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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    jlew24asu wrote:
    for al queda? what does that mean?

    Come on dude, i know it's not the Porch, but help me out. If there was an "Al Qaida Iraq" before the war, they couldnt fill a 7/11. Sadaam crushed any threat to him including Al Qaida. (not defending Sadaam, just stating a fact).

    The blood of every innocent Iraqi is on the hands of the "Coalition of the Willing"; headed by US. No matter haw bad Sadaam was, at least the avg citizen knew that they had a choice. As miniscule a choice it was, they could shut up and give up some liberties and live. Right now they can go and "vote" for a puppet goverment and still risk dying at any moment while going to buy milk for their kids.

    Just b/c the perpertrator isnt a US soldier it doesnt mean that we can wash our hands of the blood of the dead ever since we invaded that country.

    It's funny that the same people (not u specificily) that were all "kill the arabs" and "kill em all and let allah sort em out" now want to be selective when it comes to whats going on in Iraq.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Bu2 wrote:
    were done because Americans are in Iraq.

    so if we leave today. this type of thing will never happen again? or will it increase?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Open wrote:
    Come on dude, i know it's not the Porch, but help me out. If there was an "Al Qaida Iraq" before the war, they couldnt fill a 7/11. Sadaam crushed any threat to him including Al Qaida. (not defending Sadaam, just stating a fact).
    I agree
    Open wrote:
    The blood of every innocent Iraqi is on the hands of the "Coalition of the Willing"; headed by US. No matter haw bad Sadaam was, at least the avg citizen knew that they had a choice. As miniscule a choice it was, they could shut up and give up some liberties and live. Right now they can go and "vote" for a puppet goverment and still risk dying at any moment while going to buy milk for their kids.
    so the fact that al queda (who are actual people, mostly from other countries) is killing innocent iraqis means nothing? they hold no responsibility for actually carrying out the bombings?
    Open wrote:
    Just b/c the perpertrator isnt a US soldier it doesnt mean that we can wash our hands of the blood of the dead ever since we invaded that country.
    I also agree. but the blood is not only on our hands.
    Open wrote:
    It's funny that the same people (not u specificily) that were all "kill the arabs" and "kill em all and let allah sort em out" now want to be selective when it comes to whats going on in Iraq.
    dont know what ya mean.
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    we won't. We can't leave in one day. But we CAN leave, in a studied, steady manner. And we can allow Iraq to discover for themselves what they need to do. We can show them by example how democracy works, but so far that hasn't really worked, has it?

    We can leave in a manner that will allow our troops to slowly and steadily come home. It's not a matter of "Winning" or "Retreating". It's a matter of withdrawing military troops that are no longer needed to push idealogy. Diplomacy works better in that regard. And diplomacy rarely kills anyone.
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  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I really dont know for sure if this is true. and you shouldnt be listening to god, he's trouble sometimes ;)

    I want to believe this is true as well. but with Iraq having no control of its own country, whats to stop al queda from setting up shop like it did if afganistan and planning more attacks around the world? including american soil, again
    This is tired conversation. America created al-qaida in iraq by waging this horrific war. So your argument is that we KEEP doing what pretty much everyone now admits was a mistake? I'm not calling you crazy, jlew, but that train of thought is absolutely, without question, 100% insane. Nearly all of humanity has accepted the fact that this administration fucked up by going into Iraq. So where's the disconnect? When did it ever become okay to realize you fucked up but then keep doing it hoping that fixes the original mistake? Why isn't it obvious to all species that don't eat their own shit that the first way to right this wrong is to stop doing what we're all accepting was a mistake, which is to be in iraq. Jesus, this is something my 6yo daughter could understand.

    I'm not saying leave Iraq high and dry. We owe them a lot for what we've done. Like an international peace force...and lots and lots of money.

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