More climate change denial from the US government

ThumbingMyWay32

surferdude wrote:

You do realize that book was fiction, with a talking ape.

lol I wasn't going to mention the ape...

gue_barium

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

I've drank water from a hose before.

There's been evidence of an Ice Age. Atleast two. Please present the facts to me as to why the first one ever ended, and why the second one started.

Ok, now you're being a shmuck.

Very cute.

IWillLiveForeve

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

I've read the book. So have two of my friends. It's interesting and a good read. It did not sway my opinion on the matter. It did not prove global warming exist. And I love Yield. And if these issues inspired it, then I'm glad Ed and the guys believe what they do. It made them a lot of money.

At the end of the day, they as well as you, can not prove global warming exist. Do we do things that we shouldn't do such as dumping nuclear waste, dumping oil etc... Sure. Does this cause hurricanes? Prove it.


Has anyone proven God exist? No.

I don't even know why you are arguing this point. Weather is the most pronounced state of the environment. If it is shifting, then something else is shifting, and it often begins with dumping and pollution, then dominos from there. The basic thing is this: acknowledge the fact that you do not have to have the impact on the environment that you currently do. Recycle, minimize dependence on fossil fuels, turn your lights off when you leave the house, carpool, whatever. The bottom line: it can't hurt. The thing that is fucked about your attitude: it doesn't help.

ThumbingMyWay32

gue_barium wrote:

Ok, now you're being a shmuck.

Very cute.

No. I would just like for you to definitively prove we're causing global warming instead of trying to infer to it.

ThumbingMyWay32

IWillLiveForeve wrote:

I don't even know why you are arguing this point. Weather is the most pronounced state of the environment. If it is shifting, then something else is shifting, and it often begins with dumping and pollution, then dominos from there. The basic thing is this: acknowledge the fact that you do not have to have the impact on the environment that you currently do. Recycle, minimize dependence on fossil fuels, turn your lights off when you leave the house, carpool, whatever. The bottom line: it can't hurt. The thing that is fucked about your attitude: it doesn't help.

You think my attitude is fucked up because I don't believe in something that can't be proven. I turn my lights off when I'm gone to save money. I carpool to save gas, which saves money. I recycle because it's easy to do.

"If it is shifting, then something else is shifting, and it often begins with dumping and pollution, then dominos from there."

And that quote... Yet another hypothetical idea that you can not prove. Reguardless of how I feel about it.

IWillLiveForeve

surferdude wrote:

You do realize that book was fiction, with a talking ape.

Of course. But the point of the book is to make you think. It uses the ape to put things in the context of an outsider looking in and evaluting. I think Quinn's exact words in a interview was that he used the ape to 'hold a mirror up to the human condition'. Sometimes fiction teaches you more than non-fiction has to offer. That being said, I think Trekkies are fucking crazy.

ThumbingMyWay32

IWillLiveForeve wrote:

Of course. But the point of the book is to make you think. It uses the ape to put things in the context of an outsider looking in and evaluting. I think Quinn's exact words in a interview was that he used the ape to 'hold a mirror up to the human condition'. Sometimes fiction teaches you more than non-fiction has to offer. That being said, I think Trekkies are fucking crazy.

I find absolutely nothing wrong with Star Trek.

Trekkies? Real Trekkies? That we can agree on.

gue_barium

I want to be a Trekkie.

Evolutionarily realism requires, in my own mind, that i first play in a DEVO cover band.

IWillLiveForeve

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

You think my attitude is fucked up because I don't believe in something that can't be proven. I turn my lights off when I'm gone to save money. I carpool to save gas, which saves money. I recycle because it's easy to do.

"If it is shifting, then something else is shifting, and it often begins with dumping and pollution, then dominos from there."

And that quote... Yet another hypothetical idea that you can not prove. Reguardless of how I feel about it.

Hypothetically the sun is suppose to come up tomorrow. I don't think it will. I bet you do. Well, prove it. Seriously, give me some facts that say it will absolutely rise at 6 AM. I need some predictive data.

