fiji and evian and ty nant do taste better and are worth it.
worth it how? it provides enough utility for you to consume unneccearily? Isn't it obvious by now that humans need to change their habits in order to stop fucking up the world?
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
worth it how? it provides enough utility for you to consume unneccearily? Isn't it obvious by now that humans need to change their habits in order to stop fucking up the world?
I think he meant "those brands" vs. tap.
Just because you have decent tap water means we all do.
It is some of the absolute worst here in the Phoenix area.
I've only been to a couple of places where I can say "wow, that's good tap water!" There are means to obtain pure, great tasting water (with no added shit to it) without using an insane amount of energy and biofuels. I'm glad you guys like your pitcher filters because even that can't cut it for me.
I have a water guy who recycles my multi-gallon jugs every week and it's great. Sure it uses more energy then turning on the faucet but there are ways to make cuts in other areas...which I do.
NEW YORK–PepsiCo Inc. will spell out that its Aquafina bottled water is made with tap water, a concession to the growing environmental and political opposition to the bottled water industry.
According to Corporate Accountability International, a U.S. watchdog group, the world's No. 2 beverage company will include the words "Public Water Source" on Aquafina labels.
"If this helps clarify the fact that the water originates from public sources, then it's a reasonable thing to do," said Michelle Naughton, a Pepsi-Cola North America spokesperson.
Pepsi Chief Executive Indra Nooyi told Reuters earlier this week the company was considering such a move.
Pepsi's Aquafina and Coca-Cola Co's Dasani are both made from purified water sourced from public reservoirs, as opposed to Danone's Evian or Nestle's Poland Spring, so-called "spring waters," shipped from specific locations the companies say have notably clean water.
Coca-Cola Co. told Reuters it will start posting online information about the quality control testing it performs on Dasani by the end of summer or early fall.
"Concerns about the bottled-water industry, and increasing corporate control of water, are growing across the country," said Gigi Kellett, director of the "Think Outside the Bottle" campaign, which aims to encourage people to drink tap water.
San Francisco's mayor banned city employees from using city funds to buy bottled water when tap water is available. Ann Arbor, Michigan passed a resolution banning commercially bottled water at city events and Salt Lake City, Utah asked department heads to eliminate bottled water.
Critics charge the bottled water industry adds plastic to landfills, uses too much energy by producing and shipping bottles across the world and undermines confidence in the safety and cleanliness of public water supplies, all while much of the world's population is without access to clean water.
But industry observers said such opposition is unlikely to drain U.S. sales of bottled water, which reached 2.6 billion cases in 2006, according to Beverage Digest. The industry newsletter estimated that U.S. consumers spent about $15 billion (U.S.) on bottled water last year.
"Consumers have an affection for bottled water. It's not an issue of taste or health, it's about convenience," the newsletter's publisher, John Sicher, said. "Try walking up (New York City's) Third Avenue on a hot day and getting a glass of tap water."
Dave Kolpak, a portfolio manager at Victory Capital Management, said the environmental objections will have little impact on the bottom line for either Pepsi or Coke, though he admitted it could slow the market's growth rate.
"Pepsi and Coke do not make a lot of profit" on bottled water, said Kolpak, adding that people may talk about the issue, but will likely continue buying some bottled water. Victory Capital owns about 3 million shares of PepsiCo among its $62 billion under management.
"Pepsi and Coke do not make a lot of profit" on bottled water, said Kolpak,...
what? how could they not? It has to cost lest to produce than soft drinks, right? Maybe they don't make as much as far as total dollars, but the profit margin for bottled water has to be more than bottled soft drinks.
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I worked for a water company for a few months and I learned that bottled water is indeed inferior in quality that tap water. Tap water is treated and contains ingredients which are beneficial to you, like calcium and flouride. Bottled water is just crap and the bottles create a hazardous waste.
