Send me your brain!

AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
Hey guys, I've been looking at model brains and they are so expensive. I'd really like to have one for my studies, but I can't afford them.

But I was thinking, a lot of people claim to exist without their brain in all the glory they experience now. So, you can prove you don't need it just by taking it out and then you can send it to me and we will both be happy.

I can use more than one for dissecting. So please lobotomize yourself and send me your brain.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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  • DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,757
    Check your PM. I just sent mine.
    I smile, but who am I kidding...
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    I'm not sure if he'll send you his whole brain but onelongsong has a piece of his he doesn't/can't use any more. Maybe you could just lease it from him.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    I'm not sure if he'll send you his whole brain but onelongsong has a piece of his he doesn't/can't use any more. Maybe you could just lease it from him.

    That'd be cool. I'll take all the brain matter I can get.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Check over in AET. Peoples brains fall out of their heads all the time over there.

    You could just walk around picking up the all ones that have been abandoned on the floor. :p

    Failing that, you could always take up serial killing as a side hobby.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    But I'd like to see someone actually take their own brain out in attempt to prove they don't need it to exist.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ahnimus wrote:
    But I'd like to see someone actually take their own brain out in attempt to prove they don't need it to exist.
    And if other people told you they had eveidence that the person's consciousness still existed you'd dismiss it just because you can't see it. A lot like a color blind person can't see things as they really are.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    But I'd like to see someone actually take their own brain out in attempt to prove they don't need it to exist.

    it has to be on youtube somewhere :p
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Hey guys, I've been looking at model brains and they are so expensive. I'd really like to have one for my studies, but I can't afford them.

    But I was thinking, a lot of people claim to exist without their brain in all the glory they experience now. So, you can prove you don't need it just by taking it out and then you can send it to me and we will both be happy.

    I can use more than one for dissecting. So please lobotomize yourself and send me your brain.

    dude; i am so glad you realized yours was defective and want a replacement. i'll start looking for you ASAP!
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    it has to be on youtube somewhere :p

    I'm looking. I'm sure there is something on Freedman's "Ice Pick" lobotomy that was performed on over 2500 patients in the area prior to psychiatric drugs. Frontal lobotomy's were quite prevelant, before it was realized the effects of it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    But I'd like to see someone actually take their own brain out in attempt to prove they don't need it to exist.

    http://wintersteel.homestead.com/Life_Without_Brain.html

    http://newsfromrussia.com/society/2003/03/26/45101.html

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-05-08-brain-surgery_N.htm

    want more?
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560

    Dude, the first two stories are identical and from in-credible sources. The third one has only to do with removing 1/5th of the brain. The brain that was largely damaged by the internal bleeding. I already know that the brains plasticity can compensate for large lesions in the brain, tumors, or lobotomies. But not a complete removal of the brain. You will find 5 years later when this young man has largely recovered from his deficit that the remaining parts of his brain have taken over function of the parts that are missing. And if you then remove those parts the defecit will return. This type of plasticity comes easier in children than adults. In adults it takes a lot of neurotherapy to get the brain to compensate. I can give you a shitload of information on this.

    The first two stories are about rigor mortis and nothing else. Sure the man could run 32 ft after his head was cut-off, but after 32 ft he collapses completely dead and doesn't get up to dance the macarena.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • I can survive without a foot or an arm but I like using them so I think I'll keep 'em. ;)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560


    Yea, I want you to record a video of you removing your entire brain and post it online for me to see.

    If you honestly believe that it can be done, then do it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I can survive without a foot or an arm but I like using them so I think I'll keep 'em. ;)

    But what does your brain do for you?

    You believe in "integral consciousness" so you shouldn't need your brain for anything.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    But what does your brain do for you?

    You believe in "integral consciousness" so you shouldn't need your brain for anything.

    My brain sleeps with every thought that sounds good...you already know that.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    My brain sleeps with every thought that sounds good...you already know that.

    Then, why keep it?

    Send it to me. I'll bennefit more from it than you will. ;)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Then, why keep it?

    Send it to me. I'll bennefit more from it than you will. ;)

    Nope. I like it here.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Nope. I like it here.

    Sounds like you don't really believe what you say.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Sounds like you don't really believe what you say.

    Sounds like I don't feel the need to convince you.

    My brain is telling me it's pointless to try. I figure I'll take her word for it...she's about to be busy anyway....she has a few videos on meditation and the peace movement lined up to have an orgy with this evening. ;)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Sounds like I don't feel the need to convince you.

    My brain is telling me it's pointless to try. I figure I'll take her word for it...she's about to be busy anyway....she has a few videos on meditation and the peace movement lined up to have an orgy with this evening. ;)

    Do you ever watch anything else?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Do you ever watch anything else?

