so what did you think of the Bush speech today

jlew24asu

trying to spread the message for freedom seems like a good thing to me.

"to fight radicalism and terror with justice and dignity, to achieve a true peace, founded on human freedom."



http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/09/20040921-3.html

brain of c

i think every time he speaks, an angel's wings fall off.

thankyougrandma

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

crittables

brain of c wrote:

i think every time he speaks, an angel's wings fall off.

that's awesome

i only watched a few minutes but i got nothing new from it

jlew24asu

thankyougrandma wrote:

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I wonder where you got that idea from........

Drowned Out

"to fight radicalism – read: muslims

and terror – read: and anyone who’s against us

with justice – read: using gitmo and secret prisons worldwide to contain people who have not been charged with any crime.

and dignity – read: and pissing on, beating, stripping and humiliating said prisoners

to achieve a true peace – read: to achieve peace on our terms

founded on human freedom – read: founded on illegally bombing countries into submission.

Other than that….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

thankyougrandma

jlew24asu wrote:

I wonder where you got that idea from........

i had to do it .....

RockinInCanada

Well when Bush actually starts to live by "justice & dignity" I may actually listen to something he has to say......

jlew24asu

Drowned Out wrote:

"to fight radicalism – read: muslims

and terror – read: and anyone who’s against us

you mean radical muslims. and anyone who is against freedom.

jlew24asu

thankyougrandma wrote:

i had to do it .....

well played my friend

WMA

I'm getting sick of his fear tactics.

Any decent leader would try to quell the peoples fears rather than heighten them in the name of politics I believe.

Rather than prompting us to imagine how we'd feel if our families were dead he could explain that we have more of a chance of slipping in our showers and breaking our necks, getting hit by lightening, or winning the lottery then being the victim of a terror attack. "So don't live in fear"

"vote this way or your family will die" is disgusting politics.

RockinInCanada

WMA wrote:

I'm getting sick of his fear tactics.

Any decent leader would try to quell the peoples fears rather than highten them in the name of politics I believe.

Rather than prompting us to imagine how we'd feel if our families were dead he could explain that we have more of a chance of slipping in our showers and breaking our necks, getting hit by lightening, or winning the lottery then being the victim of a terror attack. "So don't live in fear"

"vote this way or your family will die" is disgusting politics.

Well it has come to the point that he will not change his fear mongering...I think it is time for people to stop buying into his BS.....

Pickr

It's the same shit every time....gettin boring

RockinInCanada

Pickr wrote:

It's the same shit every time....gettin boring

I still cannot believe people buy into his "fear" hype.....

Drowned Out

jlew24asu wrote:

you mean radical muslims. and anyone who is against freedom.

Seems to me they've killed one or two non-radical muslims.

Against freedom....ha....has it occurred to you that most of the people being bombed want nothing more than freedom from bombs, invading armies/indefinite occupation, kidnappings, puppet gov’ts and imposed culture? I highly doubt anyone is against freedom…except maybe a few extremists hoping to gain power (same as the US – but no terrorists there ).

Glad to see you agree with the rest tho.

jlew24asu

Drowned Out wrote:

I highly doubt anyone is against freedom…except maybe a few extremists hoping to gain power (same as the US – but no terrorists there ).

Glad to see you agree with the rest tho.

a few extremists? lets try every dictatorship in the middle east. there is not one free country in the middle east. most of them are run by extremists who only believe in a strict interpertaion of the koran. thankfully a few mideast countries have tried new things like bush mentioned, giving some people more freedoms.

and the US is not trying to gain power. are we raising the flag and calling it ours? no, we intend to leave.


and I dont agree with everything else you said.

jlew24asu

Drowned Out wrote:

" with justice – read: using gitmo and secret prisons worldwide to contain people who have not been charged with any crime.

and dignity – read: and pissing on, beating, stripping and humiliating said prisoners

to achieve a true peace – read: to achieve peace on our terms

founded on human freedom – read: founded on illegally bombing countries into submission.

Other than that….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

with justice read: they are criminals of war on terror. they are not allowed the same freedoms as criminals of war. geneva convention rights are only given to those who fight with a uniform for a country. terrorists do not. they should be tried in military courts. and never ever ever ever under any circumstances should USA use torture.

and dignity read: it was an admitted horrible mistake by so young soliders who have since ben sent to prison. you make it sound like its americas policy to do that.

RockinInCanada

jlew24asu wrote:

a few extremists? lets try every dictatorship in the middle east. there is not one free country in the middle east. most of them are run by extremists who only believe in a strict interpertaion of the koran. thankfully a few mideast countries have tried new things like bush mentioned, giving some people more freedoms.

and the US is not trying to gain power. are we raising the flag and calling it ours? no, we intend to leave.


and I dont agree with everything else you said.

I love Saudi Arabia's human rights....women is having a baby...baby is breeched coming out...what do they do...drop her and the newborn out in the middle of desert to die...true story from a medic who worked with the royal family....he also said public beheadings were common.....my point is I really wish Bush would apply his distorted logic to other countries in the region regardless if they are a "friend" or not.....to me that shows how uncredible his cause really is.....and furthers my belief in his alterior agenda

Cosmo

jlew24asu wrote:

with justice read: they are criminals of war on terror. they are not allowed the same freedoms as criminals of war. geneva convention rights are only given to those who fight with a uniform for a country. terrorists do not. they should be tried in military courts. and never ever ever ever under any circumstances should USA use torture.

and dignity read: it was an admitted horrible mistake by so young soliders who have since ben sent to prison. you make it sound like its americas policy to do that.

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If you dispise the torture and death of our soldiers captured by the enemy... then you do not prescribe to that same doctrine.
If you accept the methods of torture to get what you wants or need in this 'War On Terror', then you are telling the other side, it is okay for them to do the same thing to our guys.
If you believe that they will torture and kill our guys anyway, so it's okay to do the same to theirs... you are validating their tactics and methods and essentially becoming the same type of person they are.

LBC1076

I think that the United States is practicing in the ultimate of hypocracies, they are trying to stop radical Islamists from imposing their beliefs on others, by trying to impose their beliefs on others.


Where is the logic in that? Just because the sytem, albeit flawed, as mostly worked in favor of the US, why does the US feel that will definitely everywhere else without fail?


Sidenote, the Iranian president will be speaking to the UN General Assembly within the hour, Ahmadinejad's going live in primetime.

Open

jlew24asu wrote:

trying to spread the message for freedom seems like a good thing to me.

"to fight radicalism and terror with justice and dignity, to achieve a true peace, founded on human freedom."



http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/09/20040921-3.html

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