There is a difference between motivation and insulting. "Fat hairy gut" and "tubby" don't seem to be good inspiration for movitation.
That's true. Some overweight people that eat too much go striaght to the fridge when someone mocks them. Picking on them is not motivation.
I was about 40 pounds overweight--and I was getting about an hour of vigorous exercise 6 days a week! I just flat out ate to much. So for my 2003 new years resolution: No pop, no late night eating, no eating all the shit people bring to work (people are amazed I can follow through with this), and a couple of other things. 3.5 years and still at ideal weight. But when I was fat, people mocking me did not help. I don't think it exacerbated things, but it was not helpful.
By the way. When someone with a fat hairy gut loses weight, his stomach remains hairy :(
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
That's true. Some overweight people that eat too much go striaght to the fridge when someone mocks them. Picking on them is not motivation.
I was about 40 pounds overweight--and I was getting about an hour of vigorous exercise 6 days a week! I just flat out ate to much. So for my 2003 new years resolution: No pop, no late night eating, no eating all the shit people bring to work (people are amazed I can follow through with this), and a couple of other things. 3.5 years and still at ideal weight. But when I was fat, people mocking me did not help. I don't think it exacerbated things, but it was not helpful.
By the way. When someone with a fat hairy gut loses weight, his stomach remains hairy :(
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
That "be who you are!" "be true to yourself!" attitude is being applied towards obesity now.
Anyone see Stan Lee's show 'who wants to be a super hero" ?
An obese woman who called herself 'fat momma' and threw donuts at her enemies made it into the final 2.
Being comfortable and proud to be overweight isn't self respect. In fact it's the opposite, it's self-destruction.
Obesity is a terribly unhealthy and disgusting problem and we shouldn't pretend it's something to be tolerated.
The first time someone gets fired for being fat and sues, if he/she wins i'll shoot myself in the leg.
"Yeah you got fired, you weigh 400 pounds, you're disgusting. Your presence grosses people out and you're not trying to do anything about it! You go to McCdonalds for breakfast AND lunch every goddamn day!" ... Once that argument is invalid in court we've lost it.
Interesting points. We almost have to tell the average person to be comfortable with themselves because our popular culture throws chiseled male bodies at us and female bodies that are too thin if anything. Someone in their ideal weight range that does not have a six-pack, should not feel bad--because that person is not unhealthy.
Some people also will be 10 to 20 pounds over weight even if they excercise and eat very well. But these are not really who we are talking about.
Having been fat, and thin, my feeling is that it is not OK to be obese (I was just a few pounds away from obesity when I lost all of the weight). Aside from those few with glandular problems (and they do exist) most who are very overweight are so because of their own lifestyles. I have seen people use cars for trips of less than a block (ok almost two blocks round trip). "Convenience" is not always the right choice. The amount of excercise you need to make your heart healthier is not that much--and not that hard core. All you need to do is walk at a decent pace.
And there is nothing wrong with having a "treat." If fast food is your thing and you eat at McDonalds a couple of times a month, fine. But if you are going there multiple times a week, you are just flat being unhealthy. Ice cream is my thing and I just enjoy it in MUCH more moderation now. This is more than your appearance--it is how long you will live and the quality of your life.
People need to take care of themselves and right now they just don't. And I agree with PJ&T--it is not OK and while we should not point and laugh at people on the street (because it does not help), the message that it is ok should not be sent.
I am not entirely on board with the "firing fat people for being fat is OK" statement. I guess I am not as grossed out by overweight people as PJ and T, but I am in total agreement that being obese is terrible and should not just be accepted the way, say a nose ring should.
I think (though have nothing to back this up with) that some Doctors think that being obese is as bad as being a pack-a-day smoker.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
I don't think we should care that much what other people do. If you want to provide eduaction, that's fine. I think most people know the effects of unhealthy eating.
Is it too much to ask people to mind their own business?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
A hairy belly SHOULD be accepted. It's not my fault it is hairy.
No worries about the health. 3.5 years at ideal weight (makes me a member of a very rare club). It was really easy. Previously, every bad eating choice was just made almost subconciously. Once I decided that "THIS is the reason I am overweight" all I really had to do was be sensible and over a 5 mohth period, I made it to ideal and have remained there.
The advantages I had were a) I ate like a pig. Curtailing that did wonders and b), I excersed like a madman so I already lived at least part of a healthy lifestyle. It was fun though, shocking people at healthclubs with how long and vigorously I could go at 5'7" and 195 pounds. People were blown away.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
I don't think we should care that much what other people do. If you want to provide eduaction, that's fine. I think most people know the effects of unhealthy eating.
