File sharing on the net

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I often wonder. When I signed up, my ISP offered unlimited bandwidth. They tried to change his and soooo many people changed providers and the complaints were 24/7, so they dropped the extra fees for going over a certain amount of gigs. Now it's back to unlimited.

    They'll might put cap back on at some point, but there's enough competition where I am, that one guy will remain unlimited and will grab all the business which forces the others back to unlimited. This already happened once before.

    As far as privacy, it's essentially impossible to trace the file itself as it comes from several different people. The bit torrent program could even employ a rotating encryption routine that would activate randomly between individual peers, which would shut the ISP out of the equation altogether aside from bandwidth monitoring.

    There will always be some way of getting around it. The entire internet (globally) would have to be controlled from one central location, and that system would have to be so insanely complex it would not even be practical (or even possible with all the different govt's and red tape)

    That's the beauty of distributed file sharing. It's just a matter of whether the lines remain unlimited. Router technology will need to advance as it's the current bottleneck in maintaining the bandwidth curve. It's near impossible to max out fiber lines from my understanding.

    all you say is true but what I'm saying is the ISPs will be more interested in protecting their own networks as opposed to giving a shit how much we download. (stopping file sharing benefits them even though they are mostly on fiber networks) I used to work for a wireless ISP and my asshole boss would make me implement certain things in peoples modems like when you begin a P2P download the speed stays fast. once it hit a certain amount of traffic the modem would shoot down to almost dial up speed. but we were a small shop with a small network so I understand why he did it.

    once ISP backbones get into the mix we could be screwed. they control ports where this shit flows. granted there are close to 50000 tcp/udp ports available so we'll see. there are too many smart people on both sides of the modem and it will be quite the battle. but then again, I dont have much of an argument when it comes to downloading. most of it is flat out robbery.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    be careful roland. we are in danger of having a normal adult conversation ;)
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    all you say is true but what I'm saying is the ISPs will be more interested in protecting their own networks as opposed to giving a shit how much we download. (stopping file sharing benefits them even though they are mostly on fiber networks) I used to work for a wireless ISP and my asshole boss would make me implement certain things in peoples modems like when you begin a P2P download the speed stays fast. once it hit a certain amount of traffic the modem would shoot down to almost dial up speed. but we were a small shop with a small network so I understand why he did it.

    once ISP backbones get into the mix we could be screwed. they control ports where this shit flows. granted there are close to 50000 tcp/udp ports available so we'll see. there are too many smart people on both sides of the modem and it will be quite the battle. but then again, I dont have much of an argument when it comes to downloading. most of it is flat out robbery.


    Right, bandwidth throttling. any amount of appreciable data on anything other than ports 21, 25, or 80 is pretty suspect.

    It always seems to come down to getting it so that people won't complain when they're doing something wrong, so they (ISP) can squeeze it from that direction and get away with it.

    When you think about it though, the average persons hard drive is around 200 gigs. Sometimes I download that in a month.

    No huge surprise what's going on there.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Right, bandwidth throttling. any amount of appreciable data on anything other than ports 21, 25, or 80 is pretty suspect.

    It always seems to come down to getting it so that people won't complain when they're doing something wrong, so they (ISP) can squeeze it from that direction and get away with it.

    When you think about it though, the average persons hard drive is around 200 gigs. Sometimes I download that in a month.

    No huge surprise what's going on there.

    200 gigs pfffft j/k, but yea I hear ya. check out my ratio on a website to remain unnamed. (I will also like to exercise my 5th amendment privilege on any further information :))

    ↓ 396.94 GB - ↑ 3.53 TB - Ratio : 9.12
  • bgivens33
    bgivens33 Posts: 290
    soulsinging wrote:
    i've asked that question of anti-downloaders before. they seem to say it has to do with how many people can hear it. when i ask them how many is too many, they can't answer. i buy a ton of cd's. if i download, it's only to hear it and see if it's worth me buying. i often buy on a whim off friends' recommendations. but almost every cd i do buy is used. the only cd's i buy new are ones by artists i wouldn't download anyway becos i just love the band and wanna hear their every release.

    I without a doubt think downloading music is stealing... same as movies etc. The difference between the two is when you are buying a CD you are physically buying the CD, nothing more. It would be illegal to make a backup of the CD and then sell it back to the Music Store. You have a right to sell that CD if you would like or even give it away. But you can't give it away to 100's of people AND keep a copy for yourself. And that is effectively what is happening with P2P.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    even flow? wrote:
    Buy the albums you cheap pricks! :)

    tell that to Radiohead

    dont fight advancement, embrace it :)
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    well how about this side of the argument

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=yiBxOBScikw


    (youtube being the topic, but a great video :))
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    my2hands wrote:
    tell that to Radiohead

    dont fight advancement, embrace it :)


    I'm sorry to say this but no up and coming band could ever do what Radiohead pulled off. Seems you need to get your foot in the door to be able to pull a stunt like that off. The only good thing that came from Radiohead is that they are releasing their album on vinyl. For you people talking downloads you really need to listen to music in it's purest form again. Downloading?!
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    even flow? wrote:
    I'm sorry to say this but no up and coming band could ever do what Radiohead pulled off. Seems you need to get your foot in the door to be able to pull a stunt like that off. The only good thing that came from Radiohead is that they are releasing their album on vinyl. For you people talking downloads you really need to listen to music in it's purest form again. Downloading?!

    whoa buddy... i love vinyl. grew up on it. own every PJ album on vinyl... have a shitty record player and need a new one

    any suggestions?
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    bgivens33 wrote:
    I without a doubt think downloading music is stealing... same as movies etc. The difference between the two is when you are buying a CD you are physically buying the CD, nothing more. It would be illegal to make a backup of the CD and then sell it back to the Music Store. You have a right to sell that CD if you would like or even give it away. But you can't give it away to 100's of people AND keep a copy for yourself. And that is effectively what is happening with P2P.

    bullshit. i buy cd's, rip them, and sell them back to the used store all the time. most used shops have a program for this.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    my2hands wrote:
    whoa buddy... i love vinyl. grew up on it. own every PJ album on vinyl... have a shitty record player and need a new one

    any suggestions?


    I still play my vinyl on my old JVC at home. I am drawing a blank on the name brand that my buddy picked up from Britain, but it was pretty pricey. It has a very heavy piece of glass to rest your albums on to cut down on "jumping". Sounds very nice. I will try and get a name for you and PM ya.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    even flow? wrote:
    I still play my vinyl on my old JVC at home. I am drawing a blank on the name brand that my buddy picked up from Britain, but it was pretty pricey. It has a very heavy piece of glass to rest your albums on to cut down on "jumping". Sounds very nice. I will try and get a name for you and PM ya.


    thanks!

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