Call it how I see it. The only time it becomes amature hour is when you start talking about the economy. Give it a rest already.
I'm glad your following along. I bet you have learned alot from me and drifitin. o thats right, your already the silver investing genius. keep up the good work though, the world needs janitors.
What I dont get is why people say that. How about voting for who you think will be the best president, not who you think the public will or will not vote for.
I'm glad your following along. I bet you have learned alot from me and drifitin. o thats right, your already the silver investing genius. keep up the good work though, the world needs janitors.
so which democrat do you think the american people are ready and willing to elect????
the female....
or the black man??????
because either way......it isnt going to happen.....
and before anyone starts calling me every fucking name in the book....
i realize not electing someone because of race or gender is just plain nonsense....so i dont need any speeches and dont start calling me a racist....
but i just dont see america....as it stands today.....electing either hillary or OBOMB.....
Look at the statistics in terms of race breakdown in Iowa and New Hampshire ~ both are over 90% caucasian. Obama won Iowa handily and damn near pulled off New Hampshire after being 20 points down three weeks or so before the primary. If people in the midwest and northeast are willing to vote for him, I don't see how his candidacy would assuredly fail. He appeals more to independents than any other candidate on either side of the aisle and also has crossover appeal with Republicans. He has a record of working in a bipartisan manner to actually accomplish something. People recognize that.
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I'd take 10 Bill Clinton's over ONE George W Bush and I know Bill's not perfect but I'd take him in a heartbeat over GWB. Now that's a piece of TURD.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
However, they both will be pitching for who they would like or want to be President. Besides you started this thread on Bill Clinton.
Even though I won't be voting for her you appear you'll be hating life if Hillary wins the Presidency sort of like Lance being a 7x champion.
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*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Allow me to make a prediction. After this election cycle, win or lose, (in the case of the general election its a foregone conclusion. Hilary will most definitely lose) hillary dumps bill's ass. She is a cold bitch and he is a lying, cheating, slimey, worthless piece of shit. hillary is a political opprotunist. She has remained married to bill strictly for the political means to an end he provides. When this election cycle is over, and she has no further use for him, win or lose, its splitsville. i guarantee it. You heard it here first.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
However, they both will be pitching for who they would like or want to be President. Besides you started this thread on Bill Clinton.
Even though I won't be voting for her you appear you'll be hating life if Hillary wins the Presidency sort of like Lance being a 7x champion.
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What the fuck are you talking about? I started this thread about bill shutting the fuck up. Not to debate how much of a better president he was than bush. Any moron can figure that out. He needs to stop driving a wedge into the middle of this race.
What the fuck are you talking about? I started this thread about bill shutting the fuck up. Not to debate how much of a better president he was than bush. Any moron can figure that out. He needs to stop driving a wedge into the middle of this race.
Now who's confused he's doing what he's supposed to do. Too bad you don't care for it.
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*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Allow me to make a prediction. After this election cycle, win or lose, (in the case of the general election its a foregone conclusion. Hilary will most definitely lose) hillary dumps bill's ass. She is a cold bitch and he is a lying, cheating, slimey, worthless piece of shit. hillary is a political opprotunist. She has remained married to bill strictly for the political means to an end he provides. When this election cycle is over, and she has no further use for him, win or lose, its splitsville. i guarantee it. You heard it here first.
Who cares?
1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
Allow me to make a prediction. After this election cycle, win or lose, (in the case of the general election its a foregone conclusion. Hilary will most definitely lose) hillary dumps bill's ass. She is a cold bitch and he is a lying, cheating, slimey, worthless piece of shit. hillary is a political opprotunist. She has remained married to bill strictly for the political means to an end he provides. When this election cycle is over, and she has no further use for him, win or lose, its splitsville. i guarantee it. You heard it here first.
yikes your hatred for the clintons is scary. I thought bush was the most hated guy around.
Former Presidents should not be making speaches making shit up and creating an atmosphere that divides democrats. The Clintons need to get the fuck out of the way if they truly believe in change. In reality they dont...
See my post a few spaces back... and I'm an independent liberal, by the way. Please cite what Bill Clinton did that was so positive for the American economy. Links, if you would. NAFTA fucked over a lot of American workers.
Let's consider what else transpired during his presidency:
We endured two terrorist attacks that went unsolved (Khobar Towers and the Cole bombing).
He didn't go after bin Laden beacuse he was mired in the Lewinsky scandal.
