File sharing on the net

jlew24asu

where do you think this is heading? maybe soul (or something in law) can go over the legalities of it but will it be completely stopped over time? if so, who enforces it? Internet is a global thing of sorts with no borders.

there are different forms of sharing too. torrents, file sharing programs like emule, limewire, kazaa, or FTP and so on.

can never be stopped in its entirety.




(I could use a little less 9/11, Isarel, bush, ron paul, muslim, christianity talk )

DriftingByTheStorm

I think that law will eventualy modernize and the ISPs will be allowed or forced to work with law enforcement the RIAA (and other digital rights protection groups) and the courts to seriously curtail illegal downloading.

The number of groups policing the internet (yes, even in torrents) is growing exponentialy ... i've seen the number of attacks on my connections multiply a lot over the last few years ... and it is worse by region and provider ... the DC area, Timewarner Comcast (first hand experience) ...

... I think you will see the RIAA win out eventualy.
They already try to get as much information as they can off the internet, and they are successful in much of their litigation.

It is only a matter of time before they are able to pull off a massive class action and drag hundreds of thousands in for suit ...

... i think once the public sees THAT kind of enforcement, you will see people cutting way back on their illegal consumption, across the board.

Providers are trying desperately to get legal sanction for their ability to monitor and completely control (or censor) all content that passes through their servers.

THAT day could end up being the ultimate destruction of "Internet 1".

:(

onelongsong

jlew24asu wrote:

where do you think this is heading? maybe soul (or something in law) can go over the legalities of it but will it be completely stopped over time? if so, who enforces it? Internet is a global thing of sorts with no borders.

there are different forms of sharing too. torrents, file sharing programs like emule, limewire, kazaa, or FTP and so on.

can never be stopped in its entirety.




(I could use a little less 9/11, Isarel, bush, ron paul, muslim, christianity talk )

great topic. some students at asu down the road a piece got busted for downloading music recently. they used the school computer so it was easy to trace. my ISP changes every 30 minutes so they'd have to catch me in the act. to date; i've downloaded 5201 songs and i hope like hell they find me. i have between 200 and 250 records; a box of 8 tracks; boxes of cassettes and at least 500 CDs. i want them to bust me because when it goes to court; my defense is that i already purchased the rights to those songs. the RIAA can eat the costs of tracking me down and filing suit.

i don't think they can stop it. in fact; you can email songs from a hotmail account to another hotmail account. the cost of tracking people down (especially those who don't devulge addresses) far outweighs any gains. they bust a few now and then to let us know they're out there but i don't see it going anywhere. it's as silly as me not being able to play a CD for you if you visit my house.

on the other hand; i have XM and when a song i don't have comes on; i hit a button and it records. a court decided that it falls under the "home recording" act which allows you to tape programs from your tele.

Collin

onelongsong wrote:

i have between 200 and 250 records; a box of 8 tracks; boxes of cassettes and at least 500 CDs. i want them to bust me because when it goes to court; my defense is that i already purchased the rights to those songs. the RIAA can eat the costs of tracking me down and filing suit.

I recently bought a Kings of Leon album and it's protected against copying. I can't put the music on my computer and that sucks because I want it on my mp3 player. So now I'll have to download the album, but first I'll need to get a file sharing programme.

onelongsong

Collin wrote:

I recently bought a Kings of Leon album and it's protected against copying. I can't put the music on my computer and that sucks because I want it on my mp3 player. So now I'll have to download the album, but first I'll need to get a file sharing programme.

the LP is copywritten against copying and selling or public broadcast. when you buy the LP; you buy the rights to use that music for personal use and you can copy it to any media you want; as long as it's for personal use.
you can check with a lawyer but i already have.
btw; my fav song on that LP is the bucket

Collin

onelongsong wrote:

the LP is copywritten against copying and selling or public broadcast. when you buy the LP; you buy the rights to use that music for personal use and you can copy it to any media you want; as long as it's for personal use.
you can check with a lawyer but i already have.
btw; my fav song on that LP is the bucket

Yeah, I know... but I can't copy the music to my computer.

