muslim's didnt discover the world.they didnt rule it niether.why dont they fuck off and stay in there own country's and leave the world alone.the world will be better of without them in it.
Are you serious? Americans didn't "discover" the world either, neither did Christians, nor the friggin british no matter how much they want to believe it. It was already there.
In fact why don't americans stay in america and leave the rest of the world alone? Why don't the british? Why don't the christians? Why don't the multinational companies? Why don't you realise what a crock of crap you are talking about!
"We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan --- London, Brixton, 14 July 1993 London, Wembley, 1996 London, Wembley, 18 June 2007 London, O2, 18 August 2009 London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012 Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
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How was the book actually. Senir year of college i was reading it and couldnt finish it due to work obligations.
Is it worth finishing? It kind of seems like a Davinci code rip off.
I could write a book about this book, good and bad, lol. I don't know whether the author intended this to be a proper piece of fiction with a bit of mystery from the academic world thrown in (a la da vinci-style), or a piece of academia with a bit of a story wound around it, because there's so much focus on the actual research the characters do and all the endless bits of paper they are constantly uncovering! I can see why it seems like a rip-off but its so much better written than dan brown's stuff.
It IS an interesting read though because there's a lot to learn from it such as the Ottoman stuff, and I like the parallel stories of the girl and her dad, but its very long. There's not enough story on the girl though which is disappointing. I can see it becoming a movie even because the storyline is actually quite good but there's a whole middle "researchy" section that could easily have been condensed tighter because it just drags on a bit. I'm near the end though so it better be worth it !
"We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan --- London, Brixton, 14 July 1993 London, Wembley, 1996 London, Wembley, 18 June 2007 London, O2, 18 August 2009 London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012 Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
What a load of shite. The essay failed to mention that the Aya Sofia was built by the Romans, who invaded and conquered Turkey by force, introducing christianity along the way.
BINGO!
Ilike how for the most part, Christianity is painted as some benevolent religion that existed in all parts of the world since the dawn of civilization.
Lets see how the christians like being "converted" by Muslim invaders! LOL
Karma...Christianity as a system would do well to learn a thing or two about karma.
Contrast such Islamic intolerance with the tolerance granted Muslims in regards to their Aqsa mosque. Just as with emperor Justinian’s Hagia Sophia annexed by Islam, the Aqsa Mosque is a Muslim site annexed by Judaism. But unlike the permanent Muslim desecration of Hagia Sophia, one of Christendom’s holiest sites, after Israel’s victory in the 1967 war, the Jews did not deface or convert the Muslim mosque into a Jewish synagogue or temple — even though the Aqsa mosque is deliberately built atop the remains of the Temple Mount, the most important site in Judaeo-Christian eschatology.
Moreover, since reclaiming the Temple Mount, Israel has granted Muslims control over the Aqsa mosque (except during times of crises).
If they tried to take down the Aqsa mosque, there would be all out war - the kind that Israel would not be able to win. They would be destroyed. They have to know this. So there's no proof that if they had the chance, they wouldn't tear down the mosque.
Not too different from the other monotheistic religions then. Rationalism is hardly the territory of religion, and the point of most religions is to spread their way of thought, and be opposed to other ways. Islam has their share of Koran-thumpers, just like Christianity has. A bit more of them perhaps, but no qualitative difference.
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Dan
"The point of most religions is to spread their way of thought, and be opposed to other ways."
I disagree. I am a Christian. I do not believe that the point of Christianity is to be opposed to other ways of thought. I do not need to prove Islam false in order to prove Christianity is true. I need only prove that Christianity is true. This can be revealed through faith and reason. The point of religions is to explain the purpose for our lives that is not written down in a science book.
"Rationalism is hardly the territory of religion"
Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have been made by priests and religious scholars. These leaders discovered scientific truths using the support they received by their faith and church. Religion is not inherently irrational. While making great discoveries, many also believed that Jesus Christ was God or that Muhammad received revelations from the angel Gabriel.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
"The point of most religions is to spread their way of thought, and be opposed to other ways."
I disagree. I am a Christian. I do not believe that the point of Christianity is to be opposed to other ways of thought. I do not need to prove Islam false in order to prove Christianity is true. I need only prove that Christianity is true. This can be revealed through faith and reason. The point of religions is to explain the purpose for our lives that is not written down in a science book.
"Rationalism is hardly the territory of religion"
Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have been made by priests and religious scholars. These leaders discovered scientific truths using the support they received by their faith and church. Religion is not inherently irrational. While making great discoveries, many also believed that Jesus Christ was God or that Muhammad received revelations from the angel Gabriel.
Faith proves nothing. Faith is just that...an innate feeling that something is just "right". Brainwashing can produce the same effect.
Truth is, there's little evidence to support any parable from any religion, and faith is substituted for fact. It is a fact that organized religion is big business, and that the majority of people have a real need to be controlled...regardless of what they might say to the contrary. There's just a finite supply of truly enlightened people in this world. For everyone else, there's organized religion.
