that is how i feel. i feel you're all a bunch of cowardly, paranoid war-mongers and that if we pull out of iraq it wont affect me one godamn bit. they will escalate their civil war for a while, then someone will take over. whoop-dee-freaking-do. americans will stop dying over there, iraq will be in the same position they were before we got there, america will have a black eye and look like the dumbasses we were, and life will go on. iran will not change. nor will syria. nor will anything else. my life will not change, and i will not be any less safe than i am now. in fact, it might give us an opportunity to be even safer by deploying our military in a manner that might actually be helpful.
cowardly war paranoid war mongers? those are all nice insulting words that prove no point you are trying to make. but i'm happy you dont think you will be affected.
americans might stop dying over there if we leave but they might die somewhere else, like at home.
things will change. Iran and syria will take more control and spread terrorism, build a nuke and give it to whoever will carry it in a suitcase to Israel or america.
cowardly war paranoid war mongers? those are all nice insulting words that prove no point you are trying to make. but i'm happy you dont think you will be affected.
americans might stop dying over there if we leave but they might die somewhere else, like at home.
things will change. Iran and syria will take more control and spread terrorism, build a nuke and give it to whoever will carry it in a suitcase to Israel or america.
iran and syria can build a nuke even if we're in iraq. and we can't stop them becos all our troops are tied down in baghdad. iraqis dont like iran any more than we do. shit, any weapons iraq has were given to them by us to fight iran. if iran stepped in and started meddling, iraq would fight back big time. let them. if you're so worried about iran, let iraq fight them for us. oh, right... we dismantled the military and paved the way for iran's takeover. brilliant. the one check on iran has been removed by us. very good decision. in either case, saudi arabis wouldn't let it happen. nor would syria. dont you realize none of them trust each other any more than you or i do? this isn't some concerted muslim war. it's a bunch of fucked up clans who will stab each other in the back at every turn. if we step back, they'll destroy each other.
americans can die anywhere. if the terrorists really wanted to, they could just start blowing up greyhound busses. but they dont care to do that. they like to go for big symbolic gestures. if our intelligence was focused more on protecting our borders than the nonsese in iraq, they'd never get through. they caught us asleep at the wheel and we paid the price. it wont happen again unless we let it. if our military wasn't there, they could be patrolling our borders, airports, and seaways. REAL bomb detecting experts checking luggage. REAL security experts screening passengers. etc etc.
the biggest tragedy of 9/11 was it turned a brave nation into a bunch of cowering pussies afraid of their own shadows. these things you demand are necessary for our security? VERY unpopular in the areas that are actually in danger from the very acts you're so afraid of. if they're not worried about iraq, why should you be?
What do you guys think will happen if we withdrawl from Iraq? I think a civil war would ensue that may take years to define a winner. In the meantime, Al Qaida and other terrorist organizations will have a lawless territory where they can hide and plot against the West. Meanwhile, Iran and Syria will become emboldened and will certainly support the Shia forces fighting in the civil war. Iran will obtain a nuclear weapon or nuclear material which they can give to any terrorist group they wish. Remember, Iran created and sponsors Hizbollah. Seems to me that anyone who thinks Iraq isn't connected to wider geopolitics doesn't know what their talking about. At this point, Iraq isn't about an unlawful war launched by a liar president under false pretenses. It might have been about that in the begining. But at this point, winning in Iraq has much larger implications. We cannot fail there or we will forfeit our position of dominance in the world to terrorists and theocratic states.
So what are your thoughts?
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And us staying there... along this same course is changing anything... how?
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There is already a Civil War between two differing religious sects.
Al Qeada is already in Iraq... someplace they weren't prior to our invasion.
Syria and Iran are being invited in by the government WE installed.
Iran is on the fast track to nuclear capabilities and our bargaining position has been greatly compromised by our involvement in Iraq.
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And yes... WE broke it... WE bought it. This mess is ours alone. We were dicks and acted like John Wayne movies and thought the gun was the great problem solver. We found out that complicated problems require complex solutions... just blowing up shit and killing people don't solve a goddamn thing.
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Guess what? Our Great President has ushered in the period where we have to negotiate with terrorists. We have little options, if any, to get this thing back on track. We are FORCED into a position where we have to sit down with Syria and Iran and speak to them as equals.
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Now, to fix this thing? SECURITY. The fucking place has to be SECURED before anything else can happen. This means... MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. Not bullshit, Iraqi Death Squad boots... not bullshit Iraqi this is a job, I quit boots... not bullshit Iraqi former Republican Guard and Fedayen Fighter troops that are waiting for that assignment to stand guard over the ammo depot boots... QUALITY BOOTS.
We need cooperation from the neighboring Arab Nations. They don't want a Civil War flushing refugees into their borders. Except in the case of Syria, where over a million Iraqis (the smart ones and the ones with money) went. The ones left in Iraq are the ones who want to fight or are are too poor to move out or are too dumb to do anything else.
Finally... this thing is going to cost YOU money... LOTS AND LOTS of money. We see what 500 Billion has bought us so far... think in the Trillions... possibly upwards to 2.5 trillion to get out of this mess. There goes your precious tax cuts.