I worked for a water company for a few months and I learned that bottled water is indeed inferior in quality that tap water. Tap water is treated and contains ingredients which are beneficial to you, like calcium and flouride. Bottled water is just crap and the bottles create a hazardous waste.
Good ol' flouride...I don't know what we would do without it.
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I worked for a water company for a few months and I learned that bottled water is indeed inferior in quality that tap water. Tap water is treated and contains ingredients which are beneficial to you, like calcium and flouride. Bottled water is just crap and the bottles create a hazardous waste.
Good ol' flouride...I don't know what we would do without it.
Yes, a doctor friend of mine has confirmed that the flouride in tap water is better than any bottled water. Living here near the DC metro area I wonder if President Bush drinks tap or has his water imported into The White House?
The tap water in DC is atrocious.
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Yes, a doctor friend of mine has confirmed that the flouride in tap water is better than any bottled water. Living here near the DC metro area I wonder if President Bush drinks tap or has his water imported into The White House?
The tap water in DC is atrocious.
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Well I don't know if you were being sarcastic, because I was.
Fluoride has no health benefit to anyone. It was added to water as a means to control pathogens and fed to the public saying "oh, it's good for you...it makes your teeth stronger...etc."
Such horse shit!
Well I don't know if you were being sarcastic, because I was.
Fluoride has no health benefit to anyone. It was added to water as a means to control pathogens and fed to the public saying "oh, it's good for you...it makes your teeth stronger...etc."
Such horse shit!
phew....i thought you were serious......the shit is poison.....
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he had a voice that was strong and loud and
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eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I worked for a water company for a few months and I learned that bottled water is indeed inferior in quality that tap water. Tap water is treated and contains ingredients which are beneficial to you, like calcium and flouride. Bottled water is just crap and the bottles create a hazardous waste.
Yes, those bottles are a nuisance to the environment. And for awhile there, it was like all the healthy beautiful people in the world quenched their god-given athleticism to the little bottled water miracle. Natural, clean, filtered, pure. Right.
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Pepsi fess's up the real deal on their bottled water manufacturing @ Aquafina + tap water.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Well I don't know if you were being sarcastic, because I was.
Fluoride has no health benefit to anyone. It was added to water as a means to control pathogens and fed to the public saying "oh, it's good for you...it makes your teeth stronger...etc."
Such horse shit!
Care to back that up with a little research? Many everday elements and compounds we encounter can be poisoness in excess- even oxygen. Fluoride is a poison- but only in levels far above what a person drinking water subject to fluoridation would accumulate in a lifetime.
The vast majority of literature reviews on fluoridation of public water have concluded that in concentrations between 0.7ppm and 1.3ppm, there are no adverse health effects, but there are substantial reductions in tooth decay where fluoroidation of public water occurs. One example of many (In Australia)- In 2000 the National Health Service Centre for Reviews and Dissemination reviewed 214 of the highest quality studies on the subject.
Dental flourosis can occur in young children, but occurs not because of fluoridation of public water, but because of excessive consumption of fluoride toothpaste, flouride tablets and flouride drops (all containing far higher levels of flouride then tap water).
Also of far greater concern then fluoridation of public water are those natural water sources with extremely high levels of fluoride- that can cause health problems, but once again the amount of flouride is much higher then the amount in fluoridised tap water (as high as 95 ppm).
A few years back I took an interest in this subject and decided to make up my own mind. One side of the argument presented a solid scientific basis for their position. The other side read like a bad conspiracy theory...
The US has the best and safest supply of drinking water ANYWHERE.
This is not true...the best tap water comes from Europe and especially in the Netherlands...we don't add Chlorine to the water. Chlorine (a chemical purification process) has to some level a damage effect to health. I agree on your part that you mention 'the safest' supply, because of all the Chlorine...
Nevertheless, I also agree that people should drink more tap water than bottled water. It's total bullshit that people pay like 1 buck/euro for half a litre of bottled water.
