aside from being outspoken in support of his wife, i don't see how he's different from the other spouses except that he used to be president himself- for two terms- and some people still can't get over that.
Former Presidents should not be making speaches making shit up and creating an atmosphere that divides democrats. The Clintons need to get the fuck out of the way if they truly believe in change. In reality they dont...
Former Presidents should not be making speaches making shit up and creating an atmosphere that divides democrats. The Clintons need to get the fuck out of the way if they truly believe in change. In reality they dont...
I agree, problem is that Americans don't really want change. They're scared to death of it. They would rather watch this country die a slow death than take a chance at making a better tomorrow. Bill is just preying on those fears. Sure it's not a nice thing to do, but it's how the political game is played.
Bill's the kind of guy who will pardon a mossad agent hours before leaving office, because it gave him a warm fuzzy warm feeling in the pocket book.
also to go along with that selling US military secrets to the Chinese and while he was in office missing Bin Laden TWICE...and while he was in office the seeds of 9/11 were unraveling, but what did he care he was leaving office?
so what did Clinton actually do? the economy? ummm no..he just happened to be in when things were good....remember the economy runs off a many year slope so its hit or miss when your president
he did do one thing, he did increase hand outs?
my last comment is this no more Clintons and no more Bush's
aside from being outspoken in support of his wife, i don't see how he's different from the other spouses except that he used to be president himself- for two terms- and some people still can't get over that.
So THATS what you call it. "being outspoken in support of his wife". Now i understand. Thanks a ton. :rolleyes:
What he's doing is not supporting his wife. What he is doing is lying his fat ass off, slandering their challenger (yes i said THEIR challenger), completely distorting facts and THEN accusing his victim of doing what he's doing! He's not supporting his wife. He's exposing them both for the sad sacks they both really are and undermining our democratic foundations. In response to recent complaints of their tactics in NV hillary said something along the lines of "its not illegal unless they tell you it is". Thats the fucking people we're talking about! i havn't forgotten he served two terms as president, but you seem to have forgotten he was fucking IMPEACHED. We can't even get Bush impeached. clinton was impeached for being a lying, perjuring, evidence tampering sack of shit!
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
to me, even though what he is doing is really acceptable on its face, I mean...hell, it IS politics afterall and he's stumping for the Missus. I feel like it kind of looks like he's doing Hilary's dirty work. Stirring up shit on her behalf while she smiles and attempts to talk about the issues. She appears spotless and nice and Bill talks smack. For instance, in one news article Hilary says something to the effect of how she is "making a positive case" for her presidency. Yet, Bill disses Obama.
I'm not saying its wrong. But it is starting to turn me off from Hilary. Not that I was ever really "pro" Hilary, but I am becoming "anti" Hilary because of it.
to me, even though what he is doing is really acceptable on its face, I mean...hell, it IS politics afterall and he's stumping for the Missus. I feel like it kind of looks like he's doing Hilary's dirty work. Stirring up shit on her behalf while she smiles and attempts to talk about the issues. She appears spotless and nice and Bill talks smack. For instance, in one news article Hilary says something to the effect of how she is "making a positive case" for her presidency. Yet, Bill disses Obama.
I'm not saying its wrong. But it is starting to turn me off from Hilary. Not that I was ever really "pro" Hilary, but I am becoming "anti" Hilary because of it.
If i may disagree respectfully, the things bill are saying are innaccurate. They are completely false. Media investigations have proven them false. He's lying! "stumping for the missus" is one thing. Lies and slander are an altogether different animal. Lying is, in fact, wrong.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
politicians lie, wow that is shocking
politicians cheat on their wives, wow that is shocking
politicians make sweeheart deals upon leaving office, wow that is shocking
politicians engage in questionable tactics to get elected, wow that is shocking
Bill is the man, and Id love to have him back in the white house-even if it was just to chase interns and serve southern food. Y'all is being a bit self-righteous here.
If i may disagree respectfully, the things bill are saying are innaccurate. They are completely false. Media investigations have proven them false. He's lying! "stumping for the missus" is one thing. Lies and slander are an altogether different animal. Lying is, in fact, wrong.
I do agree with you.
I kind of feel like there is nothing we can do about what is being said, its all politics. Politicians lie about something or other. And apparently so do their spouses. I think that is what I was trying to say, he is under less scrutiny than Hilary because he is NOT the one running for president. So, he says what he wants (lies) and she smiles and waves.