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This is going to be President George W. Bush's legacy.
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do you think his militia would have gone on an even bigger rampage?
Absolutely he was, in 2003 I witnessed a conversation between a couple of Colonels on the matter. This is right after the name was changed from Saddam city, there was a brief period before Sadr got as big as he is. And all of this was long before anybody stateside had ever heard this guys name. And he had followers then but in no way the militia he has now, so repurcussions would have been minimal.
Absolutely he was, in 2003 I witnessed a conversation between a couple of Colonels on the matter. This is right after the name was changed from Saddam city, there was a brief period before Sadr got as big as he is. And all of this was long before anybody stateside had ever heard this guys name. And he had followers then but in no way the militia he has now, so repurcussions would have been minimal.
damn that sucks. i agree with you. he should have been taken out, then. now might cause some serious problems. but in the long rn might be for the best. I'm just guessing.
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cowardly war paranoid war mongers? those are all nice insulting words that prove no point you are trying to make. but i'm happy you dont think you will be affected.
americans might stop dying over there if we leave but they might die somewhere else, like at home.
things will change. Iran and syria will take more control and spread terrorism, build a nuke and give it to whoever will carry it in a suitcase to Israel or america.
iran and syria can build a nuke even if we're in iraq. and we can't stop them becos all our troops are tied down in baghdad. iraqis dont like iran any more than we do. shit, any weapons iraq has were given to them by us to fight iran. if iran stepped in and started meddling, iraq would fight back big time. let them. if you're so worried about iran, let iraq fight them for us. oh, right... we dismantled the military and paved the way for iran's takeover. brilliant. the one check on iran has been removed by us. very good decision. in either case, saudi arabis wouldn't let it happen. nor would syria. dont you realize none of them trust each other any more than you or i do? this isn't some concerted muslim war. it's a bunch of fucked up clans who will stab each other in the back at every turn. if we step back, they'll destroy each other.
americans can die anywhere. if the terrorists really wanted to, they could just start blowing up greyhound busses. but they dont care to do that. they like to go for big symbolic gestures. if our intelligence was focused more on protecting our borders than the nonsese in iraq, they'd never get through. they caught us asleep at the wheel and we paid the price. it wont happen again unless we let it. if our military wasn't there, they could be patrolling our borders, airports, and seaways. REAL bomb detecting experts checking luggage. REAL security experts screening passengers. etc etc.
the biggest tragedy of 9/11 was it turned a brave nation into a bunch of cowering pussies afraid of their own shadows. these things you demand are necessary for our security? VERY unpopular in the areas that are actually in danger from the very acts you're so afraid of. if they're not worried about iraq, why should you be?
was he ever in the cross hairs?
do you think his militia would have gone on an even bigger rampage?
And us staying there... along this same course is changing anything... how?
...
There is already a Civil War between two differing religious sects.
Al Qeada is already in Iraq... someplace they weren't prior to our invasion.
Syria and Iran are being invited in by the government WE installed.
Iran is on the fast track to nuclear capabilities and our bargaining position has been greatly compromised by our involvement in Iraq.
...
And yes... WE broke it... WE bought it. This mess is ours alone. We were dicks and acted like John Wayne movies and thought the gun was the great problem solver. We found out that complicated problems require complex solutions... just blowing up shit and killing people don't solve a goddamn thing.
...
Guess what? Our Great President has ushered in the period where we have to negotiate with terrorists. We have little options, if any, to get this thing back on track. We are FORCED into a position where we have to sit down with Syria and Iran and speak to them as equals.
...
Now, to fix this thing? SECURITY. The fucking place has to be SECURED before anything else can happen. This means... MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. Not bullshit, Iraqi Death Squad boots... not bullshit Iraqi this is a job, I quit boots... not bullshit Iraqi former Republican Guard and Fedayen Fighter troops that are waiting for that assignment to stand guard over the ammo depot boots... QUALITY BOOTS.
We need cooperation from the neighboring Arab Nations. They don't want a Civil War flushing refugees into their borders. Except in the case of Syria, where over a million Iraqis (the smart ones and the ones with money) went. The ones left in Iraq are the ones who want to fight or are are too poor to move out or are too dumb to do anything else.
Finally... this thing is going to cost YOU money... LOTS AND LOTS of money. We see what 500 Billion has bought us so far... think in the Trillions... possibly upwards to 2.5 trillion to get out of this mess. There goes your precious tax cuts.
...
This is going to be President George W. Bush's legacy.
Hail, Hail!!!
Absolutely he was, in 2003 I witnessed a conversation between a couple of Colonels on the matter. This is right after the name was changed from Saddam city, there was a brief period before Sadr got as big as he is. And all of this was long before anybody stateside had ever heard this guys name. And he had followers then but in no way the militia he has now, so repurcussions would have been minimal.
damn that sucks. i agree with you. he should have been taken out, then. now might cause some serious problems. but in the long rn might be for the best. I'm just guessing.