My point is this: it will come up tomorrow, and you know this because you know that it has for a long time, and you know that there is proof of this happening every day. Well we have proof we as a people produce some toxic shit every day- that is a fact you admit. Well we have been putting that bad shit into the air that we breathe, the water we drink, and land we walk on. For a long time. What do you think will happen?

I guarantee you it will not be better or even the same. To argue otherwise is truly sad. It shows a complete lack of understanding of your surroundings and your impact on them. Basically, your are fucking selfish.

gue_barium

Whip it!

Whip it good!

Scubascott

Guys, its clear that neither of you have much idea what you are talking about. So here are some facts for you.



The concept of global warming is concerned with an increase in the temperature of the earth's surface (hence the term warming) and the asscociated effects that that temperature increase has on our climate. To whoever tried to tell me that its not about temperature, you are dead wrong.

It has nothing at all to do with tsunamis, eathquakes, acid rain, oils spills in the ocean or the hole in the ozone layer.

Global warming is happening. That is not a matter for debate. It is being measured, and it is very very real. Even Bush admits this. The causes of the warming are what is being debated. It may be anthropogenic, or it may be natural. The evidence suggests that it could well be anthropogenic.

Yes the eath has warmed before, many times. It has also cooled. These cycles of warming and cooling are due to factors including eccentricities in our orbit around the sun, the tectonic drift of continents and consequent effects on ocean currents, volcanic eruptions, and greenhouse gas concentrations. The increase in temperature over the last 50 years or so has occurred too rapidly to be due to tectonic changes. We can predict the effects of orbital eccentricities, and this warming doesn't fit that pattern. There have been no volcanic eruptions of sufficient size to cause this effect, that leaves greehouse gases as the most likely culprit. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. There is a clear relationship between the temperature of the earth's surface and the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.

http://icebubbles.ucsd.edu/CaillonTermIII.pdf

By burning fossil fuels, humans are generating CO2 at rate which will soon see the CO2 concentration in our atmosphere surpass any level in the past 400,000 years.

Those are the facts.

Now, to return to the point. Why does Sen. Inhofe feel that the whole story has been concocted in order to get the US to redistribute its wealth amongst the rest of the world, and how would the UN stand to gain from such a redistribution? I'm no economist, so I can't begin to fathom where he's coming from on this one.

gue_barium

IWillLiveForeve wrote:

Hypothetically the sun is suppose to come up tomorrow. I don't think it will. I bet you do. Well, prove it. Seriously, give me some facts that say it will absolutely rise at 6 AM. I need some predictive data.

My point is this: it will come up tomorrow, and you know this because you know that it has for a long time, and you know that there is proof of this happening every day. Well we have proof we as a people produce some toxic shit every day- that is a fact you admit. Well we have been putting that bad shit into the air that we breathe, the water we drink, and land we walk on. For a long time. What do you think will happen?

I guarantee you it will not be better or even the same. To argue otherwise is truly sad. It shows a complete lack of understanding of your surroundings and your impact on them. Basically, your are fucking selfish.

Yeah, i think what you're saying is true, to a point. I also think that guy is kinda messing around.
Good exercise, ya know?
His diatribe will never make the print. It's there, of course, and i'm glad somebody says it. He's a good team mate.

ThumbingMyWay32

Global warming does not exist. We may be in the middle of another period of warming, but to claim that we are causing this is absurd.

In another 50 million years if the temperatures are still rising then get at me. The fact is, there is nothing to talk about.

ThumbingMyWay32

gue_barium wrote:

Yeah, i think what you're saying is true, to a point. I also think that guy is kinda messing around.
Good exercise, ya know?
His diatribe will never make the print. It's there, of course, and i'm glad somebody says it. He's a good team mate.

It's called digging for a way to spread liberalism globally.

gue_barium

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Global warming does not exist. We may be in the middle of another period of warming, but to claim that we are causing this is absurd.