I kind of think we're saying the same thing, only you are saying it more pointedly than I am.
politicians lie, wow that is shocking
politicians cheat on their wives, wow that is shocking
politicians make sweeheart deals upon leaving office, wow that is shocking
politicians engage in questionable tactics to get elected, wow that is shocking
Bill is the man, and Id love to have him back in the white house-even if it was just to chase interns and serve southern food. Y'all is being a bit slf-righteous here.
We dont need this bullshit dividing the party... we need to win the election. You Bill followers are almost as bad as the Bushies...
I guess you havnt been following the primaries. If you have been you would know exactly what I am talking about.
yes I have been following. maybe not as closely as you but I just dont see what the issue is. I was hoping you would tell me at least one thing. guess not
politicians lie, wow that is shocking
politicians cheat on their wives, wow that is shocking
politicians make sweeheart deals upon leaving office, wow that is shocking
politicians engage in questionable tactics to get elected, wow that is shocking
Bill is the man, and Id love to have him back in the white house-even if it was just to chase interns and serve southern food. Y'all is being a bit self-righteous here.
Then you deserve what you get. But, alas, hilary stands no shot in the general election. At least your words serve to expose the average hillary clinton voter. They are not voting for hillary. They are voting for bill. Personally, i can't tell where one stops and the other begins. They're both dispicable.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Then you deserve what you get. But, alas, hilary stands no shot in the general election. At least your words serve to expose the average hillary clinton voter. They are not voting for hillary. They are voting for bill. Personally, i can't tell where one stops and the other begins. They're both dispicable.
Niether does obama. Do you really think our country will accept a black president? Perhaps im cynical, but I dont think either is electable.
Niether does obama. Do you really think our country will accept a black president? Perhaps im cynical, but I dont think either is electable.
Again, i disagree. Barack Obama is a leader and uniter. He trancends race and the electorate (94% White in Iowa, 96% white in NH) seems to have shown that so far. He is not an abravisive, divisive "Black" candidate such as Al Sharpton or even Jesse Jackson. Factor in his overwhelming independant and even some crossover support and i think he wins. YOU may not be willing to accept a black president, and certain segments of the population may not be wiling to accept it, but i think enough of the population is ready.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
You think the republicans are going to win this election? Give me a break...
And yes I fucking DO think this country is ready for and NEEDs a black president... we need something different. Im ready to get the fuck out if not.
You might want to make a refundable reservation.
I think this country will not elect a black candidate.
I think a republician candidiate with a war background could sell this country on him being the "right guy to end this"-perhaps a POW who also gets sympathy votes. They will distance themselves from GW, and people will buy what they are selling.
I am very scared that the republicans will win. Once the ad campaigns get going, and its the trusted war vet against the inexperienced black man or the woman with the straying husband, I think the war vet wins. Perhaps thats cynical, but I fear its going that way.
Obama is saying a lot of the right things, and his passion is invigorating.
But people forget there is a huge difference between a having a good platform and winning an election. While our country has progressed, you cant deny that a lot of our population still holds antiquated opinions about race and gender. I fear that, along with trumpeting of a war hero, may spell trouble for the democrats.
FYI I sure as fuck aint no republican-Im trying to be objective here.
Again, i disagree. Barack Obama is a leader and uniter. He trancends race and the electorate (94% White in Iowa, 96% white in NH) seems to have shown that so far. He is not an abravisive, divisive "Black" candidate such as Al Sharpton or even Jesse Jackson. Factor in his overwhelming independant and even some crossover support and i think he wins. YOU may not be willing to accept a black president, and certain segments of the population may not be wiling to accept it, but i think enough of the population is ready.
I can accept a black president, and there is no need for you to make it personal. I would never vote republican so put that out of your head.
I believe you are wrong about the numbers. Enough of the population is not ready-IMHO-and it does not matter if its a radical candidate or not.
Cynical perhaps, but thats the way I see it.
My conservative white Republican friend, who has never voted democrat in his life, is considering Obama.
He just sees nothing but extreme nut jobs on the Republican side. By process of elimination he really thinks, at a minimum, Obama can unite the people again.
Obama is saying a lot of the right things, and his passion is invigorating.
