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Hopefully there wont be an "After" thread; if so we'll be able to see what the city was like before the US/Isreal strikes. The Iranian gov is a piece of shit, the people are not. That's why this axis of evil crap and letting the gov use the nuclear issue to unit the people behind the gov is such a mistake. There have been so many near uprisings by students against the goverment that doesnt get reported here in the US. Given time the people will rise up and overthrow the goverment; given of course, that f'd up cowboy that we call president doesnt f it up.
You can find the pictures here: http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=351718
You can find the pictures here: http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=351718
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Why own a passport, when almost everything you could ever want to see or do is right here in our home country? As far as Italy goes, I'd think alot more than 80% of people here know where the boot is.
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Ahhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha. Beautifully said. If you can equate taking a vaction from NYC to Florida as a cultural enlightment well then maybe you could be correct. I tend to disagree.
If you think almost everything you could ever want to see or do is right there in the US, than I think you should definitely get a passport and travel and discover how wrong you are.
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I love it when geniuses get sucked in by stereotypes, spit out at them by mindless morons with an agenda.
Is it true all Brits are toothless, pompus drunks who spend all their time at the pubs and staggering aimlessly for hours on end, trying to find their way home?
Yes, see if you travel you can see it for yourself:D
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This speaks volumes - worryingly.
No. We sometimes take taxi's home.
Oh I've traveled.
Truth is, there is British blood in my veins and in my DNA. Not 100%, but just enough to know better:D
Are you sure you Brits can see straight enough, to find those cabbies?
polaris - The only reason he got is elected is b/c the supreme council (neo-cons) kicked all the progressives/moderates off the ballot. The majority of the people protested by not showing up and voting. This the kind of stuff that is just a blip in the news here, but totally changes the picture.
1970RR - Very cool, we moved from their in 1978, im sure we both got out for the same reason (the revolution) but it is a beautiful country; it is sad that it is the people suffering.
another way they are just like us.
Its not really worrying. Yes, everyone everywhere should travel abroad to enlighten themselves culturally. The fact is they don't. Not in America or anywhere else. Why does a higher percentage of Brits have passports? Because they need them to go on a beach holiday in Spain, or a Booze Cruise to France. Don't be fooled into thinking the majority of them are travelling the globe for spiritual enlightenment. America has as much geographic and climate variation as most Brits (or other people) are looking for for their holidays. Culture is a bit different, though it does vary massively as well. My point is just don't assume that owning a passport makes you 'well travelled'. It could just mean there're no sunny beaches in your own country...
Running into Spanish speaking people in Little Havana dosen't make it the same as Spain. Nor running into French people in LA dosen't make it France. I think you are smart enough to realize that.
I agree, the more you travel, the more you understand that the differences are mostly cosmetic. We are all very similar in our habits and beliefs, and in our misconceptions about each other.
I said nothing about spiritual enlightenment. And I said nothing about Brits having passports. I mentioned the fact that the majority of Americans never leave America. As far as Brits needing passports to visit beaches, why do so many Spanish, French, Italians, Australians, South Africans and New Zealanders also have passports and frequently travel the world? Doesn't that put paid to your argument?
May aswell stay at home and watch t.v then.
Edit: But yes, you're right. Most people are very similar in more ways than we imagine. I think it helps to travel to realise that and shake off our prejudices and misconceptions.
http://www.iran.org/
Getting rid of the Shah was a step backward, actually. But whatever. I agree that they have to make the choice. The good news is, there are many organizations formed by Iranians that stand for progress and tolerance.
Shame the U.S government can't set an example by also standing for progress and tolerance, instead of barbarism - unilateral unlawful aggression - and intolerance.
Obviously I was generalising. But if you live in America - where's Umass-Amhurst? - then you'll know that very few Americans travel abroad, which is unfortunate. Of course there are ignorant people everywhere, and I should know that England is largely made up of morons as -as are most places in the world as far as I can see - I speak to them all day at work and listen to them chatting shit on the commute to work 5 days a week. However, I think what I was getting at was that a far larger proportion of Europeans, and Antipodean's, appear to be more inclined to travel to foreign countries. As far as Europeans as a whole are concerned then the Brits probably stand out as being more insular than most other countries, and are guilty of all that you say above, and the fact that most Brits can only speak one language compared to most Europeans is another example of this. I'm not defending Brits because i'm more than aware of all of their/our faults. I was speaking of Americans because it is widely known that a tiny percentage ever get to see Europe and the wider world.
Maybe the Atlantic divide has something to do with it? Maybe there's not enough education or exposure in the U.S relating to the wider world. Perhaps you can tell me??
I think I was very lucky to have taken a few holidays around America at an early age - paid for by my single mum who was by no means wealthy - and I got to see a lot of places - 14 cities the first time. It may also have something to do with the t.v over here that a lot of Europeans know quite a bit about American geography.
I can understand what you say about the cost factor, although you'd be amazed if you came to london at the amount of Australians here - seriously, there are thousands of the buggers! They practically own London pubs now. And the Australian dollar is worth less than the U.S dollar - I think the £'s worth about 4 times the Aussie dollar, compared to the £ being worth just under twice the U.S dollar.
As far as Americans knowing about, being exposed to the wider world on t.v, and in school e.t.c, what's the deal? A lot of people are of the impression that the majority of Americans take little interest in the rest of the world. Is that a fair assumption?