In another 50 million years if the temperatures are still rising then get at me.

Are we causing changes in the environment?

IWillLiveForeve

Scubascott wrote:

Guys, its clear that neither of you have much idea what you are talking about. So here are some facts for you.



The concept of global warming is concerned with an increase in the temperature of the earth's surface (hence the term warming) and the asscociated effects that that temperature increase has on our climate. To whoever tried to tell me that its not about temperature, you are dead wrong.

It has nothing at all to do with tsunamis, eathquakes, acid rain, oils spills in the ocean or the hole in the ozone layer.

Global warming is happening. That is not a matter for debate. It is being measured, and it is very very real. Even Bush admits this. The causes of the warming are what is being debated. It may be anthropogenic, or it may be natural. The evidence suggests that it could well be anthropogenic.

Yes the eath has warmed before, many times. It has also cooled. These cycles of warming and cooling are due to factors including eccentricities in our orbit around the sun, the tectonic drift of continents and consequent effects on ocean currents, volcanic eruptions, and greenhouse gas concentrations. The increase in temperature over the last 50 years or so has occurred too rapidly to be due to tectonic changes. We can predict the effects of orbital eccentricities, and this warming doesn't fit that pattern. There have been no volcanic eruptions of sufficient size to cause this effect, that leaves greehouse gases as the most likely culprit. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. There is a clear relationship between the temperature of the earth's surface and the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.

http://icebubbles.ucsd.edu/CaillonTermIII.pdf

By burning fossil fuels, humans are generating CO2 at rate which will soon see the CO2 concentration in our atmosphere surpass any level in the past 400,000 years.

Those are the facts.

Now, to return to the point. Why does Sen. Inhofe feel that the whole story has been concocted in order to get the US to redistribute its wealth amongst the rest of the world, and how would the UN stand to gain from such a redistribution? I'm no economist, so I can't begin to fathom where he's coming from on this one.

Hey, I don't even try to say I know the intricacies of this shit. It's way over my head. My point is simple: we aren't doing ourselves any favors in regards to the environment, and we can be doing better. Again, a small contributer to the overall issue, but every bit helps. Thumbing isn't even willing to acknowledge this, and it is scaring the hell out of me. I mean most people on this board are fairly self-aware and have a good grip of the big picture. If this guy is somewhat smart, and he holds these beliefs, what the hell is the mindset of the general population. Think about that. "Stop the world, I want to get off"

ThumbingMyWay32

gue_barium wrote:

Are we causing changes in the environment?

I'm talking to a bot aren't I? Are we?

gue_barium

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

I'm talking to a bot aren't I? Are we?

Alright, I understand. I'm going to give you a break and attribute it to a few beers, or something. Happy Thanksgiving and Peace to you and yours. Your family is my family.

IWillLiveForeve

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

It's called digging for a way to spread liberalism globally.

Holy shit. I just figured it out. You're from the South aren't you?

'Fucking Liberal Conspiracy to not have us breathe shitty air! They must be stopped from making our environment better rather than just not doing anything because you can't prove a negative.'

Jesus. To think I was concerned about this. Folks, this is an unwinnable arguement. God forbid if the South ever does rise again. Hey, Thumbing, wasn't that an amaaaaaaazing race for the Nextel Cup. FUCK YEAH!

gue_barium

IWillLiveForeve wrote:

Holy shit. I just figured it out. You're from the South aren't you?

'Fucking Liberal Conspiracy to not have us breathe shitty air! They must be stopped from making our environment better rather than just not doing anything because you can't prove a negative.'

Jesus. To think I was concerned about this. Folks, this is an unwinnable arguement. God forbid if the South ever does rise again. Hey, Thumbing, wasn't that an amaaaaaaazing race for the Nextel Cup. FUCK YEAH!

I don't know who's kidding who here.

Good Thanksgiving to you. And yours. If they still accept you.