If China Just Opened Their Border

NCfan
NCfan Posts: 945
edited October 2006 in A Moving Train
North Korea would totaly collapse as millions of regugees would flee that hell-hole of a country.

I don't understand why people blame American policy for KJI obtaining nuclear weapons. What did we do wrong? Where did we go astray?

There was little we could do in the first place. We had hardly any carrots to offer them, we have little influence with North Korea. We did sign an agreement under Clinton, and KJI just went ahead anyway with his nuclear plans. He's a liar, and a professional blackmailer.

China is the main player here. They de facto keep North Korea on life support with their shipments of food and oil.

The fact that the U.S. is trying to keep nuclear weapons out of North Korea shows our moral obligation to try and help. Fuckin A, at least we've tried to do something....
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    your way off dude. America did it.
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    jlew24asu wrote:
    your way off dude. America did it.

    Please explain, cause I don't see it.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    NCfan wrote:
    Please explain, cause I don't see it.


    extreme sacasm. I agree with ya.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    One problem that has never been addressed properly is the end of the Korean War.....it like our relationship with Cuba was encased in lucite and placed high on a shelf never more to be discussed. Why??? Fill in your best guest right here ____________.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    NCfan wrote:
    North Korea would totaly collapse as millions of regugees would flee that hell-hole of a country.
    ...
    Which is why China will not open her borders.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Cosmo wrote:
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    Which is why China will not open her borders.
    The correct answer............
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    tybird wrote:
    The correct answer............
    ...
    and as China expands her industrial might and its economy moves more towards a wierd blend of Communist Consumerism... they can outsource labor costs to North Korea... sort of like what we did with Mexico, then China.
    You gotta do work for really cheap wages if China can save money there.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    and as China expands her industrial might and its economy moves more towards a wierd blend of Communist Consumerism... they can outsource labor costs to North Korea... sort of like what we did with Mexico, then China.
    You gotta do work for really cheap wages if China can save money there.
    They would have to build some type of infrastructure in North Korea, besides with their population (China's), why look else where for cheap labor?
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    tybird wrote:
    They would have to build some type of infrastructure in North Korea, besides with their population (China's), why look else where for cheap labor?
    ...
    That's the great thing about it... it is costs 5 cents per unit to make in China... China can outsource it to North Korean dissident slave camps for 1 cent per 100 units.
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Cosmo wrote:
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    That's the great thing about it... it is costs 5 cents per unit to make in China... China can outsource it to North Korean dissident slave camps for 1 cent per 100 units.

    Heck, China can just agree to feed the workers at a few pennies a day, and they'll be set.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Cosmo wrote:
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    That's the great thing about it... it is costs 5 cents per unit to make in China... China can outsource it to North Korean dissident slave camps for 1 cent per 100 units.
    True.......but somebody's got to build the factory and provide electricity and such.......would China want to invest that kind of money in such a plan when there are millions of underemployed/transient workers wandering across their own country?
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    tybird wrote:
    True.......but somebody's got to build the factory and provide electricity and such.......would China want to invest that kind of money in such a plan when there are millions of underemployed/transient workers wandering across their own country?
    ...
    I'm thinkin', down the road from here.
    China will emerge as the great economic power. It all depends on how she handles it. I hope she learns from the mistakes we made regarding the environment, because China has the potential to really fucking up the place.
    As China's economy grows... who knows whether China will decide on people as strength and resource.. or fall into the personal wealth/greed trap we did. Maybe their Maoist tendencies will favor screwing over the North Koreans in favor of their own populous.
    But, really... who knows.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I'm thinkin', down the road from here.
    China will emerge as the great economic power. It all depends on how she handles it. I hope she learns from the mistakes we made regarding the environment, because China has the potential to really fucking up the place.
    As China's economy grows... who knows whether China will decide on people as strength and resource.. or fall into the personal wealth/greed trap we did. Maybe their Maoist tendencies will favor screwing over the North Koreans in favor of their own populous.
    But, really... who knows.
    Their Maoist tendencies and an environmental policy has historically been a bad mix for the environment. The Cultural Revolution resulted in several extinctions of native flora/fauna in the nation due to party policy. So learning from our mistakes would require a 180 degree swing in their policy towards the environment (with the exception of Giant Pandas, which are basically a cash cow for the PRC). There are other environmental issues such as the Three Gorges Dam and the seemingly endless chemical spills on the Amur River.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    tybird wrote:
    Their Maoist tendencies and an environmental policy has historically been a bad mix for the environment. The Cultural Revolution resulted in several extinctions of native flora/fauna in the nation due to party policy. So learning from our mistakes would require a 180 degree swing in their policy towards the environment (with the exception of Giant Pandas, which are basically a cash cow for the PRC). There are other environmental issues such as the Three Gorges Dam and the seemingly endless chemical spills on the Amur River.
    ...
    I really do HOPE they do... but, the fact remains... they are fucking China. So, although it's barely there, hope is still alive.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I really do HOPE they do... but, the fact remains... they are fucking China. So, although it's barely there, hope is still alive.
    True....China has always been a wild card in the "Game." You never know what they are going to do.....and you will make yourself crazy trying to guess what they will or will not do. I also hope that they come on around on the environmental issue.........hopefully other animals and plants will benefit from their "Save the Pandas" efforts.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • truroute
    truroute Posts: 251
    North Korea is a stick in US's side as Taiwan is a stick in China's side. China could easily fix the NK problem. But hey, why do the US a favor if they wont let us take over Taiwan?
  • PilatesBetterman
    PilatesBetterman Posts: 306
    truroute wrote:
    North Korea is a stick in US's side as Taiwan is a stick in China's side. China could easily fix the NK problem. But hey, why do the US a favor if they wont let us take over Taiwan?
    THe US and UN could just as easily "fix" the problem by withdrawing from South Korea. Let Korea become one Nation again as Germany did.
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  • truroute
    truroute Posts: 251
    PilatesBetterman wrote:
    THe US and UN could just as easily "fix" the problem by withdrawing from South Korea. Let Korea become one Nation again as Germany did.

    Wow, you figured it out. Just leave and a Wacko Narcissic Dictator will step down and leave his position of playin God.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    NCfan wrote:
    The fact that the U.S. is trying to keep nuclear weapons out of North Korea shows our moral obligation to try and help. Fuckin A, at least we've tried to do something....

    But you don't think the U.S has a moral obligation to abide by the non-proliferation treaty which it signed up to and which the Bush gang has flouted? You don't think that America's and Israels pursuit of more nuclear weapons, and the aggressive. expansionist behaviour of both these countries has anything to do with why other nations are seeking to arm themselves?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    truroute wrote:
    North Korea is a stick in US's side as Taiwan is a stick in China's side. China could easily fix the NK problem. But hey, why do the US a favor if they wont let us take over Taiwan?


    North Korea is a stick in the US's side, and Cuba is a stick in the US's side, and iraq is a stick in the US's side, and Iran is a stick in the US's side, and Syria is a stick in the US's side, and China is a stick in the US's side, and Venezuela is a stick in the US's side e.t.c.

    Shit, America must look a bit like Custer at the end of the Battle of the Little Big Horn the way you describe it! :eek:

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