Iraq - The Best Story of the Year

Cosmo

810wmb wrote:

dude, get a new record...it was justified..the end

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Dude... get your mouth off of George Bush's dick... it had nothing to do with September 11th.
Afghanistan... yes, directly involved with the attacks and global terrorism. Iraq... no. No involvement with September 11th and only localized threat not extending beyond its borders.
Try stepping into reality for a change.

gimmesometruth27

810wmb wrote:

any of you guys thinking about signing up? why not? too smart?

look, in this day and age, you know what you are getting into when you join..

how dare you call out anyone on the board and question if they served or why they didn't!

you support the cause so much yet you give the typical bullshit chicken-hawk deferrment response "they knew what they were getting into when they joined".

how typical......

the objective in war is to take territory and take prisoners, which incapacitates the enemy army. when the enemy can no longer fight, you win. we have not taken territory, we launched into iraq from friendly allied nations like saudi arabia and are occupying what was already there. we have not taken many prisoners, but we killed a shit ton or civillians and "terrorists". the objective is NOT to babysit oilfields and independant contractors and diplomats. this is an occupation and it should be ended immediately.

Katzenjammer

Iraq may be better off than it was a few years ago, but how many people died getting it to that state? a million?

If it were up to me (it isn't) we would let the Iraqi people vote not just on their leader but what should the American troops do. That is the path to success: we cannot stay in Iraq forever and neither is it responsible to leave immediately. The absolute best course of action comes from the people we are/were trying to help. They know what they want.




As for segregating Iraq into Kurd/Sunni/Shii sections to create peace, that has no good outcome. If America tried to split the land up, you're sure as hell we'd do it unfairly. Does anyone really believe we can tell millions of people: "scooch"? I can think of one other time when the West tried to create religious haven out of an entire country. We all know how that worked out.

Cosmo

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

... you support the cause so much yet you give the typical bullshit chicken-hawk deferrment response "they knew what they were getting into when they joined".

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That is the one statement that pisses me off more than any other statement out there. Anyone who makes that statement is not supporting the troops in the field... they are supporting the policies made in the White House. It makes me sick... and it makes me angry.
Especially when it is spewed from civilian pansy asses that cheer the sending off of other American lives into harm's way.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

assload of depleted uranium showered on Iraq

mmm...tumors

810wmb

Cosmo wrote:

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Dude... get your mouth off of George Bush's dick... it had nothing to do with September 11th.
Afghanistan... yes, directly involved with the attacks and global terrorism. Iraq... no. No involvement with September 11th and only localized threat not extending beyond its borders.
Try stepping into reality for a change.

if i was sucking a dick, it would be you - you seem to be dick all over

Cosmo

810wmb wrote:

if i was sucking a dick, it would be you - you seem to be dick all over

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If you were sucking dick.. you'd be sucking mine?
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I bet you say that to all the boys.
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The sucking Bush dick means you are constantly making excuses for his poor decision making... the war and occupation... the stay the course bullshit... the constant excuses. You make excuses for his mistakes... yes, mistakes... like he's your homosexual lover or something.
Everyone makes mistakes. Wusses and assholes fail to admit to them.

soulsinging

810wmb wrote:

if i was sucking a dick, it would be you - you seem to be dick all over

if the war is so worth fighting, why haven't you enlisted to help the effort? occupation in iraq not worth dying for? not worth a few months away from your job for?

Katzenjammer

Cosmo wrote:

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If you were sucking dick.. you'd be sucking mine?
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I bet you say that to all the boys.
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The sucking Bush dick means you are constantly making excuses for his poor decision making...

Man, you really showed him.

Byrnzie

Yep, things are just rosy over there now. Thank God for 'Intelligent American foriegn policy'.

Meanwhile...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7139974.stm
Wednesday, 12 December 2007, 14:59 GMT

Triple car bombs hit south Iraq

Three car bombs have exploded in the southern Iraqi city of Amara, killing at least 39 people and injuring more than 100, police say.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7132111.stm
Friday, 7 December 2007, 16:50 GMT

Double bombing in Iraqi province

At least 26 people have died in two blasts in Iraq's Diyala province. One attack was carried out by a female suicide bomber.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_iraq;_ylt=At2.zvd3R.gyKZxqQQQC3jFX6GMA
'...the Iraqi Army is losing up to 17 percent of its troops a year because of higher casualty rates, which are two to three times that of coalition forces, as well as desertions.

As of November, 21,000 Iraqi soldiers had been dropped from the rolls this year after going AWOL, the report said.'

