I am an Independent (I am voting Dem this year) but McCain is not that bad. At least he listens to other people/parties. Also, at least it seems like he gives a shit. The Rep. party could have a worse rep.
Here the thing everyone... Obama he has to pull this off. I don't want to vote for Clinton because of this and many people over look this fact. We cannot & have two family's (Bush & Clinton) run this country. Quotes from article with link.
"Forty percent of Americans have never lived when there wasn't a Bush or a Clinton in the White House. Anyone got a problem with that?"
"And now, if Hillary Clinton were to be elected and re-elected, the nation could go 28 years in a row with the same two families governing the country. Add the elder Bush's terms as vice president, and that would be 36 years straight with a Bush or Clinton in the White House."
i know alot of people over 60 that have more enegy than 20 years old. also, why should mcCain not be the candidate. are all 60 years odl supposed to just stay home and play bridge. or maybe they should just work at Wal_mart nothing to hard for them. and also if i am correct Keith Richards is over 60 and so is Mick Jagger and having seen them in concert i would say they have energy.
there are exceptions to the rule, yes, but most people are groaning if they're required to get out of a chair by their late fifties. they start to catnap in the afternoon. that's not really country-governing material, escpecially if there's a potential four-year term at stake.
" John Mccain..What do you people see in this dude? "
A very old, very full of shit puppet for the status quo.
" Barack Obama..What do you people see in this dude? "
A very young, very full of shit puppet for the status quo.
" Hillary Clinton..What do you people see in this dudette? "
A not so young, but not so old puppet for the status quo.
" Dennis Kucinich ..What do you people see in this dude? "
A guy with more balls and integrity then all of the Congress, Supreme Court and White House.......put together. The guy who should be our next president.
" Ralph Nadar ..What do you people see in this dude? "
He's not Dennis Kucinich, but he's a reasonable option to Kucinich. Better than the Three Amigos currently getting all the press; in the this twisted and ridiculous campaign-Game Show known as " Who Wants To Be President Of The United States Of America ".
Take us to a commercial break, Regis.
That's it!
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
McCain and Bush are in the same boat to me, only Bush is a bumbling nincompoop (sp?).
But........George W Bush Jr. is NOT running for president in this election.
And McCain is simply another George W. Bush Jr. (god it hurts like hell just typing out this guy's name..grueling...my brain resents my typing his name).
So why would you vote for exactly the same crap that we have had for the last eight years? Why would you vote for a guy who is certain to continue carrying the flag for the current administration and all of their policies, special interests and their same corporate pandering?
I mean, don't get me wrong here. It's your right to vote for who ever you want and I'm not trying to tell you what to do or attack you.
But your reasoning makes no sense, to me.
You have Ralph Nadar running, too. At the very least Nadar represents a distinct change. Yeah, he has his faults. But he's definitely more of a viable and legitimate option for any American who wants real change.
So why not Nadar?
The lesser of all four evils (Obama, Clinton, McCain and Nadar) is clearly ......Ralph Nadar!!!!!!
And McCain is simply another George W. Bush Jr. (god it hurts like hell just typing out this guy's name..grueling...my brain resents my typing his name).
are you talking about as far as the war goes, or in general? because if you're comparing McCain to Bush in general, I think you're way off. he is a lot more liberal than Bush and has a history of working across party lines more than probably any other Republican.
If I remember correctly, I believe McCain was voted the 6th most liberal Republican senator whereas Obama was voted the most liberal senator overall. what this says is that McCain is a lot closer to the "middle" than Obama.
There has been talk over the years of McCain going independant, as his many of his politics were so out of whack with the Republican party. I also am pretty sure there were some rumors at one point that he was even going to be Kerry's VP runningmate in 2004.
all that said, I'm not voting for McCain. it just irks me when I see him compared to Bush, because they are a world apart, except for the fact that Reps and Dems are all technically about the same imo.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
If I really believed that I was voting for the lesser of the 2 evils, I would not vote at all. You should only vote if you believe in what your canidate is representing. voting for the lesser of the 2 evils is wrong, you might as well vote for mccain then if that is how you feel.
