Islam versus the World

yosi1

enharmonic wrote:

Faith proves nothing. Faith is just that...an innate feeling that something is just "right". Brainwashing can produce the same effect.

Truth is, there's little evidence to support any parable from any religion, and faith is substituted for fact. It is a fact that organized religion is big business, and that the majority of people have a real need to be controlled...regardless of what they might say to the contrary. There's just a finite supply of truly enlightened people in this world. For everyone else, there's organized religion.

I'm not saying that its good or bad. Jesus was not a Christian. Muhammad was the profit of Islam, but not a Muslim. The trick of religion is to keep people from aspiring to the Christ or Muhammad consciousness, which God promises is a part of our souls by the simple fact that we exist, and are created by Him.

that one concept alone renders most organized religion useless. Organized religion places one in worship and servitude to a social doctrine that is twisted into a "religion". The reality is, we are each a part of God, and as such possess the inate ability to attain God consciousness.

I agree with some of what you said, but for the most part, I find this to be a pretty narrow minded view of what religion is.

IndianSummer

yosi wrote:

I agree with some of what you said, but for the most part, I find this to be a pretty narrow minded view of what religion is.

could you please share with us, what the broad minded view is like??

fanch75

All Hail He Who is That of All Things Which are That of He Who is That of the Yamcumber.

OutOfBreath

CorporateWhore wrote:

"The point of most religions is to spread their way of thought, and be opposed to other ways."

I disagree. I am a Christian. I do not believe that the point of Christianity is to be opposed to other ways of thought. I do not need to prove Islam false in order to prove Christianity is true. I need only prove that Christianity is true. This can be revealed through faith and reason. The point of religions is to explain the purpose for our lives that is not written down in a science book.

But you adhere to one, believe in one, and promote one. The other must necessarily be wrong and misguided, and you would try to keep people from following those directions rather than the "right" one. It's in the nature of at least the monotheistic religions to have "No God but me". And in the bible it is vividly depicted how followers of other religions are persecuted and murdered. Baal for instance.

You as a christian may not emphasize this part of it, and if so, I commend you for it. But it has been an integral part of religion for some time.

"Rationalism is hardly the territory of religion"

Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have been made by priests and religious scholars. These leaders discovered scientific truths using the support they received by their faith and church. Religion is not inherently irrational. While making great discoveries, many also believed that Jesus Christ was God or that Muhammad received revelations from the angel Gabriel.

Well yeah, but their religion had nothing to do with their discoveries. Let me specify. I did not say that religious people are irrational. I said that religion in its nature is not rational. It is about faith, isn't it? Faith isn't rational, provable or scientific. Faith is a gut feeling beyond rationality. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be faith. You getting where I'm going with this?

When I say religion isn't rational, then believe it or not, it is not meant as denigrating on my part. I just state that there are rational aspects of life, and unrational aspects of life. Faith and religion are firmly under the latter. Doesn't make them unimportant, wrong or laughable. Just not rational.

Peace
Dan

enharmonic

yosi wrote:

I agree with some of what you said, but for the most part, I find this to be a pretty narrow minded view of what religion is.

That's because religion takes away any objective discussion of what it really is. I've been though a bunch of religions. To me, the one recurring thing about PEOPLE in religion is that they are all seeking something that they've already got right inside of themselves...and religion is more than happy to help them not find it.

miller8966

Kenny Olav wrote:

If they tried to take down the Aqsa mosque, there would be all out war - the kind that Israel would not be able to win. They would be destroyed. They have to know this. So there's no proof that if they had the chance, they wouldn't tear down the mosque.

Israel would probaly make the word "muslim" a footnote in a history book.

miller8966

enharmonic wrote:

That's because religion takes away any objective discussion of what it really is. I've been though a bunch of religions. To me, the one recurring thing about PEOPLE in religion is that they are all seeking something that they've already got right inside of themselves...and religion is more than happy to help them not find it.

Thats your opinion. Ive found religion to be quite fulfilling.

IrishAngel

omg are you people still debating this crap

Peace & Harmony

Dino283

John Budge wrote:

So, you're proposing fucking genocide, man?! Alright!

I dinent say that. i jus said they ought ta stay in there own country's.u should think before u write things dude

enharmonic

miller8966 wrote:

Thats your opinion. Ive found religion to be quite fulfilling.

Thus proving my point.