You are not matter!
Ahnimus
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I've made this point before with the analogy of patterns or songs.
Here is Steve Grand:
"[Think] of an experience from your childhood. Something you
remember clearly, something you can see, feel, maybe even
smell, as if you were really there. After all, you really were
there at the time, weren't you? How else would you
remember it? But here is the bombshell: you weren't there.
Not a single atom that is in your body today was there
when that event took place . . . Matter flows from place
to place and momentarily comes together to be you.
Whatever you are, therefore, you are not the stuff of
which you are made. If that doesn't make the hair stand
up on the back of your neck, read it again until it does,
because it is important."
(The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins; Page 363)
Sweet, it really is a weird thing, isn't it?
Here is Steve Grand:
"[Think] of an experience from your childhood. Something you
remember clearly, something you can see, feel, maybe even
smell, as if you were really there. After all, you really were
there at the time, weren't you? How else would you
remember it? But here is the bombshell: you weren't there.
Not a single atom that is in your body today was there
when that event took place . . . Matter flows from place
to place and momentarily comes together to be you.
Whatever you are, therefore, you are not the stuff of
which you are made. If that doesn't make the hair stand
up on the back of your neck, read it again until it does,
because it is important."
(The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins; Page 363)
Sweet, it really is a weird thing, isn't it?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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I'm just wondering if not a single atom was there how is it possible to remember? Has the memory been passed from atom to atom?
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Either that or it's all bull. Hopefully the latter.
Yeah that's a trippy angle I haven't stopped to put much thought into.
cool..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Then, I lit a cigarette.
Soon after, there was a voice in my head.
It said:
I am Jack's DNA.
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We grow new lungs, liver bones, teeth... in months...every year or two all our atoms 99.9% are replaced with new atoms from food and whatever we ingest.
I suppose it is our DNA which instructs new food energy etc... that we eat on where to go and how to become us.
Yeah this makes sense and is true afaik. That is freaky.
I never thought of that...How do the memories remain? Our brains must have an EPROM/EEPROM circuitry for hard wiring memories.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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as far as I know...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
damn straight it would
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I didn't know, either. It was like some middle eastern thing. Like a name. Afaik Ali Mohammed.
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Atoms, cells, bones, hair, everything is new/changing from day to day.
Or even second to second.
But what about our spirits/soul being there since before we were born?
I know, I know.
Some ppl on here will be like, hey dude we don't have spirits/souls.
A spirit/soul, I M O doesn't have cells, atoms, bones, hair.
So I suppose my fleshly mass wasnt ever around, not even now as I am
typing away on a PJ board thingy.
I would say my spirit/soul is right here with my lone typing finger.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Sure it is. I agree.
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maybe this explains deja vu.
i disagree with dawkins. i dont believe the matter that i am made up of comes together momentarily just so i can become me. i believe i became me ONCE and so i remain me until my body dies. then the energy keeping me together dissipates and i decompose.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Ask anyone who's pattern has been disrupted by environmental factors, such as brain damage, they are not the person they were before.
Poetically speaking, and to quote Mystery of http://www.mysterymethod.com you are a pattern like "a song". That's good for picking up chicks.
afaik I thought he had Jack's DNA?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
your soul/spirit is one with the universe.
or rather one of the universe.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
No, you have one life. Don't get it confused with your dying and reborn cell-energy structure.
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Does the refrigerator light/mass go off when you close the refrigerator door?
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Q: You should stick to tennis and marijuana.
A: Noted.
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You crack me up man. I think the light bulb unscrews itself hops down and messes around with the lettuce then flips me the bird.
could just be my meds though.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
That is damn funny dude.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
http://strivinglife.net/wordpress/2006/05/25/94/waking-life-chapter-7-the-aging-paradox/
[7 The Aging Paradox]
(Two women are having lunch - English professor Lisa Moore and author Carole Dawson)
Time just dissolves into quick-moving particles that are swirling away. Either I’m moving fast or time is. Never both simultaneously.
It’s such a strange paradox. I mean, while, technically, I’m closer to the end of my life than I’ve ever been, I actually feel more than ever that I have all the time in the world. When I was younger, there was a desperation, a desire for certainty, like there was an end to the path, and I had to get there.
I know what you mean, because I can remember thinking, "Oh, someday, like in my mid-thirties maybe, everything’s going to just somehow gel and settle, just end." It was like there was this plateau, and it was waiting for me, and I was climbing up it, and when I got to the top, all growth and change would stop. Even exhilaration. But that hasn’t happened like that, thank goodness. I think that what we don’t take into account when we’re young is our endless curiosity. That’s what’s so great about being human.
Yeah, yeah. Well do you know that thing Benedict Anderson says about identity?
No.
Well, he’s talking about like, say, a baby picture. So you pick up this picture, this two-dimensional image, and you say, "That’s me." Well, to connect this baby in this weird little image with yourself living and breathing in the present, you have to make up a story like, "This was me when I was a year old, and then later I had long hair, and then we moved to Riverdale, and now here I am." So it takes a story that’s actually a fiction to make you and the baby in the picture identical to create your identity.
And the funny thing is, our cells are completely regenerating every seven years. We’ve already become completely different people several times over, and yet we always remain quintessentially ourselves.
Hmm.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
And this is why, even though politically atheistic, I have no problem with "believers" of all kinds. It is embracing Art, it is embracing a story.
All of us do it...we all wait for signs...
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Read 'The holographic universe' by Michael Talbot for the answer.
i know i have only one life. what im debating is the constituting and reconstituting of matter that becomes me. i don't agree with dawkins on this and i don't agree that because my cells have regenerated a total of 6 times(in my case) during my lifetime that every 7 years i have become a completely different person. my shell may have grown and adapted, but i see becoming a 'completely different person' as essentially a continuous thing that has nothing to do with cell regeneration or the reconstitution of matter.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
What about non replicative cells? Such as neurons for example : no replication of the cell = no replication of the DNA. The DNA strands are the same than the ones you had when you were born?
And atoms never get lost, so technically the atoms that left me could very well be the same that are making your physical you right now.
(the post below me : considering the quote is from a book called "the god delusion" I would say no to that)
If this is to be true. Shouldn't all scars heal back to normal?
Does this mean you are starting to lean towards god now?
Yes. And it starts making the concept of soul interesting again too. Since something makes us be what we are, and it ain't matter, well.... Couldn't that be called soul, nevermind particular christian beliefs about it?
But interesting to ponder.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965