File sharing on the net
jlew24asu
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where do you think this is heading? maybe soul (or something in law) can go over the legalities of it but will it be completely stopped over time? if so, who enforces it? Internet is a global thing of sorts with no borders.
there are different forms of sharing too. torrents, file sharing programs like emule, limewire, kazaa, or FTP and so on.
can never be stopped in its entirety.
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there are different forms of sharing too. torrents, file sharing programs like emule, limewire, kazaa, or FTP and so on.
can never be stopped in its entirety.
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The number of groups policing the internet (yes, even in torrents) is growing exponentialy ... i've seen the number of attacks on my connections multiply a lot over the last few years ... and it is worse by region and provider ... the DC area, Timewarner Comcast (first hand experience) ...
... I think you will see the RIAA win out eventualy.
They already try to get as much information as they can off the internet, and they are successful in much of their litigation.
It is only a matter of time before they are able to pull off a massive class action and drag hundreds of thousands in for suit ...
... i think once the public sees THAT kind of enforcement, you will see people cutting way back on their illegal consumption, across the board.
Providers are trying desperately to get legal sanction for their ability to monitor and completely control (or censor) all content that passes through their servers.
THAT day could end up being the ultimate destruction of "Internet 1".
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
great topic. some students at asu down the road a piece got busted for downloading music recently. they used the school computer so it was easy to trace. my ISP changes every 30 minutes so they'd have to catch me in the act. to date; i've downloaded 5201 songs and i hope like hell they find me. i have between 200 and 250 records; a box of 8 tracks; boxes of cassettes and at least 500 CDs. i want them to bust me because when it goes to court; my defense is that i already purchased the rights to those songs. the RIAA can eat the costs of tracking me down and filing suit.
i don't think they can stop it. in fact; you can email songs from a hotmail account to another hotmail account. the cost of tracking people down (especially those who don't devulge addresses) far outweighs any gains. they bust a few now and then to let us know they're out there but i don't see it going anywhere. it's as silly as me not being able to play a CD for you if you visit my house.
on the other hand; i have XM and when a song i don't have comes on; i hit a button and it records. a court decided that it falls under the "home recording" act which allows you to tape programs from your tele.
I recently bought a Kings of Leon album and it's protected against copying. I can't put the music on my computer and that sucks because I want it on my mp3 player. So now I'll have to download the album, but first I'll need to get a file sharing programme.
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the LP is copywritten against copying and selling or public broadcast. when you buy the LP; you buy the rights to use that music for personal use and you can copy it to any media you want; as long as it's for personal use.
you can check with a lawyer but i already have.
btw; my fav song on that LP is the bucket
Yeah, I know... but I can't copy the music to my computer.
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OLS is actually right on this one. Back when I used to use emulators and play SNES ROMs there was always a legal disclaimer saying that you could only download and play the ROMs if you already owned the cartridge of the ROM you were downloading. It'd be the same for music. I've got Ten but its scratched to hell so I'm gonna download it and burn it to cd. (I've actually got two copies...I just suck at taking care of my CDs.)
It will not be stopped. Technology will keep surpassing the forces trying to stop it.
One thing that I see happening as bandwidth increases is that people will not actually give other people the file, but rather let them play/open the file from their own controlled location. Legally, that's pretty much the same as someone coming to your house and playing your CD player, but not taking the CDs home with them.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
it's already happening.....:)
http://www.mediamaster.com/
but I also think there will be people smart enough to beat the system. us tech guys are smart
what do you mean your ISP changes every 30 mins? you mean your IP address? keep in mind your PC has a MAC address that never changes.
just buy a second hand pc.
At the end of the day though, if they get control of or authority to work with the ISPs, we are all pretty much busted.
You can't hide from the person running the pipe into your front door.
You can lock up your computers "front door" and not let them in to search it ... but if you run out and rob a store and then run back in your house and lock the door with the cops on your trail, does it really matter if you lock them out?
They know who you are and where you live, and they saw you go in there with the goods.
If the fuzz is out there as a peer on a torrent you are active on, and their computer keeps mercilessly attacking your IP address, does it really matter if your computer blocks it?
Doesn't their computer know what's going on?
I dunno.
I'm not that smart with computers,
but it seems like they have you, regardless of if your computer "blocks" the attack.
They may not see the info on your computer, but the only reason their computer is trying to connect to yours is because you are both on the same torrent, right?
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
Hmmm. I copied it to my computer.
Milk
If someone buys a cd, the record store and the label get money. But say they decide to sell it back to the store. Then the store resells, the cd. Now another person is getting access to that music but the label hasn't made anymore money. And say they sell it back and someone else buys it. Now three people have that music but the label only got money for one sale.
How is that different than one person buying the cd and uploading it to the internet?
...evaluate and merge up the range lists.
Even with a very aggressive range exclusion (most of bluetack's and all of PG enabled) I still average 300k-500K inbound using a performance tweaked version of Azureus. You'll want this setup on a dedicated spare PC, not on your production box.
File sharing can't be stopped.
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utorrent is where its at. I average about 1000K
On the subject though, I think it will take twice maybe three times as long to regulate it in the middle east if they manage to do it in the West. Which means I'll just have to travel to my mums place in Lebanon and stock up for the year!
well thats the thing. the internet is a global thing. what scares me are the torrent sites being shut down one by one. I suppose it will come to individual ISP networks doing the dirty work of enforcement.
To a certain degree, it will eventually top out as people will never be willing to not be able to hold the original CD in their hands for what they paid. All the ISP's would have to get involved, if that happens I suppose there will be bigger problems than file sharing. The local internet ion my town is a 9 megabit line it's the fastest home internet available I believe, but I'd have to switch over to cable, and change my email address and spend and extra $10 a month (it costs $52/month), I'm not that impatient over my bandwidth to make the move (yet).
Soon though
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thats the problem. I think ISPs are going to be all too willing to get involved. file sharing does nothing but slow down their networks. I think we are in the golden age of file sharing where its all out there for the taking. i'm afraid that will come to and end sooner rather then later.
A lot of musicians seem to be interested in releasing their music like Radiohead did with their recent album.
Surely if the artist is offering their music for free then it is not illegal to download it from somewhere else. But I am not sure.
Edit: Reminds me of when in an interview a couple of years back Bjork encouraged people to download her album off the internet.
a copy-protected CD is in my book faulty and would go back straight to the shop.
Yah but theres an article about Radiohead's release which said that they made more money out of it by by-passing the record label. All in all they ended up major winners.
Because they did not encure the manufactoring costs. What Radiohead did is what record labels after to embrace. Put the record out there for download and let people pay what they want. A report stated that the average person payed something like $7.00 for the download. Without all the manufactoring costs the records labels and the artist can still make money and the consumer will no longer be paying $20.00 for a new record.
but if ISPs get involved they can certainly put a huge dent in it. block ports, kill websites, etc. Oink was recently shut down. while the concept of file sharing will never go away, I think we are headed towards it being vastly different then we see it today.
Well if the record industry embraces it it will definitely be different, but even with all the crackdowns people will find a way.
i wondered how that worked. i was recently asked to sing (studio work) for a band who said they will be doing internet marketing. the website is called broadjam. we'll see what happens.
the artists don't make as much on the CDs as you may think. every time the song gets played on the radio; the artist gets 1 cent. (this was the price in the early 90's). between studio and production costs; there's not much money left.
As mammasan just said they did not have to pay for the manufacturing costs of the CD. In addition, by not promoting it through a record label it meant every penny of the profit went directly to them (other than the bills they had to pay when it came to downloads). Obviously, since they offered it for free they were relying on the ethics of people and it worked out.