Ankle-biting Democrats

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Wow....Walz withdraws

It would be a third term so not unheard of.

Fits right into the R attack of fraud waste and abuse of tax monies. Zohran can’t wait to start his turn at it.. Probably not seeing any movement on ACA subsidies before the midterms. Nice move, Tim.

It was a Benghazi style attack. Walz didn't have anything to do with the fraud and there were prosecutions.

The GOP was trotting it out because of that youtuber that put out the misleading videos. 

Except he took full responsibility.

as  leader worth a shit should. 

seem to recall a bygone era where the concept of "The Buck Stops Here" was in effect. 

Minnesota GOP manufactured all of the controversy and said so publically. 

exactly. imagine a world where the leader had zero to do with something but took full responsibility for it cuz that's part of the job of being a leader. Knowing the distraction takes away from the real issue. 

I remember those days when republican leaders were like that. Now it's only Democratic ones that fall on the sword. 

“Zero to do with”

Maybe ask google if a state's governor is responsible for the overall management and efficiency of the executive branch, which includes ensuring that effective financial controls are in place to prevent, deter, and detect fraud over spending.

I don't see what you are saying is any different than what Mickey or HFD are saying. The Buck stops with the leader. No one is arguing that, unless you are saying the leader should know every minuscule detail at all times always so is definitely responsible AND involved. 

By all accounts this happened under Walz watch, but probably not to his knowledge. He took the bullet and now a good politician who stood up for people and accomplished stuff that makes Minnesotans lives better will never politik again. 

Are you familiar with the financial concept that I referenced? Part of responsibility for internal financial controls is that they are monitored and determined to be operating effectively. That does not mean that a chief executive knows of every little problem. But it does mean that the system in place, constantly working and evaluating, and that is designed to catch stuff like this and is always monitored and working. It is 100% the job of every chief  executive in large organizations  to know this and make sure it’s operating effectively.

Lerxst1992

Impeach trump lol? They really want to help Vance out for 28 and step on that rake for a third time.

Tim Simmons

to be clear, you think impeachments (consequences) turn off swing and moderate voters who are generally unhappy with the current administration?

HughFreakingDillon

Tim Simmons said:

to be clear, you think impeachments (consequences) turn off swing and moderate voters who are generally unhappy with the current administration?

When someone thinks a meme posted on a rock band’s paid forum will sway a federal election, nothing is off the table. 

Tim Simmons

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Wow....Walz withdraws

It would be a third term so not unheard of.

Fits right into the R attack of fraud waste and abuse of tax monies. Zohran can’t wait to start his turn at it.. Probably not seeing any movement on ACA subsidies before the midterms. Nice move, Tim.

It was a Benghazi style attack. Walz didn't have anything to do with the fraud and there were prosecutions.

The GOP was trotting it out because of that youtuber that put out the misleading videos. 

Except he took full responsibility.

as  leader worth a shit should. 

seem to recall a bygone era where the concept of "The Buck Stops Here" was in effect. 

Minnesota GOP manufactured all of the controversy and said so publicly. 

exactly. imagine a world where the leader had zero to do with something but took full responsibility for it cuz that's part of the job of being a leader. Knowing the distraction takes away from the real issue. 

I remember those days when republican leaders were like that. Now it's only Democratic ones that fall on the sword. 

“Zero to do with”

Maybe ask google if a state's governor is responsible for the overall management and efficiency of the executive branch, which includes ensuring that effective financial controls are in place to prevent, deter, and detect fraud over spending.

I don't see what you are saying is any different than what Mickey or HFD are saying. The Buck stops with the leader. No one is arguing that, unless you are saying the leader should know every minuscule detail at all times always so is definitely responsible AND involved. 

By all accounts this happened under Walz watch, but probably not to his knowledge. He took the bullet and now a good politician who stood up for people and accomplished stuff that makes Minnesotans lives better will never politik again. 

Are you familiar with the financial concept that I referenced? Part of responsibility for internal financial controls is that they are monitored and determined to be operating effectively. That does not mean that a chief executive knows of every little problem. But it does mean that the system in place, constantly working and evaluating, and that is designed to catch stuff like this and is always monitored and working. It is 100% the job of every chief  executive in large organizations to know this and make sure it’s operating effectively.

Ok you you are both saying the same thing. You just chose to argue semantics over the phrase "zero to do with". :thumbsupemoji

HughFreakingDillon

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Wow....Walz withdraws

It would be a third term so not unheard of.

Fits right into the R attack of fraud waste and abuse of tax monies. Zohran can’t wait to start his turn at it.. Probably not seeing any movement on ACA subsidies before the midterms. Nice move, Tim.

It was a Benghazi style attack. Walz didn't have anything to do with the fraud and there were prosecutions.

The GOP was trotting it out because of that youtuber that put out the misleading videos. 

Except he took full responsibility.

as  leader worth a shit should. 

seem to recall a bygone era where the concept of "The Buck Stops Here" was in effect. 

Minnesota GOP manufactured all of the controversy and said so publicly. 

exactly. imagine a world where the leader had zero to do with something but took full responsibility for it cuz that's part of the job of being a leader. Knowing the distraction takes away from the real issue. 

I remember those days when republican leaders were like that. Now it's only Democratic ones that fall on the sword. 

“Zero to do with”

Maybe ask google if a state's governor is responsible for the overall management and efficiency of the executive branch, which includes ensuring that effective financial controls are in place to prevent, deter, and detect fraud over spending.

I don't see what you are saying is any different than what Mickey or HFD are saying. The Buck stops with the leader. No one is arguing that, unless you are saying the leader should know every minuscule detail at all times always so is definitely responsible AND involved. 

By all accounts this happened under Walz watch, but probably not to his knowledge. He took the bullet and now a good politician who stood up for people and accomplished stuff that makes Minnesotans lives better will never politik again. 

Are you familiar with the financial concept that I referenced? Part of responsibility for internal financial controls is that they are monitored and determined to be operating effectively. That does not mean that a chief executive knows of every little problem. But it does mean that the system in place, constantly working and evaluating, and that is designed to catch stuff like this and is always monitored and working. It is 100% the job of every chief  executive in large organizations to know this and make sure it’s operating effectively.

Ok you you are both saying the same thing. You just chose to argue semantics over the phrase "zero to do with". :thumbsupemoji

Correct. I worked in financial reporting to a president and board of directors for two decades. I know what they know and what they’d have to be directed to. And, likely, in both scenarios, would result in a leader stepping down.