But people forget there is a huge difference between a having a good platform and winning an election. While our country has progressed, you cant deny that a lot of our population still holds antiquated opinions about race and gender. I fear that, along with trumpeting of a war hero, may spell trouble for the democrats.
FYI I sure as fuck aint no republican-Im trying to be objective here.
How about you help change things instead of being so fucking negative...
you saying "this country isnt ready" contributes to the problem.
John McCain, Mr. Pro War, Mr. Iraq for 100 years, Mr. I dont get the economy? Fucking hell... you sure sound like a republican...
You think the republicans are going to win this election? Give me a break...
And yes I fucking DO think this country is ready for and NEEDs a black president... we need something different. Im ready to get the fuck out if not.
I hear so many people say "we need something different". I hope you're voting for Obama for more than that reason.
Obama supporters keep acting as though they're the innocent bystanders in all of this; as though they never distort the truth. Really? Well I hope you tell Shirley Franklin to shut the fuck up too because I've yet to hear a greater distortion of truth than the one that came from her mouth on MLK day. If anything she owes Bill Clinton an apology for twisting his words around, implying that he said the US wasn't ready for a black president. What a joke.
How about you help change things instead of being so fucking negative...
you saying "this country isnt ready" contributes to the problem.
John McCain, Mr. Pro War, Mr. Iraq for 100 years, Mr. I dont get the economy? Fucking hell... you sure sound like a republican...
Trying to call it like I see it man, thats it.
And I do happen to support one of the democratic candidates, and I will vote.
Thats about all I have time for.
If anything, I have a negative opinion regarding the intelligence of the average american voter. I fear they will be swayed by the American pride BS that the republicans always throw at us. I dont like McCain, but you have to agree that CV will make for some nice, mushy commericals. Voters love that shit.
something very shady about a booming economy...what an ass
How do you figure Bill receives all due credit for this? He didn't do fuck-all for the economy in the long term. How much has NAFTA benefitted everyday Americans? Not one fucking bit ~ in the long term it's sent American jobs overseas and benefitted corporate interests to where they could invest in countries with much smaller tax burdens. Perhaps if Bill would've had the foresight to put some language in NAFTA such as the recent Peruvian trade deal (environmental/ worker quality standards), jobs wouldn't be lost and big companies wouldn't have left.
Bill Clinton just happened to be the president during the tech boom, nothing more, nothing less.
Trading magic for fact, no tradebacks... So this is what it's like to be an adult...
I love how people will give Bill Clinton no credit for the booming economy in the 90's but are so quick to excuse Bushy for the current problems. I'd imagine these same people watch a whole lot of Fox News. It's really comical how they try to pin everything wrong on the Democrats. On the Daily Show yesterday they were showing how many of the Fox News talking heads were blaming the US economy woes on concerns that a Dem will be president. What utter bullshit!
I love how people will give Bill Clinton no credit for the booming economy in the 90's but are so quick to excuse Bushy for the current problems. I'd imagine these same people watch a whole lot of Fox News. It's really comical how they try to pin everything wrong on the Democrats. On the Daily Show yesterday they were showing how many of the Fox News talking heads were blaming the US economy woes on concerns that a Dem will be president. What utter bullshit!
See my post a few spaces back... and I'm an independent liberal, by the way. Please cite what Bill Clinton did that was so positive for the American economy. Links, if you would. NAFTA fucked over a lot of American workers.
Let's consider what else transpired during his presidency:
We endured two terrorist attacks that went unsolved (Khobar Towers and the Cole bombing).
He didn't go after bin Laden beacuse he was mired in the Lewinsky scandal.
He denigrated the office of the presidency with his adultery, lied to the American people, ended up being one of the culprits who cost American taxpayers money (along with the hell-bent Republicans who despised him) and cost our country face. Think of how much differently it would've turned out had he simply been forthright and told the truth before rather than after. The finger-wagging episode while spouting "I did not have sex with that woman" in the faces of every American plugged into the television disgusts me to this day and I'm reminded of it every time he wags his dick-grabbers while campaigning for his bitch of a wife.
Research John Huang and other Chinese who had ties to Bill Clinton and eventually were busted for illegal campiagn contributions.
Check out the Mena connection while he was governor of Arkansas.