Obama '08
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New York- 2008, 2010
Boston - Fenway 2016 (night 2) , 2024 (night1) East Rutherford, New Jersey- 2006
Chicago - Lollapalooza 2007
Seattle- Gorge 2005
EV Solo- DC x2, Baltimore x2 , Newark NJ x2, Tower Theater x2
2013. it might as well be forever for some. for the soldiers and innocent civillians that get killed in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 it will be forever. no homecoming for them. i want them home now.
You are part of the problem, then. This is very myopic thinking.
I agree.
I consider myself conservative. I don't feel like there is a conservative candidate, so that's why I'll be stuck voting for McCain. He's as close to conservative given the alternatives. I don't want to vote for him, but I feel like I should because I certainly don't want a radical for Pres.
I consider myself conservative. I don't feel like there is a conservative candidate, so that's why I'll be stuck voting for McCain. He's as close to conservative given the alternatives. I don't want to vote for him, but I feel like I should because I certainly don't want a radical for Pres.
Radical? Is what we have now considered normal?
I'm gonna take a leaping wide guess and say no.
Why vote for the exact same policies then?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I consider myself conservative. I don't feel like there is a conservative candidate, so that's why I'll be stuck voting for McCain. He's as close to conservative given the alternatives. I don't want to vote for him, but I feel like I should because I certainly don't want a radical for Pres.
You're no stuck voting for anyone.
You're simply voting based on party loyalty, not true issues and realistic solutions.
Which of course is a significant problem. When you choose to vote based on party loyalties; you not only do a disservice to your country; you become a part of the problem. Not a part of the solution.
Nothing this administration has done can be considered " Conservative".
In fact, everything this administration has done has been radical and very damaging.
What this country needs is some radical change .....in a positive manner and productive direction. McCain doesn't fit that bill.
Yet you want a conservative approach to a desperate and rapidly snowballing problem....that has already been snoballing for a very long time?
You're simply voting based on party loyalty, not true issues and realistic solutions.
Which of course is a significant problem. When you choose to vote based on party loyalties; you not only do a disservice to your country; you become a part of the problem. Not a part of the solution.
Nothing this administration has done can be considered " Conservative".
In fact, everything this administration has done has been radical and very damaging.
What this country needs is some radical change .....in a positive manner and productive direction. McCain doesn't fit that bill.
Yet you want a conservative approach to a desperate and rapidly snowballing problem....that has already been snoballing for a very long time?
So status quo is okay with you?
I agree whole-heartedly with voting for change. I dont think Mccain fits any bill that we need right now. Obama definately does , and I think he can lead our country in a positive way and not in a negative sense that it is right now. Ive noticed a lot of republican voters even seeing that right now. I think the rep. voters may sway away this election and go dem.
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New York- 2008, 2010
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Chicago - Lollapalooza 2007
Seattle- Gorge 2005
EV Solo- DC x2, Baltimore x2 , Newark NJ x2, Tower Theater x2
If the majority of Americans were informed and bright, we would have Ron Paul as the Republican candidate and Joe Biden as the Democratic candidate. Unfortunately, far too many people vote based on superficial garbage.
2013. it might as well be forever for some. for the soldiers and innocent civillians that get killed in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 it will be forever. no homecoming for them. i want them home now.
Well, you're screwed. Because Obama isn't bringing them home now, either.
In fact, I'd be shocked if Obama brought them all home before 2013.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
If the majority of Americans were informed and bright, we would have Ron Paul as the Republican candidate and Joe Biden as the Democratic candidate. Unfortunately, far too many people vote based on superficial garbage.
I wouldn't vote for Biden but I definitely think he would be a better president than Clinton, McCain or Obama. Ron Paul is the fucking man.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Well, you're screwed. Because Obama isn't bringing them home now, either.
In fact, I'd be shocked if Obama brought them all home before 2013.
Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months
Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months
'This book is a collection of quotes taken from various speeches and comments made by Barak Obama....'
anyway, i was flipping through it and found this quote interesting:
"People see John McCain as a prima dona. I think of him as a role model."