Day Old Blues

Vedderlution_Baby

Collin wrote:

I recently bought a Kings of Leon album and it's protected against copying. I can't put the music on my computer and that sucks because I want it on my mp3 player. So now I'll have to download the album, but first I'll need to get a file sharing programme.

OLS is actually right on this one. Back when I used to use emulators and play SNES ROMs there was always a legal disclaimer saying that you could only download and play the ROMs if you already owned the cartridge of the ROM you were downloading. It'd be the same for music. I've got Ten but its scratched to hell so I'm gonna download it and burn it to cd. (I've actually got two copies...I just suck at taking care of my CDs.)

know1

jlew24asu wrote:

where do you think this is heading? maybe soul (or something in law) can go over the legalities of it but will it be completely stopped over time? if so, who enforces it? Internet is a global thing of sorts with no borders.

there are different forms of sharing too. torrents, file sharing programs like emule, limewire, kazaa, or FTP and so on.

can never be stopped in its entirety.




(I could use a little less 9/11, Isarel, bush, ron paul, muslim, christianity talk )

It will not be stopped. Technology will keep surpassing the forces trying to stop it.

One thing that I see happening as bandwidth increases is that people will not actually give other people the file, but rather let them play/open the file from their own controlled location. Legally, that's pretty much the same as someone coming to your house and playing your CD player, but not taking the CDs home with them.

norm

know1 wrote:

It will not be stopped. Technology will keep surpassing the forces trying to stop it.

One thing that I see happening as bandwidth increases is that people will not actually give other people the file, but rather let them play/open the file from their own controlled location. Legally, that's pretty much the same as someone coming to your house and playing your CD player, but not taking the CDs home with them.

it's already happening.....:)

http://www.mediamaster.com/

jlew24asu

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I think that law will eventualy modernize and the ISPs will be allowed or forced to work with law enforcement the RIAA (and other digital rights protection groups) and the courts to seriously curtail illegal downloading.

The number of groups policing the internet (yes, even in torrents) is growing exponentialy ... i've seen the number of attacks on my connections multiply a lot over the last few years ... and it is worse by region and provider ... the DC area, Timewarner Comcast (first hand experience) ...

... I think you will see the RIAA win out eventualy.
They already try to get as much information as they can off the internet, and they are successful in much of their litigation.

It is only a matter of time before they are able to pull off a massive class action and drag hundreds of thousands in for suit ...

... i think once the public sees THAT kind of enforcement, you will see people cutting way back on their illegal consumption, across the board.

Providers are trying desperately to get legal sanction for their ability to monitor and completely control (or censor) all content that passes through their servers.

THAT day could end up being the ultimate destruction of "Internet 1".

:(

sadly, I think you're right. the one last "free" space will be locked down. I can say I blame them though. I (we) can steal just about anything on the net. pretty much any software program ever written or music or movies. its ALL out there. ah well.

but I also think there will be people smart enough to beat the system. us tech guys are smart it will be interesting to see how technology/security/enforcement all plays out over the years to come.

jlew24asu

onelongsong wrote:

great topic. some students at asu down the road a piece got busted for downloading music recently. they used the school computer so it was easy to trace. my ISP changes every 30 minutes so they'd have to catch me in the act. to date; i've downloaded 5201 songs and i hope like hell they find me. i have between 200 and 250 records; a box of 8 tracks; boxes of cassettes and at least 500 CDs. i want them to bust me because when it goes to court; my defense is that i already purchased the rights to those songs. the RIAA can eat the costs of tracking me down and filing suit.

i don't think they can stop it. in fact; you can email songs from a hotmail account to another hotmail account. the cost of tracking people down (especially those who don't devulge addresses) far outweighs any gains. they bust a few now and then to let us know they're out there but i don't see it going anywhere. it's as silly as me not being able to play a CD for you if you visit my house.

on the other hand; i have XM and when a song i don't have comes on; i hit a button and it records. a court decided that it falls under the "home recording" act which allows you to tape programs from your tele.

what do you mean your ISP changes every 30 mins? you mean your IP address? keep in mind your PC has a MAC address that never changes.

DriftingByTheStorm

jlew24asu wrote:

what do you mean your ISP changes every 30 mins? you mean your IP address? keep in mind your PC has a MAC address that never changes.

just buy a second hand pc.



