I still cannot believe people think their nation's government is helping win the "war on terror"....fucking stupidest catch phrase in my lifetime...akin to the "war on drugs"...two of biggest wastes of money I have witnessed contributing to making things worse....
why does someone have to be a neo con bush follower if they disagree with you?
while im not completely convinced the world is less safe because of bush. for iraq, well obviously. as someone mentioned the threat from el queda has been there before 9/11 and after. difference now is we are fighting them much more aggressively. el queda has been severely damaged since 9/11. there leaders have been caught or on the run. they have no central base of operations and we and our allies are actively fighting them.
and in al quaeda's place we have inspired hundreds of imitators and followers. maybe al-q is having a hard time, but there are plenty of people willing to take their place. and there are more post-invasion than there were before.
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
-hermann goering
I think that this sums up the US leadership since 9/12. Its too bad that so many people fall for it.
1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
just a reminder that terrorism still exsists. you can blame bush and balir all you want, but they are the ones trying to stop these people. there are many islamic terrorists who want to kill as many innocent civillians as possible. the story is on every news site but I posted msnbc so some of you might read it.
LONDON - British authorities are tracking almost 30 terrorist plots involving 1,600 suspects, the head of Britain’s domestic spy agency said, adding that many of those under surveillance are homegrown terrorists plotting suicide attacks and other mass-casualty bombings.
to my friends in britain, stay safe and alert
Thanks for ur concern JLew, i think we were probably more at risk than this when the threat base came from a few miles away on our own doorstep, we just seemed to get on with it then.
while im not completely convinced the world is less safe because of bush. for iraq, well obviously. as someone mentioned the threat from el queda has been there before 9/11 and after. difference now is we are fighting them much more aggressively. el queda has been severely damaged since 9/11. there leaders have been caught or on the run. they have no central base of operations and we and our allies are actively fighting them.
So either :
A- theres a bigger threat now than ever, in which case why is that??
or
B- its exactly the same as it ever was so why bring it up now?
There is a threat and there always will be, from extremists on both sides, urs and theirs JLew.
P.S I do fucking love it when u post, its always like a Ricky Gervais script or something haha.
P.P.S Seriously tho i need to know, your "daddy" is in politics somewhere isnt he??!
just a reminder that terrorism still exsists. you can blame bush and balir all you want, but they are the ones trying to stop these people. there are many islamic terrorists who want to kill as many innocent civillians as possible. the story is on every news site but I posted msnbc so some of you might read it.
LONDON - British authorities are tracking almost 30 terrorist plots involving 1,600 suspects, the head of Britain’s domestic spy agency said, adding that many of those under surveillance are homegrown terrorists plotting suicide attacks and other mass-casualty bombings.
to my friends in britain, stay safe and alert
Do you honestly believe that any actions that we've taken in iraq reduce terrorisim? We create more "terrorists" everday. It's like throwing a stone at a beehive. It's quite simple, anyone who opens their eyes can see it.
Thanks for ur concern JLew, i think we were probably more at risk than this when the threat base came from a few miles away on our own doorstep, we just seemed to get on with it then.
So either :
A- theres a bigger threat now than ever, in which case why is that??
or
B- its exactly the same as it ever was so why bring it up now?
There is a threat and there always will be, from extremists on both sides, urs and theirs JLew.
P.S I do fucking love it when u post, its always like a Ricky Gervais script or something haha.
P.P.S Seriously tho i need to know, your "daddy" is in politics somewhere isnt he??!
my dad died was I was 9. He was hit by a drunk driver while riding his harley. He died 4 days later in the hospital. He was a carpenter. now you know
Do you honestly believe that any actions that we've taken in iraq reduce terrorisim? We create more "terrorists" everday. It's like throwing a stone at a beehive. It's quite simple, anyone who opens their eyes can see it.
I bellieve the actions in afgahistan helped reduce terrorism and damaged the el queda network. In Iraq we may have created more, but they seem to stay and fight in Iraq instead of the streets of new york.
Do you honestly believe that any actions that we've taken in iraq reduce terrorisim? We create more "terrorists" everday. It's like throwing a stone at a beehive. It's quite simple, anyone who opens their eyes can see it.
I am far more scared of the tension that these kind of politics create than the terrorists themselves. Terrorism wants to creat diversion and the only way to stop it is to try to understand eachother. In this sense terrorism is not only being undertaken by muslims!! We have a simple saying in Dutch that says; where two fight, two are to blame...