He basically was pushed by Hillary into nominating Janet Reno (also Chelsea's biological father) for AG at the behest of his wife; he also appointed another colleague (Webster Hubbell) of Hillary's from Rose Law Firm who got canned within a year and was subsequently indicted for crimes committed which includied stealing from his previous employer. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F06E5DB1330F935A35756C0A961958260
Whitewater???
So please tell me, what did Bill Clinton do that was so good for America?
Trading magic for fact, no tradebacks... So this is what it's like to be an adult...
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Former Presidents should not be making speaches making shit up and creating an atmosphere that divides democrats. The Clintons need to get the fuck out of the way if they truly believe in change. In reality they dont...
I agree, problem is that Americans don't really want change. They're scared to death of it. They would rather watch this country die a slow death than take a chance at making a better tomorrow. Bill is just preying on those fears. Sure it's not a nice thing to do, but it's how the political game is played.
also to go along with that selling US military secrets to the Chinese and while he was in office missing Bin Laden TWICE...and while he was in office the seeds of 9/11 were unraveling, but what did he care he was leaving office?
so what did Clinton actually do? the economy? ummm no..he just happened to be in when things were good....remember the economy runs off a many year slope so its hit or miss when your president
he did do one thing, he did increase hand outs?
my last comment is this no more Clintons and no more Bush's
So THATS what you call it. "being outspoken in support of his wife". Now i understand. Thanks a ton. :rolleyes:
What he's doing is not supporting his wife. What he is doing is lying his fat ass off, slandering their challenger (yes i said THEIR challenger), completely distorting facts and THEN accusing his victim of doing what he's doing! He's not supporting his wife. He's exposing them both for the sad sacks they both really are and undermining our democratic foundations. In response to recent complaints of their tactics in NV hillary said something along the lines of "its not illegal unless they tell you it is". Thats the fucking people we're talking about! i havn't forgotten he served two terms as president, but you seem to have forgotten he was fucking IMPEACHED. We can't even get Bush impeached. clinton was impeached for being a lying, perjuring, evidence tampering sack of shit!
I'm not saying its wrong. But it is starting to turn me off from Hilary. Not that I was ever really "pro" Hilary, but I am becoming "anti" Hilary because of it.
If i may disagree respectfully, the things bill are saying are innaccurate. They are completely false. Media investigations have proven them false. He's lying! "stumping for the missus" is one thing. Lies and slander are an altogether different animal. Lying is, in fact, wrong.
politicians lie, wow that is shocking
politicians cheat on their wives, wow that is shocking
politicians make sweeheart deals upon leaving office, wow that is shocking
politicians engage in questionable tactics to get elected, wow that is shocking
Bill is the man, and Id love to have him back in the white house-even if it was just to chase interns and serve southern food. Y'all is being a bit self-righteous here.
I do agree with you.
I kind of feel like there is nothing we can do about what is being said, its all politics. Politicians lie about something or other. And apparently so do their spouses.
I kind of think we're saying the same thing, only you are saying it more pointedly than I am.
We dont need this bullshit dividing the party... we need to win the election. You Bill followers are almost as bad as the Bushies...
yes I have been following. maybe not as closely as you but I just dont see what the issue is. I was hoping you would tell me at least one thing. guess not
I agree, but the party is in big trouble anyway, and Obama is just as guilty for the bickering-its coming from both sides.
Do you think the country is ready for a black or a female president?
They are not IMHO, and putting them up as our two best options does not bode well for the party.
Then you deserve what you get. But, alas, hilary stands no shot in the general election. At least your words serve to expose the average hillary clinton voter. They are not voting for hillary. They are voting for bill. Personally, i can't tell where one stops and the other begins. They're both dispicable.
Niether does obama. Do you really think our country will accept a black president? Perhaps im cynical, but I dont think either is electable.
You think the republicans are going to win this election? Give me a break...
And yes I fucking DO think this country is ready for and NEEDs a black president... we need something different. Im ready to get the fuck out if not.
You might want to make a refundable reservation.
I think this country will not elect a black candidate.
I think a republician candidiate with a war background could sell this country on him being the "right guy to end this"-perhaps a POW who also gets sympathy votes. They will distance themselves from GW, and people will buy what they are selling.