I'm not saying that its good or bad. Jesus was not a Christian. Muhammad was the profit of Islam, but not a Muslim. The trick of religion is to keep people from aspiring to the Christ or Muhammad consciousness, which God promises is a part of our souls by the simple fact that we exist, and are created by Him.
that one concept alone renders most organized religion useless. Organized religion places one in worship and servitude to a social doctrine that is twisted into a "religion". The reality is, we are each a part of God, and as such possess the inate ability to attain God consciousness.
If they tried to take down the Aqsa mosque, there would be all out war - the kind that Israel would not be able to win. They would be destroyed. They have to know this. So there's no proof that if they had the chance, they wouldn't tear down the mosque.
Why would they want to anyway? Politics aside, its a beautiful building and part of the world's cultural hertitage. They're not just going to knock it down for no reason. And what about the hundreds of other mosques scattered throughout Israel? They haven't been knocked down yet either, although I'm sure the Israelis could get away with it if they wanted to.
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Wow, so everyone has a religion and there are only two religions in the world.
nope but there are only two proselytysing religions in the world... and these two stop at nothing when it comes to furthering their numbers - carnages, genocides, crusades, battles, sticks - carrots - you name it that have done it.
nearly wiped out the population of 2.5 continents, destroyed the culture of europe, iran, india, greece, italy, iraq (sumeria, chaldea, mesopotamia), egypt.... words cant describe their carnage and bloodshed....
comming back to the thread topic..... yes.. islam vs the rest of the world... just as predicted by the prophets of canaan.
I have faced it, A life wasted...
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
Faith proves nothing. Faith is just that...an innate feeling that something is just "right". Brainwashing can produce the same effect.
Truth is, there's little evidence to support any parable from any religion, and faith is substituted for fact. It is a fact that organized religion is big business, and that the majority of people have a real need to be controlled...regardless of what they might say to the contrary. There's just a finite supply of truly enlightened people in this world. For everyone else, there's organized religion.
I'm not saying that its good or bad. Jesus was not a Christian. Muhammad was the profit of Islam, but not a Muslim. The trick of religion is to keep people from aspiring to the Christ or Muhammad consciousness, which God promises is a part of our souls by the simple fact that we exist, and are created by Him.
that one concept alone renders most organized religion useless. Organized religion places one in worship and servitude to a social doctrine that is twisted into a "religion". The reality is, we are each a part of God, and as such possess the inate ability to attain God consciousness.
I agree with some of what you said, but for the most part, I find this to be a pretty narrow minded view of what religion is.
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"The point of most religions is to spread their way of thought, and be opposed to other ways."
I disagree. I am a Christian. I do not believe that the point of Christianity is to be opposed to other ways of thought. I do not need to prove Islam false in order to prove Christianity is true. I need only prove that Christianity is true. This can be revealed through faith and reason. The point of religions is to explain the purpose for our lives that is not written down in a science book.
But you adhere to one, believe in one, and promote one. The other must necessarily be wrong and misguided, and you would try to keep people from following those directions rather than the "right" one. It's in the nature of at least the monotheistic religions to have "No God but me". And in the bible it is vividly depicted how followers of other religions are persecuted and murdered. Baal for instance.
You as a christian may not emphasize this part of it, and if so, I commend you for it. But it has been an integral part of religion for some time.
"Rationalism is hardly the territory of religion"
Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have been made by priests and religious scholars. These leaders discovered scientific truths using the support they received by their faith and church. Religion is not inherently irrational. While making great discoveries, many also believed that Jesus Christ was God or that Muhammad received revelations from the angel Gabriel.
Well yeah, but their religion had nothing to do with their discoveries. Let me specify. I did not say that religious people are irrational. I said that religion in its nature is not rational. It is about faith, isn't it? Faith isn't rational, provable or scientific. Faith is a gut feeling beyond rationality. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be faith. You getting where I'm going with this?
When I say religion isn't rational, then believe it or not, it is not meant as denigrating on my part. I just state that there are rational aspects of life, and unrational aspects of life. Faith and religion are firmly under the latter. Doesn't make them unimportant, wrong or laughable. Just not rational.
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Dan
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"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I agree with some of what you said, but for the most part, I find this to be a pretty narrow minded view of what religion is.
That's because religion takes away any objective discussion of what it really is. I've been though a bunch of religions. To me, the one recurring thing about PEOPLE in religion is that they are all seeking something that they've already got right inside of themselves...and religion is more than happy to help them not find it.
If they tried to take down the Aqsa mosque, there would be all out war - the kind that Israel would not be able to win. They would be destroyed. They have to know this. So there's no proof that if they had the chance, they wouldn't tear down the mosque.
Israel would probaly make the word "muslim" a footnote in a history book.
That's because religion takes away any objective discussion of what it really is. I've been though a bunch of religions. To me, the one recurring thing about PEOPLE in religion is that they are all seeking something that they've already got right inside of themselves...and religion is more than happy to help them not find it.
Thats your opinion. Ive found religion to be quite fulfilling.
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Are you serious? Americans didn't "discover" the world either, neither did Christians, nor the friggin british no matter how much they want to believe it. It was already there.
