wrote:
    being as stoned as i am right now, that made perfect sense......:p:D

    damn straight it would :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    keeponrockin wrote:
    What does AFAIK mean?

    I didn't know, either. It was like some middle eastern thing. Like a name. Afaik Ali Mohammed.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Yes perhaps I wasn't there when I broke my ankle playin football.
    Atoms, cells, bones, hair, everything is new/changing from day to day.
    Or even second to second.
    But what about our spirits/soul being there since before we were born?
    I know, I know.
    Some ppl on here will be like, hey dude we don't have spirits/souls.
    A spirit/soul, I M O doesn't have cells, atoms, bones, hair.
    So I suppose my fleshly mass wasnt ever around, not even now as I am
    typing away on a PJ board thingy.
    I would say my spirit/soul is right here with my lone typing finger.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    chadwick wrote:
    Yes perhaps I wasn't there when I broke my ankle playin football.
    Atoms, cells, bones, hair, everything is new/changing from day to day.
    Or even second to second.
    But what about our spirits/soul being there since before we were born?
    I know, I know.
    Some ppl on here will be like, hey dude we don't have spirits/souls.
    A spirit/soul, I M O doesn't have cells, atoms, bones, hair.
    So I suppose my fleshly mass wasnt ever around, not even now as I am
    typing away on a PJ board thingy.
    I would say my spirit/soul is right here with my lone typing finger.

    Sure it is. I agree.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I've made this point before with the analogy of patterns or songs.

    Here is Steve Grand:

    "[Think] of an experience from your childhood. Something you
    remember clearly, something you can see, feel, maybe even
    smell, as if you were really there. After all, you really were
    there at the time, weren't you? How else would you
    remember it? But here is the bombshell: you weren't there.
    Not a single atom that is in your body today was there
    when that event took place . . . Matter flows from place
    to place and momentarily comes together to be you.
    Whatever you are, therefore, you are not the stuff of
    which you are made. If that doesn't make the hair stand
    up on the back of your neck, read it again until it does,
    because it is important."
    (The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins; Page 363)

    Sweet, it really is a weird thing, isn't it?

    maybe this explains deja vu.

    i disagree with dawkins. i dont believe the matter that i am made up of comes together momentarily just so i can become me. i believe i became me ONCE and so i remain me until my body dies. then the energy keeping me together dissipates and i decompose.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    The thing is; you are a pattern of matter that is arranged by the DNA and stuffs. This pattern does change in regards to memories and perceptions, however, by enlarge it does remain the same.

    Ask anyone who's pattern has been disrupted by environmental factors, such as brain damage, they are not the person they were before.

    Poetically speaking, and to quote Mystery of http://www.mysterymethod.com you are a pattern like "a song". That's good for picking up chicks.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    I didn't know, either. It was like some middle eastern thing. Like a name. Afaik Ali Mohammed.

    afaik I thought he had Jack's DNA? :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Can a soul have zero mass and still exist in this universe? .....is what I ask myself sometimes when I'm high. It usually winds up as a stand off at the fridge...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    probably so.
    your soul/spirit is one with the universe.
    or rather one of the universe.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i dunno but things get deep around here.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    maybe this explains deja vu.

    i disagree with dawkins. i dont believe the matter that i am made up of comes together momentarily just so i can become me. i believe i became me ONCE and so i remain me until my body dies. then the energy keeping me together dissipates and i decompose.

    No, you have one life. Don't get it confused with your dying and reborn cell-energy structure.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Can a soul have zero mass and still exist in this universe? .....is what I ask myself sometimes when I'm high. It usually winds up as a stand off at the fridge...

    Does the refrigerator light/mass go off when you close the refrigerator door?
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