Men's Vogue Fall Issue 2006
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Hi Drifting,
I'm pretty set for gear right now, but thanks for asking anyway. Wouldn't hurt to post it up in the musicians forum though. Someone there may be keen. Hope you're keeping well.
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Here the thing everyone... Obama he has to pull this off. I don't want to vote for Clinton because of this and many people over look this fact. We cannot & have two family's (Bush & Clinton) run this country. Quotes from article with link.
"Forty percent of Americans have never lived when there wasn't a Bush or a Clinton in the White House. Anyone got a problem with that?"
"And now, if Hillary Clinton were to be elected and re-elected, the nation could go 28 years in a row with the same two families governing the country. Add the elder Bush's terms as vice president, and that would be 36 years straight with a Bush or Clinton in the White House."
http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/1082219/bush_clinton_bush__clinton/index.html?source=r_general
lesser of two evils. Just like every other election.
there are exceptions to the rule, yes, but most people are groaning if they're required to get out of a chair by their late fifties. they start to catnap in the afternoon. that's not really country-governing material, escpecially if there's a potential four-year term at stake.
That's it!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
But........George W Bush Jr. is NOT running for president in this election.
And McCain is simply another George W. Bush Jr. (god it hurts like hell just typing out this guy's name..grueling...my brain resents my typing his name).
So why would you vote for exactly the same crap that we have had for the last eight years? Why would you vote for a guy who is certain to continue carrying the flag for the current administration and all of their policies, special interests and their same corporate pandering?
I mean, don't get me wrong here. It's your right to vote for who ever you want and I'm not trying to tell you what to do or attack you.
But your reasoning makes no sense, to me.
You have Ralph Nadar running, too. At the very least Nadar represents a distinct change. Yeah, he has his faults. But he's definitely more of a viable and legitimate option for any American who wants real change.
So why not Nadar?
The lesser of all four evils (Obama, Clinton, McCain and Nadar) is clearly ......Ralph Nadar!!!!!!
are you talking about as far as the war goes, or in general? because if you're comparing McCain to Bush in general, I think you're way off. he is a lot more liberal than Bush and has a history of working across party lines more than probably any other Republican.
If I remember correctly, I believe McCain was voted the 6th most liberal Republican senator whereas Obama was voted the most liberal senator overall. what this says is that McCain is a lot closer to the "middle" than Obama.
There has been talk over the years of McCain going independant, as his many of his politics were so out of whack with the Republican party. I also am pretty sure there were some rumors at one point that he was even going to be Kerry's VP runningmate in 2004.
all that said, I'm not voting for McCain. it just irks me when I see him compared to Bush, because they are a world apart, except for the fact that Reps and Dems are all technically about the same imo.
To be fair, alot of people thought the same of George W Bush
The republicans sure had enough crooked people in their pocket to make sure it happened though
mccain and bush are the same to you, and you think mccain is too far to the left?
i stick with my original statement
so mccain represents the lesser of 2 evils?
again, i stick to my original statement :cool:
get it right... it's McSame
say it with me....Mic-Saaaame...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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If I really believed that I was voting for the lesser of the 2 evils, I would not vote at all. You should only vote if you believe in what your canidate is representing. voting for the lesser of the 2 evils is wrong, you might as well vote for mccain then if that is how you feel.
Obama '08
Philly- 2005, 2013, 2016, 2024
Camden 2000, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2022, 2023
Philly Spectrum 2009 x4 - We closed that MFER Down Proper
Baltimore- 2024
DC- 2006, 2008
New York- 2008, 2010
Boston - Fenway 2016 (night 2) , 2024 (night1)
East Rutherford, New Jersey- 2006
Chicago - Lollapalooza 2007
Seattle- Gorge 2005
EV Solo- DC x2, Baltimore x2 , Newark NJ x2, Tower Theater x2
- Given To Fly
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/1958790/US-elections-John-McCain-promises-to-pull-troops-from-Iraq-by-2013.html
Way to keep up ...
for the least they could possibly do
2013. it might as well be forever for some. for the soldiers and innocent civillians that get killed in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 it will be forever. no homecoming for them. i want them home now.
