And Obama has what government experience? Seriously in his three years in the Senate what has he done besides launch a presidential campaign?
Has there been any bills he pushed through? Has he reached out to work with the other party? He's missed over 80% of votes in the Senate since September. I'm so glad we still pay his salary while he campaigns for a better job.
What evidence do you have that Obama would do anything to unite the two parties?
Romney is a fairly liberal republican who accomplished his agenda in an overwhelmingly liberal state. That to me is evidence that if he were president that maybe the two sides would actually start trying to work together.
really though? I know you think rp's is the only savior for our economy but there is more then one way to fix a broken car ya know. I still dont know, there isnt an electable candidate I like yet but his business experience is something to look at.
My biggest complaint is the blatant fallacy in "balancing the budget" at this point, and the deliberate ignorance (and ignoring) of entitlement insolvency ... the failure to address the fundamental problem that US Gov Assets do NOT equal Liabilities is a BIG problem from my POV,
and i'd like a president who does more than just sweep it all under the rug with more foot notes and accounting gimmicks. "Look Ma! I balanced the budget. Har Har!"
How much longer is THAT trick gonna work?
But like i said,
if thats your cup of tea ... Romney is your man.
He IS the "magic man" ... now you see it ... now you don't ... POOF ... wave his little magic Wall St. wand.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
My biggest complaint is the blatant fallacy in "balancing the budget" at this point, and the deliberate ignorance (and ignoring) of entitlement insolvency ... the failure to address the fundamental problem that US Gov Assets do NOT equal Liabilities is a BIG problem from my POV,
and i'd like a president who does more than just sweep it all under the rug with more foot notes and accounting gimmicks. "Look Ma! I balanced the budget. Har Har!"
How much longer is THAT trick gonna work?
But like i said,
if thats your cup of tea ... Romney is your man.
He IS the "magic man" ... now you see it ... now you don't ... POOF ... wave his little magic Wall St. wand.
I just dont see where you are getting this from. balancing the budget can be possible without sweeping it under the rug....whatever that means.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Romney is a fairly liberal republican who accomplished his agenda in an overwhelmingly liberal state. That to me is evidence that if he were president that maybe the two sides would actually start trying to work together.
I think this is what concerns me. He WAS a fairly liberal republican (socially liberal) when he 'ran' an overwhelmingly liberal state. Now that he is running for president in the republican party, he changed his tune on, at least three issues that I can think of right now, abortion, gay marriage, and gun control. I can appreciate the 'well, after some thought, I was wrong on these issues' argument, but it seems his timing is suspicious. In the debates I've seen, he hasn't really stood out to me and, actually has fallen short, imo. I felt almost bad for him when McCain schooled him on the waterboarding issue during the YouTube debate.
On a positive side, he has really good hair.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
4 years less than Hillary Clinton, but then again he had 7 years in the Illinois Senate which means he has more government experience than her. Being First Lady doesn't count for anything. Now he has the same experience as John Edwards does in the US Senate. Being out of the Senate for 4 years doesn't give Edwards more experience like he would like you to believe.
Has there been any bills he pushed through? Has he reached out to work with the other party? He's missed over 80% of votes in the Senate since September. I'm so glad we still pay his salary while he campaigns for a better job.
He co-sponsored legislation w/ Senator Feingold to ban gifts from lobbyists, co-sponsored legislation w/ Sen. McCain on a climate change bill to eliminate green house emissions by 2/3, and was the sponsor of the SCHIP that was vetoes by the President.
What evidence do you have that Obama would do anything to unite the two parties?
I guess Independents voting in a Democratic primary and Republicans switching over to vote Democrat shows how he can get the support of the other side of the aisle. He has also co-sponsored legislation w/ John McCain and Chuck Hagel. Meeting in the middle with two of the most well known Republicans shows that he can work with both side. I also have personal experience and remember him working very will with Republicans in the Illinois Senate.
I just dont see where you are getting this from. balancing the budget can be possible without sweeping it under the rug....whatever that means.
