Science Without a Soul

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Whereas I find 90% of the stuff you champion to be rather irrespective of the actual facts. I just want to know if my jaw can be fixed and what needs to be done. I don't need redevelopment training of my self-image, I'm not that fragile. I got Lansoprazole for reducing the production of stomach acid, it does not affect my self-image at all. I agree with this recovery thingy for some people, I personally would have no use for it, and such talk really just annoys me. I would go to a different doctor, one that spares me all the bullshit and gives it to me straight up.

And more power to you in your own self-direction.

In my supportive role in the mental health realm, I support people where they are and with what they see and define. I support their view as is, no question. No matter how much I disagree--someone else's view is not about me.

Talking on a board like this is different because it's a place where I develop my own personal views, so I give my own perspective free reign knowing others are equal and as such have their own views.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

In-fact, I'm a little discontented with this patient-choice phenomena. You go to a doctor with some symptoms, they say "Well you can do A, B or C. A has these side-effects, B has these side-effects, and C has these side-effects." I'm not there for a course in pharmacology, just tell me what I should do, what does the professional with all the background knowledge think I should do. Certainly his opinion will be superior to mine, assuming I'm ignorant of pharmacology and psychiatry.

That's certainly a choice. I've relinquished my power to doctors before, fully--believing they know better. Therefore I had surgery on my ear, without even looking into it, and it resulted in hearing loss. I've learned empowerment is my friend. And whenever I relinquish my will to a professional, it's because I've chosen to in empowered way, not because of unconscious power or psycho-social dynamics beneath the surface.

angelica

Which brings me to a crucial point here, in empowerment: We are all responsible for all of our actions at all times--even when we have psychiatric issues. The idea of there being a "victim" is an illusion. When we have choice we have power and if we are awake (conscious), we have a choice. Granted, often due to psycho-social training, those with psychiatric issues may find themselves feeling quite unempowered--I felt powerLESS for many, many years. No matter how much we feel unempowered, or no matter how much we give our power away, life always holds us accountable for the choices we make including giving away our power. It's like when I relinquished my power to the ear surgeon and I ended up paying the price with hearing loss. It's like when I let my birth control issues go to "fate" and changed the course of my life by conceiving a child, through whose birth, post-partum depression and severe mental illness was triggered. I was powerless because I was not aware of how much I gave away my power, and my choice, unconsciously. The idea that a professional has more power is absolutely an illusion, too, and unfortunately both sides of the coin buy into such a myth, perpetuating it's falseness.

Ahnimus

I still think we need to talk epistemology, before we go back to presonal responsibility.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

I still think we need to talk epistemology, before we go back to presonal responsibility.

In what regard?

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

In what regard?

We need to start at the beginning. How do we know what we know? And why is it true?

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

We need to start at the beginning. How do we know what we know? And why is it true?

We?

gue_barium

angelica wrote:

We?

Heheh.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

We?

wtf is the problem now?

gue_barium

Ahnimus wrote:

wtf is the problem now?

"There are no problems, only solutions." The Beatle man

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

wtf is the problem now?

I'm wondering why you would like to talk epistemology. We've covered the foundations of our beliefs many times. We don't agree and that makes sense to me--I'm okay with it.

If you would like me to clarify a term of whatever, I'm completely up for that.