I am very scared that the republicans will win. Once the ad campaigns get going, and its the trusted war vet against the inexperienced black man or the woman with the straying husband, I think the war vet wins. Perhaps thats cynical, but I fear its going that way.
Obama is saying a lot of the right things, and his passion is invigorating.
But people forget there is a huge difference between a having a good platform and winning an election. While our country has progressed, you cant deny that a lot of our population still holds antiquated opinions about race and gender. I fear that, along with trumpeting of a war hero, may spell trouble for the democrats.
FYI I sure as fuck aint no republican-Im trying to be objective here.
I can accept a black president, and there is no need for you to make it personal. I would never vote republican so put that out of your head.
I believe you are wrong about the numbers. Enough of the population is not ready-IMHO-and it does not matter if its a radical candidate or not.
Cynical perhaps, but thats the way I see it.
He just sees nothing but extreme nut jobs on the Republican side. By process of elimination he really thinks, at a minimum, Obama can unite the people again.
How about you help change things instead of being so fucking negative...
you saying "this country isnt ready" contributes to the problem.
John McCain, Mr. Pro War, Mr. Iraq for 100 years, Mr. I dont get the economy? Fucking hell... you sure sound like a republican...
Double post...
I hear so many people say "we need something different". I hope you're voting for Obama for more than that reason.
Obama supporters keep acting as though they're the innocent bystanders in all of this; as though they never distort the truth. Really? Well I hope you tell Shirley Franklin to shut the fuck up too because I've yet to hear a greater distortion of truth than the one that came from her mouth on MLK day. If anything she owes Bill Clinton an apology for twisting his words around, implying that he said the US wasn't ready for a black president. What a joke.
Trying to call it like I see it man, thats it.
And I do happen to support one of the democratic candidates, and I will vote.
Thats about all I have time for.
If anything, I have a negative opinion regarding the intelligence of the average american voter. I fear they will be swayed by the American pride BS that the republicans always throw at us. I dont like McCain, but you have to agree that CV will make for some nice, mushy commericals. Voters love that shit.
How do you figure Bill receives all due credit for this? He didn't do fuck-all for the economy in the long term. How much has NAFTA benefitted everyday Americans? Not one fucking bit ~ in the long term it's sent American jobs overseas and benefitted corporate interests to where they could invest in countries with much smaller tax burdens. Perhaps if Bill would've had the foresight to put some language in NAFTA such as the recent Peruvian trade deal (environmental/ worker quality standards), jobs wouldn't be lost and big companies wouldn't have left.
Bill Clinton just happened to be the president during the tech boom, nothing more, nothing less.
by all means get the fuck out. dont even wait, just go.
See my post a few spaces back... and I'm an independent liberal, by the way. Please cite what Bill Clinton did that was so positive for the American economy. Links, if you would. NAFTA fucked over a lot of American workers.
Let's consider what else transpired during his presidency:
We endured two terrorist attacks that went unsolved (Khobar Towers and the Cole bombing).
He didn't go after bin Laden beacuse he was mired in the Lewinsky scandal.
He denigrated the office of the presidency with his adultery, lied to the American people, ended up being one of the culprits who cost American taxpayers money (along with the hell-bent Republicans who despised him) and cost our country face. Think of how much differently it would've turned out had he simply been forthright and told the truth before rather than after. The finger-wagging episode while spouting "I did not have sex with that woman" in the faces of every American plugged into the television disgusts me to this day and I'm reminded of it every time he wags his dick-grabbers while campaigning for his bitch of a wife.
Research John Huang and other Chinese who had ties to Bill Clinton and eventually were busted for illegal campiagn contributions.
Check out the Mena connection while he was governor of Arkansas.
He basically was pushed by Hillary into nominating Janet Reno (also Chelsea's biological father) for AG at the behest of his wife; he also appointed another colleague (Webster Hubbell) of Hillary's from Rose Law Firm who got canned within a year and was subsequently indicted for crimes committed which includied stealing from his previous employer. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F06E5DB1330F935A35756C0A961958260
Whitewater???
So please tell me, what did Bill Clinton do that was so good for America?
Figure of speech moron. :rolleyes:
o really, sorry I havent heard that one. love the name calling though. you do a good job of turning this place into amateur hour
Call it how I see it. The only time it becomes amature hour is when you start talking about the economy. Give it a rest already.
i say our next president is a republican......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....