Interesting ariticle: There Is No God (and you know it)

soulsinging

CorporateWhore wrote:

We establish a far higher level of order than any other animal, and they too have an innate desire for self-preservation. Why is our level so high?

cos we're smarter than them. well, some of us are.

gue_barium

I like the idea somebody put forth that Satan wrote the Bible. I think it must be true.

In another epoch, maybe it won't be true.

fuck

God, that whole article was the worst piece of written diarrhea I've ever read.

gue_barium

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

God, that whole article was the worst piece of written diarrhea I've ever read.

Why?

It may be disagreeable with one, but it's fairly well-written.

fuck

gue_barium wrote:

Why?

It may be disagreeable with one, but it's fairly well-written.

it's not written well. The whole arguement is "if God exists then he's either a mean god or he just doesn't care because people die and he does nothing about it" when the whole point of religion is that people ARE SUPPOSE to die.

gue_barium

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

it's not written well. The whole arguement is "if God exists then he's either a mean god or he just doesn't care because people die and he does nothing about it" when the whole point of religion is that people ARE SUPPOSE to die.

Oh. Well, thanks for the heads-up.

gue_barium

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

it's not written well. The whole arguement is "if God exists then he's either a mean god or he just doesn't care because people die and he does nothing about it" when the whole point of religion is that people ARE SUPPOSE to die.

I don't think that is the point.

It is a fact that people die. There's no getting around that, not even Jesus. That is closer to the point.

kenny olav

I caught the end of the Super Bowl. the Colts keep thanking 'God' for their victory. what a kind of ridiculous God does someone have to believe in to imagine that this God cares about the outcome of a football game?

Gary Carter

Kenny Olav wrote:

I caught the end of the Super Bowl. the Colts keep thanking 'God' for their victory. what a kind of ridiculous God does someone have to believe in to imagine that this God cares about the outcome of a football game?

dude football players are very religious people. if u havent figured that out by now, your fucking clueless

gue_barium

Kenny Olav wrote:

I caught the end of the Super Bowl. the Colts keep thanking 'God' for their victory. what a kind of ridiculous God does someone have to believe in to imagine that this God cares about the outcome of a football game?

The pulpit of now (i.e., as the winning super bowl coach), with media is far different than reality. Media, and money has become reality for the world in so many ways. The survivors seek it, just to bring about a balance, the rulers of those things propogate the false god.

gue_barium

gue_barium wrote:

The pulpit of now (i.e., as the winning super bowl coach), with media is far different than reality. Media, and money has become reality for the world in so many ways. The survivors seek it, just to bring about a balance, the rulers of those things propogate the false god.

god, today, is Satan.

who will save our souls?

sponger

Kenny Olav wrote:

I caught the end of the Super Bowl. the Colts keep thanking 'God' for their victory. what a kind of ridiculous God does someone have to believe in to imagine that this God cares about the outcome of a football game?

It's necessary to win the approval of the moral majority. It makes them appear humble while at the same time giving them credibilty with the club known as judeo-christianity.

ClimberInOz

CorporateWhore wrote:

We establish a far higher level of order than any other animal, and they too have an innate desire for self-preservation. Why is our level so high?

Our greater level of order is reflective of our more developed brains and consequently this gives us a greater ability to preserve ourselves.

Byrnzie

Depends what you mean by the word 'God'.

Byrnzie

know1 wrote:

What a ridiculous article by a simple minded individual.

Please elaborate, oh profound and shadowy one!

Scubascott

Byrnzie wrote:

Please elaborate, oh profound and shadowy one!

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

BinFrog

Kann wrote:

This is something that bothers me with atheist. They despise other people for their beliefs but still promote their own.
I believe atheism is another form of religion. They have dogma, something to worship (humanity and science) and extremists.
Why keep on bashing believers when you could just let them live their life like they feel? "If you hate something, don't you do it to".

I don't despise anyone for their beliefs, nor do I promote my own beliefs. If someone wants to discuss my views and their views, I'm all for it. I'm not proselytizing, I'm debating.

Matt8townsend

CorporateWhore wrote:

There is a purpose for individual acts. If there is a purpose for individual acts, there must be a purpose for all individual acts. Why do we establish order in our world?

I feel that because we establish order, someone else ordered our existence. It didn't happen by accident. What was his reason for ordering our existence?

We establish order in our world because it successfully contributes to our survival.

And I don't understand why it should logically follow that because we establish order someone else must have ordered our existence. Care to elaborate?

And going back to the article obviously it dosn't prove that God dosn't exist - proof of that dosn't exist.

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

No. It's not about athiest/non-athiests. It's about different natural human developmental stages. First, consider that this is worldwide. Also keep in mind that those who hold the power, for example the science-oriented are only 30% of the world's population, even though they hold 50% of the power. Some stages of awareness, and their percentages are:

Mythic order: ie: fundamentalists and people who follow strict codes of right/wrong. In this group people follow strict codes and are controlled by guilt. They are 40% of the population, and 30% of the power.

Ecologically, sensitivity, and pluralistically oriented: Cherish earth, against hierarchies, into lateral bonding: 10% of the world population; 15% of the power. (20-25% of the American population)
(Source: Ken Wilber's "A Theory of Everything")

Science has permeated much of the power structures world-wide. And for example, we have groups that are not developmentally avanced enough to be able to handle certain science awareness. And yet can get their hands on what science has brough forth, such as nuclear weaponry. Which can be a big problem.

In general, though, these basic groups frown upon the world-view of each other. Which brings me back to the point that there are some strongly dogmatic science people, who are assured of the complete rightness of their worldview and cannot understand or accept other views....even on this board.

i was gonna say 'i see' but i dont, hehe. maybe i need to read the book. your whole levels and stages of developmental awareness has never sat well with me though...

CorporateWhore

sponger wrote:

Because our needs are more complex and elaborate than that of a pack of animals. Our system of order accommodates the complexity of our existence.

When you get hungry, you throw a pizza in the oven. The pizza is made from ingredients that were derived from a complex system of preparation. The oven is fire, which is something animals still cannot create.

Our minds are fueled by instincts, but those instincts are channeled through a complex intellect.

I don't have more complex "needs" than a pack of animals. I need food, water, and sex.