Is it too much to ask people to mind their own business?
I'll tell you this. Where I live, the average person is fairly overweight. While that does not offend me, my healthcare is going way up for next year due to the use. Not all of the use was do to obesity (I cannot think of anyone that had a heart attack or anything), but people having heart attacks, strokes, diabetes and even back problems that could have been prevented causes medical insurance to have to skyrocket.
So I see your point. If my coworker that just walked by (25 or 30 pounds overweight, I guess) goes to McDonalds tonight and never excercises again, I should not really care. But if his weight leads to major medical expenses, all of his coworkers (myself included) will pay some of the price.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
I'll tell you this. Where I live, the average person is fairly overweight. While that does not offend me, my healthcare is going way up for next year due to the use. Not all of the use was do to obesity (I cannot think of anyone that had a heart attack or anything), but people having heart attacks, strokes, diabetes and even back problems that could have been prevented causes medical insurance to have to skyrocket.
It's not the polutants we pump into the air by our manufacturing process or the cars we drive causing respiratory problems? Aren't respiratory problems one of the most treated illnesses? Did you know one of the leading causes of illness is Staphylcoccous? One way of fixing a rise in healthcare costs without invading a persons life is to add additional tax to the products, that's what they do with cigarettes and alchohol.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The American Obesity Association commissioned a cost study in 1999 by the Lewin Group, a respected health economics consulting firm. The Lewin Group examined the costs of fifteen (15) conditions causally related to obesity. They included: arthritis, breast cancer, heart disease, colorectal cancer, type 2 diabetes, endometrial cancer, end-stage renal disease, gallbladder disease, hypertension, liver disease, low back pain, renal cell cancer, obstructive sleep apnea, stroke and urinary incontinence. Utilizing the National Health Interview Survey in 1995 and the third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES III) databases, they established prevalence rates of each comorbid condition.
Yea, they usually use "conditions casually related" when performing a cost analysis. In that regard, car accidents caused by a smoker dropping his cigarette, means any deaths as a result, are a result of smoking and not a car accident, right?
obstructive sleep apnea? Ok, I know about this, it runs in my family, it's typically caused by a blockage of the air passage, hence "obstructive". One fix for this is a pillow that has sufficient ventilation, so if you sleep on a down pillow, you breathing is likely to be obstructed and there are specific pillow products for people with obstructive sleep apnea.
Casually related? I'd say so. These must be statistical measurements. In other words, if 80% of people with obstructive sleep apnea are obese, then the correlation is that it obesity contributes to sleep apnea, but what if 80% of the population is obese? Then that correlation means nothing.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I don't think we should care that much what other people do. If you want to provide eduaction, that's fine. I think most people know the effects of unhealthy eating.
Is it too much to ask people to mind their own business?
thankfully you dont live in my country. but if you did I dont want to have to pay for your health care costs when you have a heart attack becuase you eat too many fried chickens
thankfully you dont live in my country. but if you did I dont want to have to pay for your health care costs when you have a heart attack becuase you eat too many fried chickens
You only get to die once.
When I have heart attack and die instantly, you don't have to pay for anything.
When you are old and cripple, wearing a diaper and shitting on your PSW, it's going to cost a lot more. Someone will have to pay for all your diapers, the room in the old age home, the PSWs, the food you will eat, etc..
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
When I have heart attack and die instantly, you don't have to pay for anything.
When you are old and cripple, wearing a diaper and shitting on your PSW, it's going to cost a lot more. Someone will have to pay for all your diapers, the room in the old age home, the PSWs, the food you will eat, etc..
yea my family will. taxpayers wont be charged a dime. unluckily for you and the rest of us, obesity is a slow costly death with many doctor visits inbetween. hows the gravy and french fries?
yea my family will. taxpayers wont be charged a dime. unluckily for you and the rest of us, obesity is a slow costly death with many doctor visits inbetween. hows the gravy and french fries?
I actually changed my mind about the fries and gravy, I normally only have them once a week and that was yesterday. I think I'm going to be ordering a clubhouse. It's usually pretty good too, although sometimes they don't toast the bread as much as I like and sometimes they put mayonaise on it which I'm not really a fan of it, I always ask for no mayo, but they can only be perfect 80% of the time.
I also have to disagree that obesity is a slow costly death, mainly because obesity is a condition not a cause of death. It may contribute to the cause of death, such as heart disease, and according to that link I posted, obesity only accounts for 30% of the cost.