Having taken advanced AND government\Non Profit Accounting courses, (don't make me drag out the books. please. not the books!)
i can tell you that what the government currently calls "accounting" is really anything but.
Thier rules are set up such that anything they WANT to classify as a liability on their books gets put there ... but their overly-lax rules let them pick and choose trillions of dollars to EXCLUDE FROM THE BOOKS ... and include IN FOOT NOTE ONLY ...
I get so sick of the "Yeah, but its in a foot note!" argument.
Look at it this way.
Accounting is an EQUATION. If a piece is missing from the equation, there is a problem ... a SOLVENCY problem.
What if Einstein had written
" E=MC^2 "
as
" E=M " *
*Please note, in the above equation i have written Energy equals Mass. Understand that Mass is actually multiplied by the squared speed of light, but i did not included this in the equation, because i didn't find it to be that important. If you are interested, i explain it more in this footnote.
:rolleyes:
That is how the government treats the accounting equation, Assets = Liabilities.
They throw 2\3rds of the right side of the equation in to a footnote or two and call it good accouting. It does not follow GAAP, and it is not solvent. Period.
I remember my jaw dropping the day i learned that in class. I remember the teacher saying something like, "Well that's just the way they do it. It certainly is a contentious issue in some circles." ... Jee. You think?
And that is the tip of the government accounting scandal iceburg.
Grrr.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
The govt can't even trace put options apparently... or did they?
Uh oh... I went there...Oh no...
argh questions....not *those* questions again.
What about the trillions reported missing by Rumsfeld on 9/10/2001?
That's probably quite a footnote, unless I'm mistaken, or way off base in observing the chain of events.
footnotes numbers...just keep spending money. Don't worry...debt is wealth. War is peace...freedom is slavery...
Iran is safe from imminent danger...hehe
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
4 years less than Hillary Clinton, but then again he had 7 years in the Illinois Senate which means he has more government experience than her. Being First Lady doesn't count for anything. Now he has the same experience as John Edwards does in the US Senate. Being out of the Senate for 4 years doesn't give Edwards more experience like he would like you to believe.
He co-sponsored legislation w/ Senator Feingold to ban gifts from lobbyists, co-sponsored legislation w/ Sen. McCain on a climate change bill to eliminate green house emissions by 2/3, and was the sponsor of the SCHIP that was vetoes by the President.
I guess Independents voting in a Democratic primary and Republicans switching over to vote Democrat shows how he can get the support of the other side of the aisle. He has also co-sponsored legislation w/ John McCain and Chuck Hagel. Meeting in the middle with two of the most well known Republicans shows that he can work with both side. I also have personal experience and remember him working very will with Republicans in the Illinois Senate.
Never said that Hillary or Edwards had experience.
I knew about the Feingold bill, but the climate change bill was more of a Lieberman and McCain bill that several senators besides Obama joined in as co-sponsors.
Personally I like Obama much more than Hillary, but this is a Romney thread and I was merely discussing Obama because my2hands brought him up. Maybe because I have spent a bunch of time in Mass when Romney was governor makes me think he would be a better choice, but right now I don't like any of the candidates on either side who are running very much.
Never said that Hillary or Edwards had experience.
I knew about the Feingold bill, but the climate change bill was more of a Lieberman and McCain bill that several senators besides Obama joined in as co-sponsors.
Personally I like Obama much more than Hillary, but this is a Romney thread and I was merely discussing Obama because my2hands brought him up. Maybe because I have spent a bunch of time in Mass when Romney was governor makes me think he would be a better choice, but right now I don't like any of the candidates on either side who are running very much.
I know what you mean. I know I'll get flamed for being "brainwashed" by the media for supporting Obama, but he really sparks something in me that no other candidate has ever done.
I think right now is too important of a time to have a race between 2 candidates who could have easily been in this same position 8 years ago. (Hillary and McCain)
I know what you mean. I know I'll get flamed for being "brainwashed" by the media for supporting Obama, but he really sparks something in me that no other candidate has ever done.
I think right now is too important of a time to have a race between 2 candidates who could have easily been in this same position 8 years ago. (Hillary and McCain)
I can't decide who should be the next American Jesus...Huckabee or Romney...
tough call.