You are part of the problem, then. This is very myopic thinking.
I agree.
I consider myself conservative. I don't feel like there is a conservative candidate, so that's why I'll be stuck voting for McCain. He's as close to conservative given the alternatives. I don't want to vote for him, but I feel like I should because I certainly don't want a radical for Pres.
Radical? Is what we have now considered normal?
I'm gonna take a leaping wide guess and say no.
Why vote for the exact same policies then?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Philly- 2005, 2013, 2016, 2024
Camden 2000, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2022, 2023
Philly Spectrum 2009 x4 - We closed that MFER Down Proper
Baltimore- 2024
DC- 2006, 2008
New York- 2008, 2010
Boston - Fenway 2016 (night 2) , 2024 (night1)
East Rutherford, New Jersey- 2006
Chicago - Lollapalooza 2007
Seattle- Gorge 2005
EV Solo- DC x2, Baltimore x2 , Newark NJ x2, Tower Theater x2
- Given To Fly
You're no stuck voting for anyone.
You're simply voting based on party loyalty, not true issues and realistic solutions.
Which of course is a significant problem. When you choose to vote based on party loyalties; you not only do a disservice to your country; you become a part of the problem. Not a part of the solution.
Nothing this administration has done can be considered " Conservative".
In fact, everything this administration has done has been radical and very damaging.
What this country needs is some radical change .....in a positive manner and productive direction. McCain doesn't fit that bill.
Yet you want a conservative approach to a desperate and rapidly snowballing problem....that has already been snoballing for a very long time?
So status quo is okay with you?
I agree whole-heartedly with voting for change. I dont think Mccain fits any bill that we need right now. Obama definately does , and I think he can lead our country in a positive way and not in a negative sense that it is right now. Ive noticed a lot of republican voters even seeing that right now. I think the rep. voters may sway away this election and go dem.
Philly- 2005, 2013, 2016, 2024
Camden 2000, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2022, 2023
Philly Spectrum 2009 x4 - We closed that MFER Down Proper
Baltimore- 2024
DC- 2006, 2008
New York- 2008, 2010
Boston - Fenway 2016 (night 2) , 2024 (night1)
East Rutherford, New Jersey- 2006
Chicago - Lollapalooza 2007
Seattle- Gorge 2005
EV Solo- DC x2, Baltimore x2 , Newark NJ x2, Tower Theater x2
- Given To Fly
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
Well, you're screwed. Because Obama isn't bringing them home now, either.
In fact, I'd be shocked if Obama brought them all home before 2013.
for the least they could possibly do
Well if it were up to bush wed be taking over the world right now, no joke
Philly- 2005, 2013, 2016, 2024
Camden 2000, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2022, 2023
Philly Spectrum 2009 x4 - We closed that MFER Down Proper
Baltimore- 2024
DC- 2006, 2008
New York- 2008, 2010
Boston - Fenway 2016 (night 2) , 2024 (night1)
East Rutherford, New Jersey- 2006
Chicago - Lollapalooza 2007
Seattle- Gorge 2005
EV Solo- DC x2, Baltimore x2 , Newark NJ x2, Tower Theater x2
- Given To Fly
I wouldn't vote for Biden but I definitely think he would be a better president than Clinton, McCain or Obama. Ron Paul is the fucking man.
Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
i remember a few really fine lies coming out of Bush's mouth before he got "elected" too.
You in the market for a bridge?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
http://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obama-His-Own-Words/dp/B000XKIF2W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211264137&sr=1-1
'This book is a collection of quotes taken from various speeches and comments made by Barak Obama....'
anyway, i was flipping through it and found this quote interesting:
"People see John McCain as a prima dona. I think of him as a role model."
Men's Vogue Fall Issue 2006
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I'm pretty set for gear right now, but thanks for asking anyway. Wouldn't hurt to post it up in the musicians forum though. Someone there may be keen. Hope you're keeping well.