I don't know how much you pay in taxes, but 60% of every dollar I spend goes towards taxes. I more than pay for the small amount it will cost for my heart surgery.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Then why don't you just imprison anyone caught eating over 2,000 calories a day? Better yet, why not just ban personal food purchases and issue MREs to the population?
we're talking children here, not adults. when i was a child, we didn't have vending machines in the cafeteria. we either brought lunch, or bought the school lunch, and sure there were some snack options...but not unlimited access to junk in a vending machine.
parents absolutely should be teaching their children proper nutrition, providing healthy examples, etc. even if a parent does this, if a child has money in his/her pocket...he/she may go and buy more junk food if it is readily aceessible to them, even if their parents do notwant then to, etc. in a school environment i see no necessity to have junk food available to children. you want your kid to be able to eat a snickers bar? great. put it in their lunch, pick one up on the way to school, etc. IN the schools..i don't think children need such around them.
now, for adults...absolutely, it should all be about choice and personal resonsibility. but we are talking schools, children and setting proper examples. easy access to junk food is hardly conducive to any of those things, and personally i think it's a bad thing.
agree, disagree...whatever. it's simply my opinion. i taught for 10 years in an elementary/junior high...and yea, we didn't have vending machines...and no one cried over their non-existance....and our school offered, overall, VERY healthy meals, and sure some junkie snacks, but not a lot...so it encouraged healthy eating and moderation...and yes it was a private school, so evidently, this is what the collective of parents wanted.
Interesting points. We almost have to tell the average person to be comfortable with themselves because our popular culture throws chiseled male bodies at us and female bodies that are too thin if anything. Someone in their ideal weight range that does not have a six-pack, should not feel bad--because that person is not unhealthy.
Some people also will be 10 to 20 pounds over weight even if they excercise and eat very well. But these are not really who we are talking about.
Having been fat, and thin, my feeling is that it is not OK to be obese (I was just a few pounds away from obesity when I lost all of the weight). Aside from those few with glandular problems (and they do exist) most who are very overweight are so because of their own lifestyles. I have seen people use cars for trips of less than a block (ok almost two blocks round trip). "Convenience" is not always the right choice. The amount of excercise you need to make your heart healthier is not that much--and not that hard core. All you need to do is walk at a decent pace.
And there is nothing wrong with having a "treat." If fast food is your thing and you eat at McDonalds a couple of times a month, fine. But if you are going there multiple times a week, you are just flat being unhealthy. Ice cream is my thing and I just enjoy it in MUCH more moderation now. This is more than your appearance--it is how long you will live and the quality of your life.
People need to take care of themselves and right now they just don't. And I agree with PJ&T--it is not OK and while we should not point and laugh at people on the street (because it does not help), the message that it is ok should not be sent.
I am not entirely on board with the "firing fat people for being fat is OK" statement. I guess I am not as grossed out by overweight people as PJ and T, but I am in total agreement that being obese is terrible and should not just be accepted the way, say a nose ring should.
I think (though have nothing to back this up with) that some Doctors think that being obese is as bad as being a pack-a-day smoker.
Well I don't think we should fire obese people I was trying to hint at something that's bound to happen.
Say a spokesperson for some company who's job is to go out and meet or recruit people is obese and not trying to get healthier as i said in the example,.. That'd be a reasonable reason to find someone else for the job.
Anyway I agree with what you're saying.
Being healthy isn't about being cut from stone or having huge bisceps, it's just about being healthy. I think we're honestly putting a dent in this whole obesity thing too. The history books are going to remember 1955 - 2040 as "The American Obesity Epidemic".
It's a step in the right direction. Nothing happens overnight. And this thread has gotten away from the original topic, really. The point was CHILDREN not adults. What adults put into their bellies is their own decision, just like if they smoke or drink. Still bad for their health, but we don't harass them really.
I think the problem with school lunches is that it always comes down to cost. Lower cost = icky food. And no kid is going to eat icky food if there are vending machines around. Makes perfect sense. Shit, I wouldn't! I'd take a Snickers over a awful school lunch anyday.
I think another problem is we've become a nation of instant gratification. We need things super quick. Fast food, prepared dinners, don't want to clean up so we go out to eat. We're lazy! And if you work a full time job, have kids, have a household to take care of, how do you find time for excercise? I think that we need to put more of an emphasis on family time and the importance of cooking/excercising/doing things ourselves, as a family to teach children that its FUN! and not a chore!