He denigrated the office of the presidency with his adultery, lied to the American people, ended up being one of the culprits who cost American taxpayers money (along with the hell-bent Republicans who despised him) and cost our country face. Think of how much differently it would've turned out had he simply been forthright and told the truth before rather than after. The finger-wagging episode while spouting "I did not have sex with that woman" in the faces of every American plugged into the television disgusts me to this day and I'm reminded of it every time he wags his dick-grabbers while campaigning for his bitch of a wife.
Research John Huang and other Chinese who had ties to Bill Clinton and eventually were busted for illegal campiagn contributions.
Check out the Mena connection while he was governor of Arkansas.
He basically was pushed by Hillary into nominating Janet Reno (also Chelsea's biological father) for AG at the behest of his wife; he also appointed another colleague (Webster Hubbell) of Hillary's from Rose Law Firm who got canned within a year and was subsequently indicted for crimes committed which includied stealing from his previous employer. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F06E5DB1330F935A35756C0A961958260
Whitewater???
So please tell me, what did Bill Clinton do that was so good for America?
First off, I know as much about economics as Chris Rock, so I'm not going to get into a debate with anyone about the intricities of economic policy. But I will say this. I lived in Germany in '92-'94. In September of '02, the value of the dollar vs. the mark was at it lowest point ever. The day Bill Clinton was elected, the day, the value jumped about 15% - 20% and there was no looking back. What does that mean to me? The world wanted to do business with an America led by a competent, open minded president. I guarantee you if a Democrat wins the election (even Hillary) you'll see a similar reaction. It's funny, Republicans pride themselves on being fiscally conservative and the "money" folks, but since Reagan was elected, the only period of financial prosperity for all Americans, as much as could be possible for all Americans, was the 90's.
And for the life of me I can't understand how so many people can apparantly still be more upset about Clinton lying about having an affair than Bush & Co. lying to us 3,000 times about a war.
Oh, I almost forgot, I'm no fan of NAFTA, but that was Bill's conservative side. He really wasn't a lib, you know. I'm sure most Repubs were behind NAFTA. They may have pretended they weren't because Bill supported it, but they were behind it.
So fiscal responsibility and the most prosperous 8 years in our countrys history was bad.
what flavor kool aid ya drinkin?
Look, bill's administration is VERY overrated. Really, what was so great about it. All the scandals? The perjury and evidence tampering? The subsequent impeachment? Even he economy seemed to boom IN SPITE of bill more than BECAUSE of bill. Most expert economists are quick to point out that economic trends are quite cyclical and bill was merely a beneficiary of an economic high tide. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Overated indeed. Not to mention his sleaze, lies, scandal and contempt seriously tainted the image of the government and of America in general. We have had 20 solid years of shame embarrasment, folks. bill is very much a part of that.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
And for the life of me I can't understand how so many people can apparantly still be more upset about Clinton lying about having an affair than Bush & Co. lying to us 3,000 times about a war.
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In all due respect, this is a ridiculous argument. Some participating in this thread seem very inspired to point to bush as a justification for bill clinton. That is absolutey an absurdist position to take. Who says i, or anyone else is "more upset" about clinton's lying than george bush's lying? Bush is a lying, idiotic mumblemouth fuck, to be sure. No one has argued that. But to slap a "When clinton lied nobody died" bumper sticker on your car and scream about how great bill was in comparison to bush, and then vote to stick those sleazy, corrupt fuckers back in office is absolutely inasane to me. i just don't understand that reasoning. Most people, those with clear vision, are sick and fucking tired of sleazy ass liars. Period. Be it clinton, or be it bush. bush and his policies have been awful indeed. No one is arguing that. Nominate hillary and bill clinton, however, and you can count on not only those policies continuing for the next four years, but for A LOT longer than that as the republican candidate that handedly defeats clinton in the general election will not only continue those policies, but make them permanent.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Defend herself!? its very clear to anyone paying attention theat the clintons started this mess. Obama was not only baited into defending himself, he was forced to. Now hillary gets to whine and play the victim?! i can't believe anyone is buying her shit! It comes as absolutely no surprisre to me that most exit polling suggests that her largest voting block is the less edcated democratic base. She is pandering to the dumbest of our electorate and it is paying off. Absolutely nauseating.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
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so which democrat do you think the american people are ready and willing to elect????
the female....
or the black man??????
because either way......it isnt going to happen.....
and before anyone starts calling me every fucking name in the book....
i realize not electing someone because of race or gender is just plain nonsense....so i dont need any speeches and dont start calling me a racist....
but i just dont see america....as it stands today.....electing either hillary or OBOMB.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I'm glad your following along. I bet you have learned alot from me and drifitin. o thats right, your already the silver investing genius. keep up the good work though, the world needs janitors.
