Bill O'Reilly talking points memo..

RainDog

jlew24asu wrote:

yes I do think its ignorant to completely block out anything he has to say based that he works for fox news and is a right wing fanatic

So you listen to a lot of Al Franken and Keith Olbermann, too? Big Amy Goodman fan?

If you'll allow me to get a little hyperbolic here (you know, like "hyper-liberal" and "far-left zealots"), I'm sure Goebbels made some good points too, back in his day. Is it ignorant to disregard him - not historically speaking, or impact wise, mind you, but his "points"?

jlew24asu

RainDog wrote:

So you listen to a lot of Al Franken and Keith Olbermann, too? Big Amy Goodman fan?

If you'll allow me to get a little hyperbolic here (you know, like "hyper-liberal" and "far-left zealots"), I'm sure Goebbels made some good points too, back in his day. Is it ignorant to disregard him - not historically speaking, or impact wise, mind you, but his "points"?

I do watch olberman. some I agree with, some i dont

RainDog

jlew24asu wrote:

I do watch olberman. some I agree with, some i dont

Well if you're not listening to the other three people I mentioned (Franken, Goodman, and Goebbels) then you must be ignorant, right?

All I'm trying to say is, lot's of people have biased pundits they enjoy listening to. Leaving one off your list because you find his or her style abrasive or offensive, or you realize that the person simply lied so many times they're not worth listening to anymore, is perfectly justifiable and has nothing to do with the person's level of "ignorance." And, again, there's nothing Bill O'Reilly says that can't be found somewhere else - written or spoken by someone who shares O'Reilly's views - that a person might find more to their liking.

jlew24asu

RainDog wrote:

Well if you're not listening to the other three people I mentioned (Franken, Goodman, and Goebbels) then you must be ignorant, right?

All I'm trying to say is, lot's of people have biased pundits they enjoy listening to. Leaving one off your list because you find his or her style abrasive or offensive, or you realize that the person simply lied so many times they're not worth listening to anymore, is perfectly justifiable and has nothing to do with the person's level of "ignorance." And, again, there's nothing Bill O'Reilly says that can't be found somewhere else - written or spoken by someone who shares O'Reilly's views - that a person might find more to their liking.

I dont intentionly not listen to them becuase they are far left liberals. I simply dont have time to listen to everyone who is on tv or radio. I try to listen to as many points of view as I can and not block one out becuase of a certain affilation to a news channel or political party.

RainDog

jlew24asu wrote:

I dont intentionly not listen to them becuase they are far left liberals. I simply dont have time to listen to everyone who is on tv or radio. I try to listen to as many points of view as I can and not block one out becuase of a certain affilation to a news channel or political party.

I agree with you here, you shouldn't block out opinions because of ideology (otherwise, how would you ever figure out the enemy ). But humanlight said that he/she doesn't listen to O'Reilly because he's a pompous jerk - and "pompous jerk" isn't an ideology, it's an attitude.. You called that ignorance; which I took a little umbrage with because I don't listen to O'Reilly, and it's for the same reason. I do, however, pick up quite a few right wing opinions in my personal information mining. So, while it was humanlight you were directing you comment toward, it hit me as well. Kind of like if you overheard someone saying that all Americans are idiotic warmongers or all Pearl Jam fans were outdated dinosaurs.

Of course, I could have missed you're point entirely. You could have been refering to ignorance on a more philosophical level, i.e. that we are all ignorant and admitting that is the first step toward wisdom. If so, I agree whole heartedly.

norm

hippiemom wrote:

People born after the 12th century are disappointed in him for abandoning habeus corpus.

I love that one.:D

The other night I'm driving home from a meeting with a client and I was flipping around the Sirius dial and I saw O'Reilly's show and I immediately went past it. But then I remember my friend saying how every once and a while he will listen to O'Reilly or Rush or whomever so that he can get a sense of what they are up to. So I did the same. I lasted 15 seconds. He started blathering on about how Letterman and Oprah didn't answer his question on how to win in Iraq. Considering he never answered Dave's questions why should Dave answer an unanswerable question. And this was what I was yelling at the radio when RITFW (Uncle Neil's version) came on. And I was at peace again.

To the topic at hand - yes the nation is divided and it's my opinion that the religious right is to blame for this separation. And if you don't like what the repubs or demos have to say, there are many other parties running for the same offices.

trappedinmyradio

you should always play close attention to the other side so you know what battles you are facing on that battlefield...you should be able to argue their points better then them...know where they are coming from so you know why you don't follow that same road...just some advice i got from my father when i was a lot younger...in relation to basketball, but i took it to heart as advice on political divisions as well.

cutback wrote:

I love that one.:D

The other night I'm driving home from a meeting with a client and I was flipping around the Sirius dial and I saw O'Reilly's show and I immediately went past it. But then I remember my friend saying how every once and a while he will listen to O'Reilly or Rush or whomever so that he can get a sense of what they are up to. So I did the same. I lasted 15 seconds. He started blathering on about how Letterman and Oprah didn't answer his question on how to win in Iraq. Considering he never answered Dave's questions why should Dave answer an unanswerable question. And this was what I was yelling at the radio when RITFW (Uncle Neil's version) came on. And I was at peace again.