On that note, what we can do as individuals is try to get to know eachother better and create an atmosphere of understanding and respect without any presumptions. As a teacher I am blessed with meeting a diversity of kids and I always try to get to know them well. I simply ask them what their motives are behind (for example) wearing a headscarf or a tattoo when your 14 years old. I have great discussions with them and learn something new everyday!
OPEN YOUR MIND!
Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
nonsense? so you dont think there is a terrorist threat?
We just don't eat up every bit of fear mongering that they try and throw at us here.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I bellieve the actions in afgahistan helped reduce terrorism and damaged the el queda network. In Iraq we may have created more, but they seem to stay and fight in Iraq instead of the streets of new york.
when were they ever in the streets of new york?
a few were taking flying lessons in florida, but it was hardly an invasion and we were largely ignorant of the threat. that is no more. perhaps we could keep them off the streets of new york even without the war in iraq if we really tried?
just a reminder that terrorism still exsists. you can blame bush and balir all you want, but they are the ones trying to stop these people. there are many islamic terrorists who want to kill as many innocent civillians as possible. the story is on every news site but I posted msnbc so some of you might read it.
LONDON - British authorities are tracking almost 30 terrorist plots involving 1,600 suspects, the head of Britain’s domestic spy agency said, adding that many of those under surveillance are homegrown terrorists plotting suicide attacks and other mass-casualty bombings.
to my friends in britain, stay safe and alert
I don't buy this scare tactic bullshit.
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I bellieve the actions in afgahistan helped reduce terrorism and damaged the el queda network. In Iraq we may have created more, but they seem to stay and fight in Iraq instead of the streets of new york.
i guess the fact the US troops have been walking through arab streets for many years now is irrelevent somehow. when they were in Afghanistan 70's/80's they created the network that's responsible for all of this. teaching radical islam, setting up a network to import foreign fighters, uniting radicals and extremists. It was to fight the russians, but man did that backfire.
you asked. your right, you dont know me, so dont judge me. so you think I was lying? you sir are a class act.
Oh my fucking God, u did not just play the sympathy vote because ur grip on politics in the real world sucks and u have no actual answer for the post!! i've said it before , Jlew ur a LEGEND in ur own time (and head)!!
Thanks for ur concern JLew, i think we were probably more at risk than this when the threat base came from a few miles away on our own doorstep, we just seemed to get on with it then.
So either :
A- theres a bigger threat now than ever, in which case why is that??
or
B- its exactly the same as it ever was so why bring it up now?
There is a threat and there always will be, from extremists on both sides, urs and theirs JLew.
P.S I do fucking love it when u post, its always like a Ricky Gervais script or something haha.
P.P.S Seriously tho i need to know, your "daddy" is in politics somewhere isnt he??!
you want me to respond to this? you have nothing constructive to say. you seem to really enjoy personally attacking me.
i think we were probably more at risk than this when the threat base came from a few miles away on our own doorstep, we just seemed to get on with it then.
A- theres a bigger threat now than ever, in which case why is that??
or
B- its exactly the same as it ever was so why bring it up now?.
A: threat is bigger now because america and its allies are on the offensiive against terrorism. the attacks on 9/11 were unprovoked. we are fighting back. but that falls on deaf ears for you because someone showed you how to use youtube and you found a video claiming that bush and rummy came up with the plan to attack america. and im the one with a fucked up view on politics?
B: bring it up now because several people on here, including you, accuse the american and british government of fear mongering. well according to the definition fear mongering its spreading discreditable, misrepresentative information designed to induce fear and apprehension.
none of the information presented is discreditable or misrepresentative. its very real.
B: bring it up now because several people on here, including you, accuse the american and british government of fear mongering. well according to the definition fear mongering its spreading discreditable, misrepresentative information designed to induce fear and apprehension.
none of the information presented is discreditable or misrepresentative. its very real.
REAL??? Oh, sorry missed the mass destruction weapons that Iraq was hiding...so they found them? Did they finally? Pfff, and I was worried that that whole war was for nothing...oh yeah, except for access to oil...
If your government would have done a better job on 9/11 you wouldnt be shaken in your chair right now.
Well, I am not going to play along and will be skipping happily everywhere I go.
