but I thought there is no risk of terrorism?

jlew24asu

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

I didn't take that personally either. I was talking in statistical terms, anyway!

im glad you didnt take it personal. didnt mean for it to be. but seriously, I said it because I have a 0% percent chance of someone I know killing me. if I ran into a terrorists with a bomb under his coat on a chicago subway, well my chances might not be so good.

FinsburyParkCarrots

jlew24asu wrote:

im glad you didnt take it personal. didnt mean for it to be. but seriously, I said it because I have a 0% percent chance of someone I know killing me. if I ran into a terrorists with a bomb under his coat on a chicago subway, well my chances might not be so good.

Now, if I was being personal, I'd say "Why's that? Is it because you have no friends?"

But seriously, yes, I get your point. But do you think that's going to happen? And if so, should you let it run your life? Here in the UK there's been different sorts of terrorism, real and imagined, since the Nazi blitz of the forties. People get hardened to it, and say fuck it, if it happens, it happens. That's the way to win any war on terror, to not be terrified.

thankyougrandma

haha... hahahhaha, yeah there's always a threat of some sort, so be scare and lock you up, continue to believe that your govt. military interventions are not contributing at all to this spreading of hate, keep approving all those human rights violations laws and international policies, keep approving those gigantic and stupidly insane military spendings instead of social development spendings, it really protects you from the threatSSSS.

Now try to go talk about your Terraarist problem to someone caught in the middle of a genocide in Darfur, then maybe you'll have your priority set straight...

jlew24asu

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Now, if I was being personal, I'd say "Why's that? Is it because you have no friends?"

But seriously, yes, I get your point. But do you think that's going to happen? And if so, should you let it run your life? Here in the UK there's been different sorts of terrorism, real and imagined, since the Nazi blitz of the forties. People get hardened to it, and say fuck it, if it happens, it happens. That's the way to win any war on terror, to not be terrified.

I think its possible and no I dont let it control my life. Like I said before on here, I travel alot, live in a big city with known targets, etc. people want to argue that I have a better chance of getting hit by a bus then I do dying of a terrorist attack. well if I walk in front of a bus or choke on a grill cheese sandwich, thats my fault. I deserve to die.

one of the responsibilities of the american government is to protect its people from terrorist threats. I hope whatever government is in place does the best job it can doing that.

I do like the hardened approach though. which is what much of america, specifically new york and chicago, have done.

BogoEN

flywallyfly wrote:

all within a few messages....lol.

Exactly what I saw...

aNiMaL

Byrnzie wrote:

The Bush administration was informed by it's top security advisors before the invasion of Iraq that the invasion would result in a significant increase of terrorist activity in the world. Bush invaded anyway.
So we have him and his poodle Blair to thank for the current situation.

And that's my 4000th post!! I am now officially sad!! :eek:

Bingo!

I'm not sure who thought there was no more threat of terrorism....or that it is safer now than it was before we invaded and over threw Iraq.

I have been telling y'all for a long time that there are more terrorist now than before....and this world is less safe because of Bush, not more safe.

I'm not sure how this is shocking to anyone. Except to maybe Bush's neo-con followers who actually believed that Bush was winning the war on terrorism instead of the truth, which is that he has made it worse.

BogoEN

aNiMaL wrote:

Bingo!

I'm not sure who thought there was no more threat of terrorism....or that it is safer now than it was before we invaded and over threw Iraq.

I have been telling y'all for a long time that there are more terrorist now than before....and this world is less safe because of Bush, not more safe.

I'm not sure how this is shocking to anyone. Except to maybe Bush's neo-con followers who actually believed that Bush was winning the war on terrorism instead of the truth, which is that he has made it worse.

Yup.

jlew24asu

aNiMaL wrote:

Bingo!

I'm not sure who thought there was no more threat of terrorism....or that it is safer now than it was before we invaded and over threw Iraq.

I have been telling y'all for a long time that there are more terrorist now than before....and this world is less safe because of Bush, not more safe.

I'm not sure how this is shocking to anyone. Except to maybe Bush's neo-con followers who actually believed that Bush was winning the war on terrorism instead of the truth, which is that he has made it worse.

why does someone have to be a neo con bush follower if they disagree with you?

while im not completely convinced the world is less safe because of bush. for iraq, well obviously. as someone mentioned the threat from el queda has been there before 9/11 and after. difference now is we are fighting them much more aggressively. el queda has been severely damaged since 9/11. there leaders have been caught or on the run. they have no central base of operations and we and our allies are actively fighting them.

jlew24asu

BogoEN wrote:

Exactly what I saw...

then you didnt see carrots responses, keep reading

DPrival78

quick history lesson about terror threats:

“The best political weapon is the weapon of terror.”

-heinrich himmler


"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death".

-adolf hitler


"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

-hermann goering

RockinInCanada

I still cannot believe people think their nation's government is helping win the "war on terror"....fucking stupidest catch phrase in my lifetime...akin to the "war on drugs"...two of biggest wastes of money I have witnessed contributing to making things worse....