Romney is taller so that's probably the right choice.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yeah, but Jesus lived over 2,000 years ago and people were a lot shorter at that point...
It's the bovine growth formula in the milk. Everyone's getting taller, and Romney also routinely stretches himself on a cross during his s&m dungeon play with his 7 secret wives
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
pro- probably of all of the candidates, rep or dem, he is kind of appealing and looks the most "presidential"
con- he talks a lot and doesn't say anything. here's what he said when asked about the war:
I’m not going to try and define who’s winning and who’s losing. I don’t think we’re making anywhere near as much progress as we had anticipated we would make.
There’s no question the administration was surprised by the fact that after the fall of Saddam Hussein it was a much tougher road than they ever expected. Secretary [Donald] Rumsfeld, as you recall, said we’re just sweeping up a few dead-enders. Well, it turned out to be a lot more than that. We had insufficient troops in place. We had insufficient plans. We did not have the appropriate rules of engagement in place. Obviously, there were management lapses—events such as Abu Ghraib make that clear. For all those reasons, we did less than the entirely effective job that we would have hoped to be able to do. And as a result, we’re in a difficult position right now.
But to assess whether we’re making progress or not, I would presume we’re making progress, but certainly not at the rate we were hoping to make progress and, in some respects, that is disappointing.
did he actually say anything? are you intoxicated with confidence?
my feeling about mitt is that he'll tiptoe and not commit to anything until he's elected then he'll do whatever he thinks he can get away with based on his constiuency.
any pros/cons on his policies? I would hope these actually matter this year right?
I can't really say. None of the mainstream candidates can be believed, they only say what their base wants to hear. Hillary, Romney, Guilliani etc. just feed their supporters and the media the lines that they believe will help them get elected. Once in office they will forget all those promises and stump speeches and simply cater to the people/corporations that funded their assent to the Oval office.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I can't really say. None of the mainstream candidates can be believed, they only say what their base wants to hear. Hillary, Romney, Guilliani etc. just feed their supporters and the media the lines that they believe will help them get elected. Once in office they will forget all those promises and stump speeches and simply cater to the people/corporations that funded their assent to the Oval office.
Put it this way...Bush was talking like Ron Paul on foreign policy during his campaign run. 27 days after he got elected he was dropping bombs on Iraq with Blair (before 9/11)
If a candidate is already talking war....oh fuck...look out...it's on...
Big time Iran smear campaign coming relentless stye
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Put it this way...Bush was talking like Ron Paul on foreign policy during his campaign run. 27 days after he got elected he was dropping bombs on Iraq with Blair (before 9/11)
If a candidate is already talking war....oh fuck...look out...it's on...
Big time Iran smear campaign coming relentless stye
Well how are we supposed to declare needless war for profit without a boogie man to scare the ignorant public.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I can't really say. None of the mainstream candidates can be believed, they only say what their base wants to hear. Hillary, Romney, Guilliani etc. just feed their supporters and the media the lines that they believe will help them get elected. Once in office they will forget all those promises and stump speeches and simply cater to the people/corporations that funded their assent to the Oval office.
That may be fine but Romney doesn't seem to want to change the status quote. His foreign policy seems to be right in line with the current and previous administrations. This also pertains to his domestic fiscal policy. The man would just be the same d shit with a different face.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Well how are we supposed to declare needless war for profit without a boogie man to scare the ignorant public.
Uhhhhhhhhhhh.....subliminal advertising during commercials?
Oh wait, they disproved that in the 50's at drive in theaters (I think) or they made it illegal or something...
Agreed. Boogeyman is the way to go.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
That may be fine but Romney doesn't seem to want to change the status quote. His foreign policy seems to be right in line with the current and previous administrations. This also pertains to his domestic fiscal policy. The man would just be the same d shit with a different face.
I think he would actually curb spending somewhat, as an actual fiscal conservative. He worked wonders with the deficit in Mass.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
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still curious why you would move to canada if he is elected. seems rather extreme.