You're still here?!!!
Look at the statistics in terms of race breakdown in Iowa and New Hampshire ~ both are over 90% caucasian. Obama won Iowa handily and damn near pulled off New Hampshire after being 20 points down three weeks or so before the primary. If people in the midwest and northeast are willing to vote for him, I don't see how his candidacy would assuredly fail. He appeals more to independents than any other candidate on either side of the aisle and also has crossover appeal with Republicans. He has a record of working in a bipartisan manner to actually accomplish something. People recognize that.
yup
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Neither of them are running!
wow that sounds familiar
Its not just me.
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You're only correct speaking strictly technically. In all actuality, we all damn well that one of them IS running.
However, they both will be pitching for who they would like or want to be President. Besides you started this thread on Bill Clinton.
Even though I won't be voting for her you appear you'll be hating life if Hillary wins the Presidency sort of like Lance being a 7x champion.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Is Bill on this website????
What the fuck are you talking about? I started this thread about bill shutting the fuck up. Not to debate how much of a better president he was than bush. Any moron can figure that out. He needs to stop driving a wedge into the middle of this race.
Now who's confused he's doing what he's supposed to do. Too bad you don't care for it.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Who cares?
yikes your hatred for the clintons is scary. I thought bush was the most hated guy around.
what flavor kool aid ya drinkin?
I'm still trying to figure this out. I have asked many times now in this thread. I could care less for hilary but bill was a damn good president.
but please pass this off as your own
I'm talking about NOW, he had two positive terms, now he looks like a has been making shit up, hardly presidential
First off, I know as much about economics as Chris Rock, so I'm not going to get into a debate with anyone about the intricities of economic policy. But I will say this. I lived in Germany in '92-'94. In September of '02, the value of the dollar vs. the mark was at it lowest point ever. The day Bill Clinton was elected, the day, the value jumped about 15% - 20% and there was no looking back. What does that mean to me? The world wanted to do business with an America led by a competent, open minded president. I guarantee you if a Democrat wins the election (even Hillary) you'll see a similar reaction. It's funny, Republicans pride themselves on being fiscally conservative and the "money" folks, but since Reagan was elected, the only period of financial prosperity for all Americans, as much as could be possible for all Americans, was the 90's.
And for the life of me I can't understand how so many people can apparantly still be more upset about Clinton lying about having an affair than Bush & Co. lying to us 3,000 times about a war.
Oh, I almost forgot, I'm no fan of NAFTA, but that was Bill's conservative side. He really wasn't a lib, you know. I'm sure most Repubs were behind NAFTA. They may have pretended they weren't because Bill supported it, but they were behind it.
Look, bill's administration is VERY overrated. Really, what was so great about it. All the scandals? The perjury and evidence tampering? The subsequent impeachment? Even he economy seemed to boom IN SPITE of bill more than BECAUSE of bill. Most expert economists are quick to point out that economic trends are quite cyclical and bill was merely a beneficiary of an economic high tide. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Overated indeed. Not to mention his sleaze, lies, scandal and contempt seriously tainted the image of the government and of America in general. We have had 20 solid years of shame embarrasment, folks. bill is very much a part of that.
In all due respect, this is a ridiculous argument. Some participating in this thread seem very inspired to point to bush as a justification for bill clinton. That is absolutey an absurdist position to take. Who says i, or anyone else is "more upset" about clinton's lying than george bush's lying? Bush is a lying, idiotic mumblemouth fuck, to be sure. No one has argued that. But to slap a "When clinton lied nobody died" bumper sticker on your car and scream about how great bill was in comparison to bush, and then vote to stick those sleazy, corrupt fuckers back in office is absolutely inasane to me. i just don't understand that reasoning. Most people, those with clear vision, are sick and fucking tired of sleazy ass liars. Period. Be it clinton, or be it bush. bush and his policies have been awful indeed. No one is arguing that. Nominate hillary and bill clinton, however, and you can count on not only those policies continuing for the next four years, but for A LOT longer than that as the republican candidate that handedly defeats clinton in the general election will not only continue those policies, but make them permanent.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/25/clinton-i-have-to-defend-myself/
Defend herself!? its very clear to anyone paying attention theat the clintons started this mess. Obama was not only baited into defending himself, he was forced to. Now hillary gets to whine and play the victim?! i can't believe anyone is buying her shit! It comes as absolutely no surprisre to me that most exit polling suggests that her largest voting block is the less edcated democratic base. She is pandering to the dumbest of our electorate and it is paying off. Absolutely nauseating.