In the Netherlands you pay for tapwater: 1000 litres ~ 1 euro. The bottled water is pure marketing. Nothing less...mostly it's the same water.
For instance, In Utrecht there's a bottled company called Barleduc and it gets its water from the 2nd/3rd aquifer in the soil. Across the street the social tap water company gets its water from the same aquifer...the only difference is the price (and the bottle).
For non-hydrologists:
An aquifer is an underground layer of water-bearing permeable rock or unconsolidated materials (gravel, sand, silt, or clay) from which groundwater can be usefully extracted using a water well.
I worked for a water company for a few months and I learned that bottled water is indeed inferior in quality that tap water. Tap water is treated and contains ingredients which are beneficial to you, like calcium and flouride. Bottled water is just crap and the bottles create a hazardous waste.
I am working for a water company now and I have to say that most bottled water is not inferior to tap water. In the Netherlands both waters are good, but the mind of the majority of the people think that bottled water is better. My opinion is that they're just nuts to pay so much more for bottled water than for tap water (price times 500-750).
worth it how? it provides enough utility for you to consume unneccearily? Isn't it obvious by now that humans need to change their habits in order to stop fucking up the world?
much like my agenda on this board, i am trying to tear both from the inside out. all in the name of attention
I occasionally buy bottled water and refill the bottle over and over with tap water.
I am concerned that buying bottled water as a main source of drinking water could lead to widespread privitization of the resource. I don't like where that could lead.
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I occasionally buy bottled water and refill the bottle over and over with tap water.
I am concerned that buying bottled water as a main source of drinking water could lead to widespread privitization of the resource. I don't like where that could lead.
My tastebuds and my extensive science background makes me like my purified water...even if that purified water comes from a municipal source. Purification is just that and it shouldn't really "matter" where it comes from as long as they are truly are doing as they say.
I occasionally buy bottled water and refill the bottle over and over with tap water.
I am concerned that buying bottled water as a main source of drinking water could lead to widespread privitization of the resource. I don't like where that could lead.
whatever you do - i wouldn't reuse the bottles for bottled water ... they use really cheap plastics that break down especially in the sun ... all those chemicals get leached into your water while you are drinking ...
To my surprise no one mentions Chloride in the tap water in the U.S.
not really a big deal in most water systems. It's trace amounts and hey, it's better than giardia or cryptosporidia. I'd prefer ozonation or reverse ozmosis sure but I have a 20 dollar tank in my refridgerator with a .01 micron dual charcoal filter that works great. It just depends on the skill of the technician and the money they have available in the particular area as to how good the local tap water tastes. A 5 dollar nalgene bottle to carry around and you're golden.
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hey, it's better than giardia or cryptosporidia. I'd prefer ozonation or reverse ozmosis
These are techniques we use at our company, together with UV. We in the Netherlands are not a big fan of Chloride...small amounts are used by some companies in the Netherlands in surface water purification...
I feel like this thread was meant for me....I feel so bad reading it because I whole heartedly agree. We have a filter in our fridge but recently it has been producing gross flaky bits in it...so i've been drinking tap water but it's so gross. My husband is going to take a look at the fridge on wednesday and try and fix it because all we drink is water, but today I broke down and bought a six pack of Fiji bottled water....my guilt at the time didn't out weigh my thirst. But now I feel really bad. (I will reuse the bottles for a bit until they too get gross..then off to the recycling bin for them)
I do have to say in our defense that my husband goes above and beyond with recycling. He's a Pharmacist and all those pills come in tiny plastic bottles...they throw away hundreds of them a day... my hubby brings them all home and recycles them. He looks like a druggy crack head with 2 large trash bags full of pill bottles in his car every day....but he's helping the earth.
fiji water is legit. it's the big brand ones that are literally no different from regular tap water.
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I have a water service that comes and replaces the giant jugs.
I understand that people purchasing huge packs of 12 oz bottles is dumb, but I will never drink that shit tap water EVER.