At the end of the day though, if they get control of or authority to work with the ISPs, we are all pretty much busted.

You can't hide from the person running the pipe into your front door.

You can lock up your computers "front door" and not let them in to search it ... but if you run out and rob a store and then run back in your house and lock the door with the cops on your trail, does it really matter if you lock them out?

They know who you are and where you live, and they saw you go in there with the goods.

If the fuzz is out there as a peer on a torrent you are active on, and their computer keeps mercilessly attacking your IP address, does it really matter if your computer blocks it?

Doesn't their computer know what's going on?

I dunno.
I'm not that smart with computers,
but it seems like they have you, regardless of if your computer "blocks" the attack.

They may not see the info on your computer, but the only reason their computer is trying to connect to yours is because you are both on the same torrent, right?

UH?

South of Seattle

Collin wrote:

Yeah, I know... but I can't copy the music to my computer.

Day Old Blues

Hmmm. I copied it to my computer.

Milk

dontloseyourheat

Something that's been on my mind lately: If sharing files over the internet is illegal, why is it legal to buy and sell used cd's?

If someone buys a cd, the record store and the label get money. But say they decide to sell it back to the store. Then the store resells, the cd. Now another person is getting access to that music but the label hasn't made anymore money. And say they sell it back and someone else buys it. Now three people have that music but the label only got money for one sale.
How is that different than one person buying the cd and uploading it to the internet?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Peer Guardian 2, and BISS

...evaluate and merge up the range lists.

Even with a very aggressive range exclusion (most of bluetack's and all of PG enabled) I still average 300k-500K inbound using a performance tweaked version of Azureus. You'll want this setup on a dedicated spare PC, not on your production box.

File sharing can't be stopped.

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Peer Guardian 2, and BISS

...evaluate and merge up the range lists.

Even with a very aggressive range exclusion (most of bluetack's and all of PG enabled) I still average 300k-500K inbound using a performance tweaked version of Azureus. You'll want this setup on a dedicated spare PC, not on your production box.

File sharing can't be stopped.

utorrent is where its at. I average about 1000K file sharing can be stopped though, to a certain degree. which sucks

NoK

9/11, Israel, bush, ron paul, muslim, christianity! Sorry had to do it.

On the subject though, I think it will take twice maybe three times as long to regulate it in the middle east if they manage to do it in the West. Which means I'll just have to travel to my mums place in Lebanon and stock up for the year!

jlew24asu

NoK wrote:

9/11, Israel, bush, ron paul, muslim, christianity! Sorry had to do it.

On the subject though, I think it will take twice maybe three times as long to regulate it in the middle east if they manage to do it in the West. Which means I'll just have to travel to my mums place in Lebanon and stock up for the year!

well thats the thing. the internet is a global thing. what scares me are the torrent sites being shut down one by one. I suppose it will come to individual ISP networks doing the dirty work of enforcement.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

utorrent is where its at. I average about 1000K file sharing can be stopped though, to a certain degree. which sucks

To a certain degree, it will eventually top out as people will never be willing to not be able to hold the original CD in their hands for what they paid. All the ISP's would have to get involved, if that happens I suppose there will be bigger problems than file sharing. The local internet ion my town is a 9 megabit line it's the fastest home internet available I believe, but I'd have to switch over to cable, and change my email address and spend and extra $10 a month (it costs $52/month), I'm not that impatient over my bandwidth to make the move (yet).

Soon though

even flow?

Buy the albums you cheap pricks!

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

To a certain degree, it will eventually top out as people will never be willing to not be able to hold the original CD in their hands for what they paid. All the ISP's would have to get involved, if that happens I suppose there will be bigger problems than file sharing. The local internet ion my town is a 9 megabit line it's the fastest home internet available I believe, but I'd have to switch over to cable, and change my email address and spend and extra $10 a month (it costs $52/month), I'm not that impatient over my bandwidth to make the move (yet).

Soon though

thats the problem. I think ISPs are going to be all too willing to get involved. file sharing does nothing but slow down their networks. I think we are in the golden age of file sharing where its all out there for the taking. i'm afraid that will come to and end sooner rather then later.