In fact why don't americans stay in america and leave the rest of the world alone? Why don't the british? Why don't the christians? Why don't the multinational companies? Why don't you realise what a crock of crap you are talking about!
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London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
London, Wembley, 1996
London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
London, O2, 18 August 2009
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
I could write a book about this book, good and bad, lol. I don't know whether the author intended this to be a proper piece of fiction with a bit of mystery from the academic world thrown in (a la da vinci-style), or a piece of academia with a bit of a story wound around it, because there's so much focus on the actual research the characters do and all the endless bits of paper they are constantly uncovering! I can see why it seems like a rip-off but its so much better written than dan brown's stuff.
It IS an interesting read though because there's a lot to learn from it such as the Ottoman stuff, and I like the parallel stories of the girl and her dad, but its very long. There's not enough story on the girl though which is disappointing. I can see it becoming a movie even because the storyline is actually quite good but there's a whole middle "researchy" section that could easily have been condensed tighter because it just drags on a bit. I'm near the end though so it better be worth it !
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London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
London, Wembley, 1996
London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
London, O2, 18 August 2009
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
BINGO!
Ilike how for the most part, Christianity is painted as some benevolent religion that existed in all parts of the world since the dawn of civilization.
Lets see how the christians like being "converted" by Muslim invaders! LOL
Karma...Christianity as a system would do well to learn a thing or two about karma.
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If they tried to take down the Aqsa mosque, there would be all out war - the kind that Israel would not be able to win. They would be destroyed. They have to know this. So there's no proof that if they had the chance, they wouldn't tear down the mosque.
"The point of most religions is to spread their way of thought, and be opposed to other ways."
I disagree. I am a Christian. I do not believe that the point of Christianity is to be opposed to other ways of thought. I do not need to prove Islam false in order to prove Christianity is true. I need only prove that Christianity is true. This can be revealed through faith and reason. The point of religions is to explain the purpose for our lives that is not written down in a science book.
"Rationalism is hardly the territory of religion"
Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have been made by priests and religious scholars. These leaders discovered scientific truths using the support they received by their faith and church. Religion is not inherently irrational. While making great discoveries, many also believed that Jesus Christ was God or that Muhammad received revelations from the angel Gabriel.
-Enoch Powell
Faith proves nothing. Faith is just that...an innate feeling that something is just "right". Brainwashing can produce the same effect.
Truth is, there's little evidence to support any parable from any religion, and faith is substituted for fact. It is a fact that organized religion is big business, and that the majority of people have a real need to be controlled...regardless of what they might say to the contrary. There's just a finite supply of truly enlightened people in this world. For everyone else, there's organized religion.
I'm not saying that its good or bad. Jesus was not a Christian. Muhammad was the profit of Islam, but not a Muslim. The trick of religion is to keep people from aspiring to the Christ or Muhammad consciousness, which God promises is a part of our souls by the simple fact that we exist, and are created by Him.
that one concept alone renders most organized religion useless. Organized religion places one in worship and servitude to a social doctrine that is twisted into a "religion". The reality is, we are each a part of God, and as such possess the inate ability to attain God consciousness.
old music: http://www.myspace.com/slowloader
Why would they want to anyway? Politics aside, its a beautiful building and part of the world's cultural hertitage. They're not just going to knock it down for no reason. And what about the hundreds of other mosques scattered throughout Israel? They haven't been knocked down yet either, although I'm sure the Israelis could get away with it if they wanted to.
-C Addison
nearly wiped out the population of 2.5 continents, destroyed the culture of europe, iran, india, greece, italy, iraq (sumeria, chaldea, mesopotamia), egypt.... words cant describe their carnage and bloodshed....
comming back to the thread topic..... yes.. islam vs the rest of the world... just as predicted by the prophets of canaan.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
it certainly didnt want to stop the genocide of the jews !!
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I agree with some of what you said, but for the most part, I find this to be a pretty narrow minded view of what religion is.
could you please share with us, what the broad minded view is like??
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
You as a christian may not emphasize this part of it, and if so, I commend you for it. But it has been an integral part of religion for some time.
Well yeah, but their religion had nothing to do with their discoveries. Let me specify. I did not say that religious people are irrational. I said that religion in its nature is not rational. It is about faith, isn't it? Faith isn't rational, provable or scientific. Faith is a gut feeling beyond rationality. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be faith. You getting where I'm going with this?
When I say religion isn't rational, then believe it or not, it is not meant as denigrating on my part. I just state that there are rational aspects of life, and unrational aspects of life. Faith and religion are firmly under the latter. Doesn't make them unimportant, wrong or laughable. Just not rational.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
That's because religion takes away any objective discussion of what it really is. I've been though a bunch of religions. To me, the one recurring thing about PEOPLE in religion is that they are all seeking something that they've already got right inside of themselves...and religion is more than happy to help them not find it.
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Israel would probaly make the word "muslim" a footnote in a history book.
Thats your opinion. Ive found religion to be quite fulfilling.
Peace & Harmony
to be livin here today.
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
and they can’t take that away.
And I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
Thus proving my point.
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