Where I used to live had awesome water and I had no problem drinking that...just can't do it here.
worth it how? it provides enough utility for you to consume unneccearily? Isn't it obvious by now that humans need to change their habits in order to stop fucking up the world?
I think he meant "those brands" vs. tap.
Just because you have decent tap water means we all do.
It is some of the absolute worst here in the Phoenix area.
I've only been to a couple of places where I can say "wow, that's good tap water!" There are means to obtain pure, great tasting water (with no added shit to it) without using an insane amount of energy and biofuels. I'm glad you guys like your pitcher filters because even that can't cut it for me.
I have a water guy who recycles my multi-gallon jugs every week and it's great. Sure it uses more energy then turning on the faucet but there are ways to make cuts in other areas...which I do.
Sorry, I like me some good water.
NEW YORK–PepsiCo Inc. will spell out that its Aquafina bottled water is made with tap water, a concession to the growing environmental and political opposition to the bottled water industry.
According to Corporate Accountability International, a U.S. watchdog group, the world's No. 2 beverage company will include the words "Public Water Source" on Aquafina labels.
"If this helps clarify the fact that the water originates from public sources, then it's a reasonable thing to do," said Michelle Naughton, a Pepsi-Cola North America spokesperson.
Pepsi Chief Executive Indra Nooyi told Reuters earlier this week the company was considering such a move.
Pepsi's Aquafina and Coca-Cola Co's Dasani are both made from purified water sourced from public reservoirs, as opposed to Danone's Evian or Nestle's Poland Spring, so-called "spring waters," shipped from specific locations the companies say have notably clean water.
Coca-Cola Co. told Reuters it will start posting online information about the quality control testing it performs on Dasani by the end of summer or early fall.
"Concerns about the bottled-water industry, and increasing corporate control of water, are growing across the country," said Gigi Kellett, director of the "Think Outside the Bottle" campaign, which aims to encourage people to drink tap water.
San Francisco's mayor banned city employees from using city funds to buy bottled water when tap water is available. Ann Arbor, Michigan passed a resolution banning commercially bottled water at city events and Salt Lake City, Utah asked department heads to eliminate bottled water.
Critics charge the bottled water industry adds plastic to landfills, uses too much energy by producing and shipping bottles across the world and undermines confidence in the safety and cleanliness of public water supplies, all while much of the world's population is without access to clean water.
But industry observers said such opposition is unlikely to drain U.S. sales of bottled water, which reached 2.6 billion cases in 2006, according to Beverage Digest. The industry newsletter estimated that U.S. consumers spent about $15 billion (U.S.) on bottled water last year.
"Consumers have an affection for bottled water. It's not an issue of taste or health, it's about convenience," the newsletter's publisher, John Sicher, said. "Try walking up (New York City's) Third Avenue on a hot day and getting a glass of tap water."
Dave Kolpak, a portfolio manager at Victory Capital Management, said the environmental objections will have little impact on the bottom line for either Pepsi or Coke, though he admitted it could slow the market's growth rate.
"Pepsi and Coke do not make a lot of profit" on bottled water, said Kolpak, adding that people may talk about the issue, but will likely continue buying some bottled water. Victory Capital owns about 3 million shares of PepsiCo among its $62 billion under management.
what? how could they not? It has to cost lest to produce than soft drinks, right? Maybe they don't make as much as far as total dollars, but the profit margin for bottled water has to be more than bottled soft drinks.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Good ol' flouride...I don't know what we would do without it.
Yes, a doctor friend of mine has confirmed that the flouride in tap water is better than any bottled water. Living here near the DC metro area I wonder if President Bush drinks tap or has his water imported into The White House?
The tap water in DC is atrocious.
Peace
Earle
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Well I don't know if you were being sarcastic, because I was.
