If China Just Opened Their Border

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  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    Byrnzie wrote:
    But you don't think the U.S has a moral obligation to abide by the non-proliferation treaty which it signed up to and which the Bush gang has flouted? You don't think that America's and Israels pursuit of more nuclear weapons, and the aggressive. expansionist behaviour of both these countries has anything to do with why other nations are seeking to arm themselves?

    The last time America added territory to our nation was 1898, I don't understand your "expansionist" remark.

    Since you include Israel, I would have to point out that between them and Palestine, Isreal was the last to give back land (Gaza) this year. But since you raise the issue of Israel, we have to go back to the begining.....

    About 3 million years ago, humans (or our distant relatives) started to roam the earth. Over the millinea, our population expanded all over the globe. Humans are social animals, and from the very start we organized ourselves into tribes. Over time, tribes became nations.

    All throughout this history, tribes/nations have been warring with each other. if you go back far enough, there is not a single nation on this earth whose borders exist without the influence of war and conflict between groups.

    So what the fuck is palestines problem? They have NO chance.... NO FUCKING CHANCE IN HELL of ever coexisting with Israel, becuase they cannot let their religion live in peace with the reality that has been and is our world.

    Since 1948, dozens of other countries have been carved up and divided by the powers that be - in an attempt to forge a peaceful coexistence between dissenting groups.

    Palestinians will never have the power to overthrow or destroy Israel, so they need to just realize that what happened in the past is just that... the past. The cry for justice is moot. Sometiems there is no justice in this world.... there is no way to make things right. Hundreds of millions of humans have lived their lives in slavery and misery. The fact that the Palestinians are dealing with Israel, instead of a country like China - gives them all the more incentive to create a peaceful existence.

    This is one of those cases where no true justice can be found. Because the Palestinians choose to elect leaders who would rather sacrifice their lives and their childrens lives in an attempt to avenge lost honor - I view them as idiots. I have no sympathy for them.

    You cannot forge a new road, when you are always looking backwards. The Palestinian people are a prisoner to their religion and ignorance.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    NCfan wrote:
    The last time America added territory to our nation was 1898, I don't understand your "expansionist" remark.

    Since you include Israel, I would have to point out that between them and Palestine, Isreal was the last to give back land (Gaza) this year. But since you raise the issue of Israel, we have to go back to the begining.....

    About 3 million years ago, humans (or our distant relatives) started to roam the earth. Over the millinea, our population expanded all over the globe. Humans are social animals, and from the very start we organized ourselves into tribes. Over time, tribes became nations.

    All throughout this history, tribes/nations have been warring with each other. if you go back far enough, there is not a single nation on this earth whose borders exist without the influence of war and conflict between groups.

    So what the fuck is palestines problem? They have NO chance.... NO FUCKING CHANCE IN HELL of ever coexisting with Israel, becuase they cannot let their religion live in peace with the reality that has been and is our world.

    Since 1948, dozens of other countries have been carved up and divided by the powers that be - in an attempt to forge a peaceful coexistence between dissenting groups.

    Palestinians will never have the power to overthrow or destroy Israel, so they need to just realize that what happened in the past is just that... the past. The cry for justice is moot. Sometiems there is no justice in this world.... there is no way to make things right. Hundreds of millions of humans have lived their lives in slavery and misery. The fact that the Palestinians are dealing with Israel, instead of a country like China - gives them all the more incentive to create a peaceful existence.

    This is one of those cases where no true justice can be found. Because the Palestinians choose to elect leaders who would rather sacrifice their lives and their childrens lives in an attempt to avenge lost honor - I view them as idiots. I have no sympathy for them.

    You cannot forge a new road, when you are always looking backwards. The Palestinian people are a prisoner to their religion and ignorance.

    Expansionist doesn't neccesarily mean added territory to a nation. I.e, The U.S didn't add most of Latin America to it's nation during the 1980's and yet it still controlled that area by means of proxy wars and self apointed tyrants. Iraq isn't the 53rd state of America and yet the U.S is there for one reason: OIL. Need I go on?
    You say that Palestines problem is that "They have NO chance.... NO FUCKING CHANCE IN HELL of ever coexisting with Israel, becuase they cannot let their religion live in peace.."? And "the Palestinians choose to elect leaders who would rather sacrifice their lives and their childrens lives in an attempt to avenge lost honor - I view them as idiots. I have no sympathy for them."
    Interesting. I wish I'd encountered you earlier on this board. You've cleared everything up for me.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Iraq isn't the 53rd state of America
    May I ask who or what are the 51st and 52nd states????
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    tybird wrote:
    May I ask who or what are the 51st and 52nd states????

    Its probably an Israel joke.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Its probably an Israel joke.
    That still lives one more state........Canada..........Mexico????
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    China has no interest in the NK regime collapsing. Therefore, I don't see it happening.

    The only people with a rational interest in the NK regime collapsing are the North Korean people. Unfortunately, like so many throughout the world, they accept the existence of necessary evil.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    farfromglorified wrote:
    The only people with a rational interest in the NK regime collapsing are the North Korean people. Unfortunately, like so many throughout the world, they accept the existence of necessary evil.
    Could it be that they accept the "necessary evil" because it is all that they know?
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    tybird wrote:
    Could it be that they accept the "necessary evil" because it is all that they know?

    No, for the same reason you may reject slavery without ever having been a slave.

    The very fact that these evils are "all they have ever known" is all the more reason to reject them.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    farfromglorified wrote:
    No, for the same reason you may reject slavery without ever having been a slave.

    The very fact that these evils are "all they have ever known" is all the more reason to reject them.
    Not really catching your argument........you can reject slavery w/o being a slave because you can see both sides and recognize the evil. If you only see one side, how are you to know that a difference exists?
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    tybird wrote:
    Not really catching your argument........you can reject slavery w/o being a slave because you can see both sides and recognize the evil. If you only see one side, how are you to know that a difference exists?

    A thinking being can always see the duality of oppression and freedom, regardless of that being's circumstances. That is why you can recognize the crime of slavery without ever having been a slave. That is why a North Korean citizen who has never been free can recognize the crimes committed against them.

    A being that cannot recognize the difference between oppression and freedom is often known as a dog. North Koreans are not dogs...instinctual slaves to their environment without the ability to think or to reason.

    The apathy you see amongst many people of this world, including many citizens of North Korea, is the wicked combination of fear and a concomitant acceptance of necessary evils within their lives. It is not as if people do not know better. It is that they actively seek to not know better.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    tybird wrote:
    May I ask who or what are the 51st and 52nd states????

    Typo. Although I could say England and Israel as Reborncareerist says.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Typo. Although I could say England and Israel as Reborncareerist says.
    Interesting.............so we have basically annexed the motherland, eh? Does that mean that you will have to start spelling "airplane" correctly? ;)
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.

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