810wmb

soulsinging wrote:

if the war is so worth fighting, why haven't you enlisted to help the effort? occupation in iraq not worth dying for? not worth a few months away from your job for?

too old

810wmb

Katzenjammer wrote:

Man, you really showed him.

oh yeah, by golly gee, i did


edit - you know, i know it's crap - i just don't take too kindly to someone saying i'm sucking dick

NCfan

What's bullshit is all the people who deny that for the first time in 35 years, there is actually hope and the true possibility for a better future in Iraq. That trumps by far all the Abu Grhaib, Guantanamo, blood for oil, false war whinning.

Ya'll are so hung up on the US being there in the first place that you cannot contemplate that Iraq may actually turn out okay.

Don't listen to the media. Don't listen to the Bush admin. Read history and use common sense.

Iraq is not going to turn around in a year, five years, ten years - and it never was. It can be lost in that amount of time, and almost has been. But it will take generational turnover to see true, lasting results in Iraq. We're going to be there until that happens, so get ready.

The fact that so many actually hope the US loses to prove their point or to feel vindicated about false intelegence makes me sick. What a bunch of hypocrite assholes, who want to talk about Bush killing innocents and being a war-monger or not caring about the plight of Iraqi's - when people bash what the US is trying to accomplish there because they didn't agree with it to start with.

Your arguements are null and void at this point. It's like a surgeon who decides to walk away from a heart transplant after it's underway, because he lied to the patient and told him he needed a new heart, when he really didn't.

We're trying to help Iraq damnit!

even flow?

NCfan wrote:

What's bullshit is all the people who deny that for the first time in 35 years, there is actually hope and the true possibility for a better future in Iraq. That trumps by far all the Abu Grhaib, Guantanamo, blood for oil, false war whinning.

Ya'll are so hung up on the US being there in the first place that you cannot contemplate that Iraq may actually turn out okay.

Don't listen to the media. Don't listen to the Bush admin. Read history and use common sense.

Iraq is not going to turn around in a year, five years, ten years - and it never was. It can be lost in that amount of time, and almost has been. But it will take generational turnover to see true, lasting results in Iraq. We're going to be there until that happens, so get ready.

The fact that so many actually hope the US loses to prove their point or to feel vindicated about false intelegence makes me sick. What a bunch of hypocrite assholes, who want to talk about Bush killing innocents and being a war-monger or not caring about the plight of Iraqi's - when people bash what the US is trying to accomplish there because they didn't agree with it to start with.

Your arguements are null and void at this point. It's like a surgeon who decides to walk away from a heart transplant after it's underway, because he lied to the patient and told him he needed a new heart, when he really didn't.

We're trying to help Iraq damnit!

Aren't you glad you are living in the States and nobody has come bombing your house to change the way you live! I am sure people like you would be all but willing to give up your way of life to have your country bombed and your lifestyle changed. Right? You would understand that and it would be welcomed. :rolleyes: No matter how long that took and how many friends and family had to die for that. Where the fuck do you or anybody else get off on stating not just saying that other countries need to be like yours to function in this world.

Cosmo

NCfan wrote:

What's bullshit is all the people who deny that for the first time in 35 years, there is actually hope and the true possibility for a better future in Iraq. That trumps by far all the Abu Grhaib, Guantanamo, blood for oil, false war whinning.

Ya'll are so hung up on the US being there in the first place that you cannot contemplate that Iraq may actually turn out okay.

Don't listen to the media. Don't listen to the Bush admin. Read history and use common sense.

Iraq is not going to turn around in a year, five years, ten years - and it never was. It can be lost in that amount of time, and almost has been. But it will take generational turnover to see true, lasting results in Iraq. We're going to be there until that happens, so get ready.

The fact that so many actually hope the US loses to prove their point or to feel vindicated about false intelegence makes me sick. What a bunch of hypocrite assholes, who want to talk about Bush killing innocents and being a war-monger or not caring about the plight of Iraqi's - when people bash what the US is trying to accomplish there because they didn't agree with it to start with.

Your arguements are null and void at this point. It's like a surgeon who decides to walk away from a heart transplant after it's underway, because he lied to the patient and told him he needed a new heart, when he really didn't.

We're trying to help Iraq damnit!