And Obama has what government experience? Seriously in his three years in the Senate what has he done besides launch a presidential campaign?
Has there been any bills he pushed through? Has he reached out to work with the other party? He's missed over 80% of votes in the Senate since September. I'm so glad we still pay his salary while he campaigns for a better job.
What evidence do you have that Obama would do anything to unite the two parties?
Romney is a fairly liberal republican who accomplished his agenda in an overwhelmingly liberal state. That to me is evidence that if he were president that maybe the two sides would actually start trying to work together.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
My biggest complaint is the blatant fallacy in "balancing the budget" at this point, and the deliberate ignorance (and ignoring) of entitlement insolvency ... the failure to address the fundamental problem that US Gov Assets do NOT equal Liabilities is a BIG problem from my POV,
and i'd like a president who does more than just sweep it all under the rug with more foot notes and accounting gimmicks. "Look Ma! I balanced the budget. Har Har!"
How much longer is THAT trick gonna work?
But like i said,
if thats your cup of tea ... Romney is your man.
He IS the "magic man" ... now you see it ... now you don't ... POOF ... wave his little magic Wall St. wand.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I just dont see where you are getting this from. balancing the budget can be possible without sweeping it under the rug....whatever that means.
.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I think this is what concerns me. He WAS a fairly liberal republican (socially liberal) when he 'ran' an overwhelmingly liberal state. Now that he is running for president in the republican party, he changed his tune on, at least three issues that I can think of right now, abortion, gay marriage, and gun control. I can appreciate the 'well, after some thought, I was wrong on these issues' argument, but it seems his timing is suspicious. In the debates I've seen, he hasn't really stood out to me and, actually has fallen short, imo. I felt almost bad for him when McCain schooled him on the waterboarding issue during the YouTube debate.
On a positive side, he has really good hair.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
He co-sponsored legislation w/ Senator Feingold to ban gifts from lobbyists, co-sponsored legislation w/ Sen. McCain on a climate change bill to eliminate green house emissions by 2/3, and was the sponsor of the SCHIP that was vetoes by the President.
I guess Independents voting in a Democratic primary and Republicans switching over to vote Democrat shows how he can get the support of the other side of the aisle. He has also co-sponsored legislation w/ John McCain and Chuck Hagel. Meeting in the middle with two of the most well known Republicans shows that he can work with both side. I also have personal experience and remember him working very will with Republicans in the Illinois Senate.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Having taken advanced AND government\Non Profit Accounting courses, (don't make me drag out the books. please. not the books!)
i can tell you that what the government currently calls "accounting" is really anything but.
Thier rules are set up such that anything they WANT to classify as a liability on their books gets put there ... but their overly-lax rules let them pick and choose trillions of dollars to EXCLUDE FROM THE BOOKS ... and include IN FOOT NOTE ONLY ...
I get so sick of the "Yeah, but its in a foot note!" argument.
Look at it this way.
Accounting is an EQUATION. If a piece is missing from the equation, there is a problem ... a SOLVENCY problem.
What if Einstein had written
" E=MC^2 "
as
" E=M " *
*Please note, in the above equation i have written Energy equals Mass. Understand that Mass is actually multiplied by the squared speed of light, but i did not included this in the equation, because i didn't find it to be that important. If you are interested, i explain it more in this footnote.
:rolleyes:
That is how the government treats the accounting equation, Assets = Liabilities.
They throw 2\3rds of the right side of the equation in to a footnote or two and call it good accouting. It does not follow GAAP, and it is not solvent. Period.
I remember my jaw dropping the day i learned that in class. I remember the teacher saying something like, "Well that's just the way they do it. It certainly is a contentious issue in some circles." ... Jee. You think?
And that is the tip of the government accounting scandal iceburg.
Grrr.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Uh oh... I went there...Oh no...
argh questions....not *those* questions again.
What about the trillions reported missing by Rumsfeld on 9/10/2001?
That's probably quite a footnote, unless I'm mistaken, or way off base in observing the chain of events.
footnotes numbers...just keep spending money. Don't worry...debt is wealth. War is peace...freedom is slavery...