Fluoride has no health benefit to anyone. It was added to water as a means to control pathogens and fed to the public saying "oh, it's good for you...it makes your teeth stronger...etc."
Such horse shit!
phew....i thought you were serious......the shit is poison.....
that's all i got.
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he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Yes, those bottles are a nuisance to the environment. And for awhile there, it was like all the healthy beautiful people in the world quenched their god-given athleticism to the little bottled water miracle. Natural, clean, filtered, pure. Right.
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Care to back that up with a little research? Many everday elements and compounds we encounter can be poisoness in excess- even oxygen. Fluoride is a poison- but only in levels far above what a person drinking water subject to fluoridation would accumulate in a lifetime.
The vast majority of literature reviews on fluoridation of public water have concluded that in concentrations between 0.7ppm and 1.3ppm, there are no adverse health effects, but there are substantial reductions in tooth decay where fluoroidation of public water occurs. One example of many (In Australia)- In 2000 the National Health Service Centre for Reviews and Dissemination reviewed 214 of the highest quality studies on the subject.
Dental flourosis can occur in young children, but occurs not because of fluoridation of public water, but because of excessive consumption of fluoride toothpaste, flouride tablets and flouride drops (all containing far higher levels of flouride then tap water).
Also of far greater concern then fluoridation of public water are those natural water sources with extremely high levels of fluoride- that can cause health problems, but once again the amount of flouride is much higher then the amount in fluoridised tap water (as high as 95 ppm).
A few years back I took an interest in this subject and decided to make up my own mind. One side of the argument presented a solid scientific basis for their position. The other side read like a bad conspiracy theory...
This is not true...the best tap water comes from Europe and especially in the Netherlands...we don't add Chlorine to the water. Chlorine (a chemical purification process) has to some level a damage effect to health. I agree on your part that you mention 'the safest' supply, because of all the Chlorine...
Nevertheless, I also agree that people should drink more tap water than bottled water. It's total bullshit that people pay like 1 buck/euro for half a litre of bottled water.
In the Netherlands you pay for tapwater: 1000 litres ~ 1 euro. The bottled water is pure marketing. Nothing less...mostly it's the same water.
For instance, In Utrecht there's a bottled company called Barleduc and it gets its water from the 2nd/3rd aquifer in the soil. Across the street the social tap water company gets its water from the same aquifer...the only difference is the price (and the bottle).
For non-hydrologists:
An aquifer is an underground layer of water-bearing permeable rock or unconsolidated materials (gravel, sand, silt, or clay) from which groundwater can be usefully extracted using a water well.
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much like my agenda on this board, i am trying to tear both from the inside out. all in the name of attention
1 bottle of water = $1.25 on average
128 oz. in a gallon. 1 gallon of bottled water would cost $6.40
Premium 92 octane gas = $3.11 right now. Average car takes 15 gallons of gas.
Gas = $46.55 a tank
If you filled your gas tank with bottled water it would cost $96 to fill.
So who's really ripping us off Aquafina or Texaco?
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I am concerned that buying bottled water as a main source of drinking water could lead to widespread privitization of the resource. I don't like where that could lead.
From I recall of The Corporation neither did the people of Bolivia. http://www.cbc.ca/news/features/water/bolivia.html
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Other examples are Johannesburg in South Africa and Manilla in the Philippines.
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whatever you do - i wouldn't reuse the bottles for bottled water ... they use really cheap plastics that break down especially in the sun ... all those chemicals get leached into your water while you are drinking ...
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not really a big deal in most water systems. It's trace amounts and hey, it's better than giardia or cryptosporidia. I'd prefer ozonation or reverse ozmosis sure but I have a 20 dollar tank in my refridgerator with a .01 micron dual charcoal filter that works great. It just depends on the skill of the technician and the money they have available in the particular area as to how good the local tap water tastes. A 5 dollar nalgene bottle to carry around and you're golden.
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fiji water is legit. it's the big brand ones that are literally no different from regular tap water.