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All you need to do is look at the factual data about Iraq and come to your own conclusion:
During Hussein's reign, the population of Iraq was 20% Sunni, 20% Kurdish and 60% Shi'ite.
Shi'ites are a minority in the Middle East and make up about 10% of all Muslims in the region.
The only Shi'ite majority state in the Middle East is Iran.
During Hussein's reign, Shi'ite pilgrims outside of Iraq were limited to about 300 per year and were booted out. Shi'ites must make one pilgrimage to Najaf, Iraq at least once in their lifetime.
Shi'ites gave the world the Islamic revolution of Ayatollah Khomeni, Hezbollah and Muqtada al Sadr.
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Now... given the right to choose their leaders... who do you think the 60%+ majority will elect?
Who do you think they will align themselves with in the Middle East region?
As for generational changes... what about the kids whose non-combatant fathers and uncles were tortured in Abu Grhaib for no good reason... are they going to embrace the Americans and simply forgive them? Do you believe this because vengence is not in their nature?
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Helping Iraq... the majority of Iraqis... means empowering the Shi'ites of the region. A possible and probable outcome is a freely elected Shi'ite fundamentalist bloc with Iran.
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Is this what you want?

Abuskedti

NCfan wrote:

What's bullshit is all the people who deny that for the first time in 35 years, there is actually hope and the true possibility for a better future in Iraq. That trumps by far all the Abu Grhaib, Guantanamo, blood for oil, false war whinning.

Ya'll are so hung up on the US being there in the first place that you cannot contemplate that Iraq may actually turn out okay.

Don't listen to the media. Don't listen to the Bush admin. Read history and use common sense.

Iraq is not going to turn around in a year, five years, ten years - and it never was. It can be lost in that amount of time, and almost has been. But it will take generational turnover to see true, lasting results in Iraq. We're going to be there until that happens, so get ready.

The fact that so many actually hope the US loses to prove their point or to feel vindicated about false intelegence makes me sick. What a bunch of hypocrite assholes, who want to talk about Bush killing innocents and being a war-monger or not caring about the plight of Iraqi's - when people bash what the US is trying to accomplish there because they didn't agree with it to start with.

Your arguements are null and void at this point. It's like a surgeon who decides to walk away from a heart transplant after it's underway, because he lied to the patient and told him he needed a new heart, when he really didn't.

We're trying to help Iraq damnit!

You do not address all the people that were killed.

flywallyfly

NCfan wrote:

What's bullshit is all the people who deny that for the first time in 35 years, there is actually hope and the true possibility for a better future in Iraq. That trumps by far all the Abu Grhaib, Guantanamo, blood for oil, false war whinning.

Ya'll are so hung up on the US being there in the first place that you cannot contemplate that Iraq may actually turn out okay.

Don't listen to the media. Don't listen to the Bush admin. Read history and use common sense.

Iraq is not going to turn around in a year, five years, ten years - and it never was. It can be lost in that amount of time, and almost has been. But it will take generational turnover to see true, lasting results in Iraq. We're going to be there until that happens, so get ready.

The fact that so many actually hope the US loses to prove their point or to feel vindicated about false intelegence makes me sick. What a bunch of hypocrite assholes, who want to talk about Bush killing innocents and being a war-monger or not caring about the plight of Iraqi's - when people bash what the US is trying to accomplish there because they didn't agree with it to start with.

Your arguements are null and void at this point. It's like a surgeon who decides to walk away from a heart transplant after it's underway, because he lied to the patient and told him he needed a new heart, when he really didn't.

We're trying to help Iraq damnit!

Well we need to hurry the job in Iraq then. Just think of all the other nations around the world we need to invade to help them out of their problems. We are in it for that, arent we ?

810wmb

even flow? wrote:

Aren't you glad you are living in the States and nobody has come bombing your house to change the way you live! I am sure people like you would be all but willing to give up your way of life to have your country bombed and your lifestyle changed. Right? You would understand that and it would be welcomed. :rolleyes: No matter how long that took and how many friends and family had to die for that. Where the fuck do you or anybody else get off on stating not just saying that other countries need to be like yours to function in this world.

oh yeah, 9/11 never fucking happened...who the fuck are you?

Cosmo

810wmb wrote:

oh yeah, 9/11 never fucking happened...who the fuck are you?

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I think his point is... didn't the September 11, 2001 attacks piss you off? Have you forgotten about it and forgiven the people who are responsible for this?
If you can't forgive and forget... why should the Iraqis that have suffered from our bombing?

NCfan

even flow? wrote:

Aren't you glad you are living in the States and nobody has come bombing your house to change the way you live! I am sure people like you would be all but willing to give up your way of life to have your country bombed and your lifestyle changed. Right? You would understand that and it would be welcomed. :rolleyes: No matter how long that took and how many friends and family had to die for that. Where the fuck do you or anybody else get off on stating not just saying that other countries need to be like yours to function in this world.

Where do you get off putting words in my mouth? I never said that, nor do I think that other countries should be like mine. Please show me where I stated that.... you have twisted my words evidently.