Children learn by example and if the parents don't excercise, always are providing "instant" meals and snack that are loaded with sodium, fat and calories - how do they ever change their habits?
And then look at the recent hubub about Models being too thin....skin and bones...teenagers starving themselves to "perfection". We're a nation obsessed with food.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. "
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
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There is a difference between motivation and insulting. "Fat hairy gut" and "tubby" don't seem to be good inspiration for movitation.
would be for me. but then again I'm not obese. I care about my health and appearance
That's true. Some overweight people that eat too much go striaght to the fridge when someone mocks them. Picking on them is not motivation.
I was about 40 pounds overweight--and I was getting about an hour of vigorous exercise 6 days a week! I just flat out ate to much. So for my 2003 new years resolution: No pop, no late night eating, no eating all the shit people bring to work (people are amazed I can follow through with this), and a couple of other things. 3.5 years and still at ideal weight. But when I was fat, people mocking me did not help. I don't think it exacerbated things, but it was not helpful.
By the way. When someone with a fat hairy gut loses weight, his stomach remains hairy :(
good for you congats! I hope you stay healthy.
get some nair for the belly.
You watch too much television.
Interesting points. We almost have to tell the average person to be comfortable with themselves because our popular culture throws chiseled male bodies at us and female bodies that are too thin if anything. Someone in their ideal weight range that does not have a six-pack, should not feel bad--because that person is not unhealthy.
Some people also will be 10 to 20 pounds over weight even if they excercise and eat very well. But these are not really who we are talking about.
Having been fat, and thin, my feeling is that it is not OK to be obese (I was just a few pounds away from obesity when I lost all of the weight). Aside from those few with glandular problems (and they do exist) most who are very overweight are so because of their own lifestyles. I have seen people use cars for trips of less than a block (ok almost two blocks round trip). "Convenience" is not always the right choice. The amount of excercise you need to make your heart healthier is not that much--and not that hard core. All you need to do is walk at a decent pace.
And there is nothing wrong with having a "treat." If fast food is your thing and you eat at McDonalds a couple of times a month, fine. But if you are going there multiple times a week, you are just flat being unhealthy. Ice cream is my thing and I just enjoy it in MUCH more moderation now. This is more than your appearance--it is how long you will live and the quality of your life.
People need to take care of themselves and right now they just don't. And I agree with PJ&T--it is not OK and while we should not point and laugh at people on the street (because it does not help), the message that it is ok should not be sent.
I am not entirely on board with the "firing fat people for being fat is OK" statement. I guess I am not as grossed out by overweight people as PJ and T, but I am in total agreement that being obese is terrible and should not just be accepted the way, say a nose ring should.
I think (though have nothing to back this up with) that some Doctors think that being obese is as bad as being a pack-a-day smoker.
Is it too much to ask people to mind their own business?
A hairy belly SHOULD be accepted. It's not my fault it is hairy.
No worries about the health. 3.5 years at ideal weight (makes me a member of a very rare club). It was really easy. Previously, every bad eating choice was just made almost subconciously. Once I decided that "THIS is the reason I am overweight" all I really had to do was be sensible and over a 5 mohth period, I made it to ideal and have remained there.
The advantages I had were a) I ate like a pig. Curtailing that did wonders and b), I excersed like a madman so I already lived at least part of a healthy lifestyle. It was fun though, shocking people at healthclubs with how long and vigorously I could go at 5'7" and 195 pounds. People were blown away.
I'll tell you this. Where I live, the average person is fairly overweight. While that does not offend me, my healthcare is going way up for next year due to the use. Not all of the use was do to obesity (I cannot think of anyone that had a heart attack or anything), but people having heart attacks, strokes, diabetes and even back problems that could have been prevented causes medical insurance to have to skyrocket.
So I see your point. If my coworker that just walked by (25 or 30 pounds overweight, I guess) goes to McDonalds tonight and never excercises again, I should not really care. But if his weight leads to major medical expenses, all of his coworkers (myself included) will pay some of the price.
It's not the polutants we pump into the air by our manufacturing process or the cars we drive causing respiratory problems? Aren't respiratory problems one of the most treated illnesses? Did you know one of the leading causes of illness is Staphylcoccous? One way of fixing a rise in healthcare costs without invading a persons life is to add additional tax to the products, that's what they do with cigarettes and alchohol.