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

why does someone have to be a neo con bush follower if they disagree with you?

while im not completely convinced the world is less safe because of bush. for iraq, well obviously. as someone mentioned the threat from el queda has been there before 9/11 and after. difference now is we are fighting them much more aggressively. el queda has been severely damaged since 9/11. there leaders have been caught or on the run. they have no central base of operations and we and our allies are actively fighting them.

and in al quaeda's place we have inspired hundreds of imitators and followers. maybe al-q is having a hard time, but there are plenty of people willing to take their place. and there are more post-invasion than there were before.

Songburst

DPrival78 wrote:

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

-hermann goering

I think that this sums up the US leadership since 9/12. Its too bad that so many people fall for it.

Paint a Picture....

jlew24asu wrote:

just a reminder that terrorism still exsists. you can blame bush and balir all you want, but they are the ones trying to stop these people. there are many islamic terrorists who want to kill as many innocent civillians as possible. the story is on every news site but I posted msnbc so some of you might read it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15646571/


LONDON - British authorities are tracking almost 30 terrorist plots involving 1,600 suspects, the head of Britain’s domestic spy agency said, adding that many of those under surveillance are homegrown terrorists plotting suicide attacks and other mass-casualty bombings.



to my friends in britain, stay safe and alert

Thanks for ur concern JLew, i think we were probably more at risk than this when the threat base came from a few miles away on our own doorstep, we just seemed to get on with it then.

jlew24asu wrote:

while im not completely convinced the world is less safe because of bush. for iraq, well obviously. as someone mentioned the threat from el queda has been there before 9/11 and after. difference now is we are fighting them much more aggressively. el queda has been severely damaged since 9/11. there leaders have been caught or on the run. they have no central base of operations and we and our allies are actively fighting them.

So either :

A- theres a bigger threat now than ever, in which case why is that??

or

B- its exactly the same as it ever was so why bring it up now?

There is a threat and there always will be, from extremists on both sides, urs and theirs JLew.

P.S I do fucking love it when u post, its always like a Ricky Gervais script or something haha.

P.P.S Seriously tho i need to know, your "daddy" is in politics somewhere isnt he??!

Open

jlew24asu wrote:

just a reminder that terrorism still exsists. you can blame bush and balir all you want, but they are the ones trying to stop these people. there are many islamic terrorists who want to kill as many innocent civillians as possible. the story is on every news site but I posted msnbc so some of you might read it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15646571/


LONDON - British authorities are tracking almost 30 terrorist plots involving 1,600 suspects, the head of Britain’s domestic spy agency said, adding that many of those under surveillance are homegrown terrorists plotting suicide attacks and other mass-casualty bombings.



to my friends in britain, stay safe and alert

Do you honestly believe that any actions that we've taken in iraq reduce terrorisim? We create more "terrorists" everday. It's like throwing a stone at a beehive. It's quite simple, anyone who opens their eyes can see it.

jlew24asu

Paint a Picture.... wrote:

Thanks for ur concern JLew, i think we were probably more at risk than this when the threat base came from a few miles away on our own doorstep, we just seemed to get on with it then.



So either :

A- theres a bigger threat now than ever, in which case why is that??

or

B- its exactly the same as it ever was so why bring it up now?

There is a threat and there always will be, from extremists on both sides, urs and theirs JLew.

P.S I do fucking love it when u post, its always like a Ricky Gervais script or something haha.

P.P.S Seriously tho i need to know, your "daddy" is in politics somewhere isnt he??!

my dad died was I was 9. He was hit by a drunk driver while riding his harley. He died 4 days later in the hospital. He was a carpenter. now you know

jlew24asu

Open wrote:

Do you honestly believe that any actions that we've taken in iraq reduce terrorisim? We create more "terrorists" everday. It's like throwing a stone at a beehive. It's quite simple, anyone who opens their eyes can see it.

I bellieve the actions in afgahistan helped reduce terrorism and damaged the el queda network. In Iraq we may have created more, but they seem to stay and fight in Iraq instead of the streets of new york.

Kushikushun

Open wrote:

Do you honestly believe that any actions that we've taken in iraq reduce terrorisim? We create more "terrorists" everday. It's like throwing a stone at a beehive. It's quite simple, anyone who opens their eyes can see it.

I am far more scared of the tension that these kind of politics create than the terrorists themselves. Terrorism wants to creat diversion and the only way to stop it is to try to understand eachother. In this sense terrorism is not only being undertaken by muslims!! We have a simple saying in Dutch that says; where two fight, two are to blame...

On that note, what we can do as individuals is try to get to know eachother better and create an atmosphere of understanding and respect without any presumptions. As a teacher I am blessed with meeting a diversity of kids and I always try to get to know them well. I simply ask them what their motives are behind (for example) wearing a headscarf or a tattoo when your 14 years old. I have great discussions with them and learn something new everyday!

OPEN YOUR MIND!

Kushikushun

p.s. fear creates terror, terror creates aggressiveness...vicious circle.

spiral out

jlew24asu wrote:

nonsense? so you dont think there is a terrorist threat?

We just don't eat up every bit of fear mongering that they try and throw at us here.