To the topic at hand - yes the nation is divided and it's my opinion that the religious right is to blame for this separation. And if you don't like what the repubs or demos have to say, there are many other parties running for the same offices.

miller8966

I catch the O'reilly factor every night..its great how he takes people on and vocies his opinion. Though i may not always agree with it, i definetly admire the man, who is without a doubt the most influential man in news.

norm

trappedinmyradio wrote:

you should always play close attention to the other side so you know what battles you are facing on that battlefield...you should be able to argue their points better then them...know where they are coming from so you know why you don't follow that same road...just some advice i got from my father when i was a lot younger...in relation to basketball, but i took it to heart as advice on political divisions as well.

Oh I listen to all sides. But he is just unwatchable. The same with Franken. Their egos have created such pomposity and self-importance that it's impossible to hone in on their thoughts. Hell, I have a tough time watching The Colbert report because he ha done such a great job at mimicking O'Reilly's . . . is "assholeness" a word?:)

trappedinmyradio

cutback wrote:

Oh I listen to all sides. But he is just unwatchable. The same with Franken. Their egos have created such pomposity and self-importance that it's impossible to hone in on their thoughts. Hell, I have a tough time watching The Colbert report because he ha done such a great job at mimicking O'Reilly's . . . is "assholeness" a word?:)

ha...very true...but, o'reilly is the linchpin of the conservative media...

i like assholeishness...ha

Cosmo

I agree with him on these points... America is deeply divided. We have allowed the extremists on each end to wield too much influence and split the country into two seperate camps. We are Red or Blue, Conservative or Liberal, Right or Left, Republican or Democrat and those on the other side have been portrayed as the enemy. If you believe this, then you are part of the problem.
A 'Liberal' is not your enemy. He is simply an American with a different outlook on politics. Your real enemy is in an apartment somewhere trying to figure out how to kill Americans with a dirty bomb, not some guy that thinks President Bush is a tool. The same goes for the opposite view... Conservatives are not the enemy. The political extremist that are stripping you of your Constitutuional Rights are the enemies of America. If the enemies of America 'Hate Our Freedoms', we should not be doing their will by dismantling our freedoms ourselves.
Regarding Iraq... I believe we have pretty much set the course for that place. The 60%+ and growing Shi'ite majority is going to take power over there... that is a given. We pretty much handed Iraq over to Iran, so whether we stay of go, Iraq is going to be a Shi'ite state. Will they be influenced by Iran, who knows? I don't and i don't pretend to know.
I do not believe that our military is at fault, our politicians and leaders and supporters are to blame for the Iraq mess. The military is simply one of the leverage tools we have deployed in order to exact our vision of the New World order in the Middle East. And things in Afghanistan are not a bed of roses. in Iraq, we have placed our soldiers in a shitty situation and need to figureout a way to get them out of there.
Pulling them from Iraq does not mean removing them from the region. Why not set up camp in Afghanistan, where we can still project military influence, without getting entangled in Iraq's internal political/religious fighting?
And i don't know what will happen if we leave... I am certain that the sectarian killings will go on... but, they are ongoing with our guys in the middle of it. Same goes for the terrorists... who knows? We were told in no uncertain terms that the withdrawal of American troops from Viet Nam in 1967 would surely lead to the spread of Communism is Southeast Asia and create a Communist block in that portion of the world that will result is some sort of nuclear exchange in the future. In other words... we don't know what's in the future for Iraq.
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But, yeah... America is a divided nation. We can thank our politicians and our television talking heads for leading us this way... but, we have to blame ourselves for buying into this shit. If you believe that 'Liberals' or 'Conservatives' are the enemy... well, the bottom line is, you're probably an idiot that get his education from the t.v.

norm

Cosmo wrote:

that get his education from the t.v.

America, what a country!! - Yakov Smirnoff

trappedinmyradio

no situation in iraq will ever stop the division between sunni and shia...all we have done is cause a festering boil...when we talk about "why can't we just get along" in this country, we have no way to comphrehend that situation between those two thought paradigms.

moving our military to a strategic area would be good. it would take our soldiers out of harm's way and it would present the cloak or non-meddling in the hot-bed that is iraq. iran might back off of their rhetoric.

i have always wondered why we meddle...we meddle and they hate us and want to kill us...don't meddle, i have to assume, they would at least not hate us...and would leave us to ourselves. but, we meddle. oh well.