Yea, they usually use "conditions casually related" when performing a cost analysis. In that regard, car accidents caused by a smoker dropping his cigarette, means any deaths as a result, are a result of smoking and not a car accident, right?
obstructive sleep apnea? Ok, I know about this, it runs in my family, it's typically caused by a blockage of the air passage, hence "obstructive". One fix for this is a pillow that has sufficient ventilation, so if you sleep on a down pillow, you breathing is likely to be obstructed and there are specific pillow products for people with obstructive sleep apnea.
Casually related? I'd say so. These must be statistical measurements. In other words, if 80% of people with obstructive sleep apnea are obese, then the correlation is that it obesity contributes to sleep apnea, but what if 80% of the population is obese? Then that correlation means nothing.
Oh phew - I almost thought it WAS the end of the world as I know it.
um ok
thankfully you dont live in my country. but if you did I dont want to have to pay for your health care costs when you have a heart attack becuase you eat too many fried chickens
You only get to die once.
When I have heart attack and die instantly, you don't have to pay for anything.
When you are old and cripple, wearing a diaper and shitting on your PSW, it's going to cost a lot more. Someone will have to pay for all your diapers, the room in the old age home, the PSWs, the food you will eat, etc..
yea my family will. taxpayers wont be charged a dime. unluckily for you and the rest of us, obesity is a slow costly death with many doctor visits inbetween. hows the gravy and french fries?
I actually changed my mind about the fries and gravy, I normally only have them once a week and that was yesterday. I think I'm going to be ordering a clubhouse. It's usually pretty good too, although sometimes they don't toast the bread as much as I like and sometimes they put mayonaise on it which I'm not really a fan of it, I always ask for no mayo, but they can only be perfect 80% of the time.
I also have to disagree that obesity is a slow costly death, mainly because obesity is a condition not a cause of death. It may contribute to the cause of death, such as heart disease, and according to that link I posted, obesity only accounts for 30% of the cost.
I don't know how much you pay in taxes, but 60% of every dollar I spend goes towards taxes. I more than pay for the small amount it will cost for my heart surgery.
we're talking children here, not adults. when i was a child, we didn't have vending machines in the cafeteria. we either brought lunch, or bought the school lunch, and sure there were some snack options...but not unlimited access to junk in a vending machine.
parents absolutely should be teaching their children proper nutrition, providing healthy examples, etc. even if a parent does this, if a child has money in his/her pocket...he/she may go and buy more junk food if it is readily aceessible to them, even if their parents do notwant then to, etc. in a school environment i see no necessity to have junk food available to children. you want your kid to be able to eat a snickers bar? great. put it in their lunch, pick one up on the way to school, etc. IN the schools..i don't think children need such around them.
now, for adults...absolutely, it should all be about choice and personal resonsibility. but we are talking schools, children and setting proper examples. easy access to junk food is hardly conducive to any of those things, and personally i think it's a bad thing.
agree, disagree...whatever. it's simply my opinion. i taught for 10 years in an elementary/junior high...and yea, we didn't have vending machines...and no one cried over their non-existance....and our school offered, overall, VERY healthy meals, and sure some junkie snacks, but not a lot...so it encouraged healthy eating and moderation...and yes it was a private school, so evidently, this is what the collective of parents wanted.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Say a spokesperson for some company who's job is to go out and meet or recruit people is obese and not trying to get healthier as i said in the example,.. That'd be a reasonable reason to find someone else for the job.
Anyway I agree with what you're saying.
Being healthy isn't about being cut from stone or having huge bisceps, it's just about being healthy. I think we're honestly putting a dent in this whole obesity thing too. The history books are going to remember 1955 - 2040 as "The American Obesity Epidemic".
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I think the problem with school lunches is that it always comes down to cost. Lower cost = icky food. And no kid is going to eat icky food if there are vending machines around. Makes perfect sense. Shit, I wouldn't! I'd take a Snickers over a awful school lunch anyday.
I think another problem is we've become a nation of instant gratification. We need things super quick. Fast food, prepared dinners, don't want to clean up so we go out to eat. We're lazy! And if you work a full time job, have kids, have a household to take care of, how do you find time for excercise? I think that we need to put more of an emphasis on family time and the importance of cooking/excercising/doing things ourselves, as a family to teach children that its FUN! and not a chore!
Children learn by example and if the parents don't excercise, always are providing "instant" meals and snack that are loaded with sodium, fat and calories - how do they ever change their habits?
And then look at the recent hubub about Models being too thin....skin and bones...teenagers starving themselves to "perfection". We're a nation obsessed with food.
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