Iran is safe from imminent danger...hehe
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Never said that Hillary or Edwards had experience.
I knew about the Feingold bill, but the climate change bill was more of a Lieberman and McCain bill that several senators besides Obama joined in as co-sponsors.
Personally I like Obama much more than Hillary, but this is a Romney thread and I was merely discussing Obama because my2hands brought him up. Maybe because I have spent a bunch of time in Mass when Romney was governor makes me think he would be a better choice, but right now I don't like any of the candidates on either side who are running very much.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
I know what you mean. I know I'll get flamed for being "brainwashed" by the media for supporting Obama, but he really sparks something in me that no other candidate has ever done.
I think right now is too important of a time to have a race between 2 candidates who could have easily been in this same position 8 years ago. (Hillary and McCain)
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
fall in line lemming!
Must...support...Ron...Paul...doom...and...gloom...Ron...Paul...is...love
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
tough call.
Romney is taller so that's probably the right choice.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Yeah, but Jesus lived over 2,000 years ago and people were a lot shorter at that point...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
It's the bovine growth formula in the milk. Everyone's getting taller, and Romney also routinely stretches himself on a cross during his s&m dungeon play with his 7 secret wives
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
romney seems to have kept religion out of his speeches from what I can tell. i could be wrong though. huckabee is 10x worse
con- he talks a lot and doesn't say anything. here's what he said when asked about the war:
I’m not going to try and define who’s winning and who’s losing. I don’t think we’re making anywhere near as much progress as we had anticipated we would make.
There’s no question the administration was surprised by the fact that after the fall of Saddam Hussein it was a much tougher road than they ever expected. Secretary [Donald] Rumsfeld, as you recall, said we’re just sweeping up a few dead-enders. Well, it turned out to be a lot more than that. We had insufficient troops in place. We had insufficient plans. We did not have the appropriate rules of engagement in place. Obviously, there were management lapses—events such as Abu Ghraib make that clear. For all those reasons, we did less than the entirely effective job that we would have hoped to be able to do. And as a result, we’re in a difficult position right now.
But to assess whether we’re making progress or not, I would presume we’re making progress, but certainly not at the rate we were hoping to make progress and, in some respects, that is disappointing.
did he actually say anything? are you intoxicated with confidence?
my feeling about mitt is that he'll tiptoe and not commit to anything until he's elected then he'll do whatever he thinks he can get away with based on his constiuency.
politicians ~used car salesman...so it makes sense.
he definitely smells forest fresh.
thats true. but he's an awfully successful one. he's worth about a quarter of a billion
CONS - He looks like a sleazy used car salesman.
any pros/cons on his policies? I would hope these actually matter this year right?
I can't really say. None of the mainstream candidates can be believed, they only say what their base wants to hear. Hillary, Romney, Guilliani etc. just feed their supporters and the media the lines that they believe will help them get elected. Once in office they will forget all those promises and stump speeches and simply cater to the people/corporations that funded their assent to the Oval office.
Put it this way...Bush was talking like Ron Paul on foreign policy during his campaign run. 27 days after he got elected he was dropping bombs on Iraq with Blair (before 9/11)
If a candidate is already talking war....oh fuck...look out...it's on...
Big time Iran smear campaign coming relentless stye
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Well how are we supposed to declare needless war for profit without a boogie man to scare the ignorant public.
romney funds himself.
That may be fine but Romney doesn't seem to want to change the status quote. His foreign policy seems to be right in line with the current and previous administrations. This also pertains to his domestic fiscal policy. The man would just be the same d shit with a different face.
Uhhhhhhhhhhh.....subliminal advertising during commercials?
Oh wait, they disproved that in the 50's at drive in theaters (I think) or they made it illegal or something...
Agreed. Boogeyman is the way to go.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I think he would actually curb spending somewhat, as an actual fiscal conservative. He worked wonders with the deficit in Mass.
for the least they could possibly do
I'm talking more along the lines of Ron Paul fiscal conservatism. Romney may be better compared to Bush but that doesn't mean he is good enough.