    Of course! I watch stuff I don't agree with often...I come here and read stuff I don't agree with, too. I could just pretend it doesn't exist. Do you watch stuff that I like? Or is it all the stuff you preach about on here?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Of course! I watch stuff I don't agree with often...I come here and read stuff I don't agree with, too. I could just pretend it doesn't exist. Do you watch stuff that I like? Or is it all the stuff you preach about on here?

    I watch and read a lot of stuff. But I tend to see the same stuff over and over again. The same arguments, the same circumstantial evidence, etc.. etc..

    It might be something to do with the music Pearl Jam makes, but most places I post have people with completely different attitudes. For example I started a thread about free-will on tvo.org/theagenda and most of the responses were "That's self-evident" and some ridiculed me for suggesting it was some kind of revelation when it's "blatantly obvious". The same phenomena occurred at skeptic.com. Here on the other hand, I was called "Crazy".
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I watch and read a lot of stuff. But I tend to see the same stuff over and over again. The same arguments, the same circumstantial evidence, etc.. etc..

    It might be something to do with the music Pearl Jam makes, but most places I post have people with completely different attitudes. For example I started a thread about free-will on tvo.org/theagenda and most of the responses were "That's self-evident" and some ridiculed me for suggesting it was some kind of revelation when it's "blatantly obvious". The same phenomena occurred at skeptic.com. Here on the other hand, I was called "Crazy".


    Well, people do surround themselves with like minded folks a lot. I like to evolve ideas more than butt heads constantly, myself. I trust my intuition now more than ever...I guess that's where we differ. I do read your posts instead of simply blocking them out. I just disagree very often. You know it's easier to explain your logical approach than it is for someone whose more inclined to follow their intuition and subjective experience. You focus on proof...facts that have already been discovered by others. I'm still searching for answers to things that I feel haven't quite been answered yet.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Well, people do surround themselves with like minded folks a lot. I like to evolve ideas more than butt heads constantly, myself. I trust my intuition now more than ever...I guess that's where we differ. I do read your posts instead of simply blocking them out. I just disagree very often. You know it's easier to explain your logical approach than it is for someone whose more inclined to follow their intuition and subjective experience. You focus on proof...facts that have already been discovered by others. I'm still searching for answers to things that I feel haven't quite been answered yet.

    What answers are you looking for?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    What answers are you looking for?

    Why are we here? Why do we have this conscience/love/guilt guiding us? Why are we motivated to care outside of our own self interests? Can we learn to live in peace with one another? What is our true potential? How powerful can our thoughts become? Can we live outside our own ego? How can we heal ourselves? Why does our intuition directly conflict with pure logic so often? What is the purpose then of intuition? Why do people feel they need to overcome theirs or dismiss it? Those kinda things.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Why are we here? Why do we have this conscience/love/guilt guiding us? Why are we motivated to care outside of our own self interests? Can we learn to live in peace with one another? What is our true potential? How powerful can our thoughts become? Can we live outside our own ego? How can we heal ourselves? Those kinda things.

    Have you given Dan Dennett a read?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Have you given Dan Dennett a read?

    I edited more thoughts off the top of my head in the post above.

    No, I haven't...got a link to some of his work?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I edited more thoughts off the top of my head in the post above.

    No, I haven't...got a link to some of his work?

    Dennett is a frequent speaker at TED (Technology Entertainment Design). Every year he's there giving a presentation about something. You can view all of those and more videos by him on youtube.
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dan+Dennett

    More here on Dennett
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Dennett#External_links
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Dennett is a frequent speaker at TED (Technology Entertainment Design). Every year he's there giving a presentation about something. You can view all of those and more videos by him on youtube.
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dan+Dennett

    More here on Dennett
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Dennett#External_links

    Thanks. I agree with many of his critiques of the bible. I agreed that you don't have to have faith to have purpose in your life. I liked that in his criticisms he used 'might' and 'possible'...instead the usual arrogant 'either, or' approach. I'd liked that he could still see the good in alternate opinions even if he disagreed with the premise. I liked the vibe of live and let live unless your judgments are causing issues to arise that need to be addressed...he seemed to really grasp the concept of co-existing.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Thanks. I agree with many of his critiques of the bible. I agreed that you don't have to have faith to have purpose in your life. I liked that in his criticisms he used 'might' and 'possible'...instead the usual arrogant 'either, or' approach. I'd liked that he could still see the good in alternate opinions even if he disagreed with the premise. I liked the vibe of live and let live unless your judgments are causing issues to arise that need to be addressed...he seemed to really grasp the concept of co-existing.

    Probably Dennett's greatest quality is that he non-militaristically tries to persuade people to his type of thinking. In strong contrast to say Dawkins or Harris.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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