You sir are a class act yourself!
Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
you want me to respond to this? you have nothing constructive to say. you seem to really enjoy personally attacking me.
this make no sense whatsoever.
Awwww cheer up mate, its not that i enjoy personally attacking anyone or i would be constantly sniping at all ur brainwashed, right wing, extremist cronies on here too. Its just that u sir, are the biggest bell-end of the lot, and ur arguments are comical and childish.
Makes no sense? ok u probably never noticed the irish problem we had over here because its not over there. ( JLew-"oh i apologise i didnt realise u were from UK" how many times can 1 man misread wot other people say? plenty it seems)
As for the rest fuck it, im in the british army, i signed up to fight for my country, did you? (please tell me a bullshit story again, ur delta force right?)
Its all bullshit rhetoric JLew and u love it because chances are its never gonna affect you, and u know that, ( but hey ur sort are doing a good job of bringing it to ur own doorstep so carry on man so i can laugh even harder!!)
hey britons! break open the bottles and lets kick back while the country burns. mine will be a millers or fosters hehehehe.
anyone else quite cynical of why the announcment was made? personally i think these guys should just shut up and do the job. why scare everyone even more? we all know there is a problem but really... you are more likely to win the lottery... not the euromillions that shit is clearly fixed!
on the first point of blame bush and blair.... ok i will hahaha. seriously... alot of young muslims who were previously quite moderate are saying becuase of british foriegn policy they feel under attack themselves and so support the more radical views. i guess it is all chicken and egg... was islamic fundermentalism first or was it western/russian economic/military aggression...
something that would help a lot is sort out palastine! how many more people (jewish, muslim and christian) are going to die before everyone gets their heads out of their arses? people keep saying they wont deal with hamas... fucking hell they need to wake up and realise hamas were voted in by the people. if you deal with them you can bring them into moderation, once they are moderated you can leagalize their militias into a credible security force that will not attack israel but will attack criminals/gangs etc in palastine. israel should pull out and a un peace keeping force with the powers of engagement with militias. that way israel can feel safe while the palastinians know they wont get bombed to shit.
REAL??? Oh, sorry missed the mass destruction weapons that Iraq was hiding...so they found them? Did they finally? Pfff, and I was worried that that whole war was for nothing...oh yeah, except for access to oil...
If your government would have done a better job on 9/11 you wouldnt be shaken in your chair right now.
Well, I am not going to play along and will be skipping happily everywhere I go.
You sir are a class act yourself!
who said anything about WMD's?
your right, my government failed on 9/11. nearly 3000 innocent people died. anything else you want to debate?
Awwww cheer up mate, its not that i enjoy personally attacking anyone or i would be constantly sniping at all ur brainwashed, right wing, extremist cronies on here too. Its just that u sir, are the biggest bell-end of the lot, and ur arguments are comical and childish.
Makes no sense? ok u probably never noticed the irish problem we had over here because its not over there. ( JLew-"oh i apologise i didnt realise u were from UK" how many times can 1 man misread wot other people say? plenty it seems)
As for the rest fuck it, im in the british army, i signed up to fight for my country, did you? (please tell me a bullshit story again, ur delta force right?)
Its all bullshit rhetoric JLew and u love it because chances are its never gonna affect you, and u know that, ( but hey ur sort are doing a good job of bringing it to ur own doorstep so carry on man so i can laugh even harder!!)
ps legend
what bullshit storty have I told you so far?
anytime you feel like debating an issue, let me know.
just a reminder that terrorism still exsists. you can blame bush and balir all you want, but they are the ones trying to stop these people. there are many islamic terrorists who want to kill as many innocent civillians as possible. the story is on every news site but I posted msnbc so some of you might read it.
LONDON - British authorities are tracking almost 30 terrorist plots involving 1,600 suspects, the head of Britain’s domestic spy agency said, adding that many of those under surveillance are homegrown terrorists plotting suicide attacks and other mass-casualty bombings.
to my friends in britain, stay safe and alert
the word "suspect" is very used in propaganda. remember the "terrorism" alarm from the UK of last summer (it was around the 10th of August)? How many people have been sentenced as guilty?
B: bring it up now because several people on here, including you, accuse the american and british government of fear mongering. well according to the definition fear mongering its spreading discreditable, misrepresentative information designed to induce fear and apprehension.
none of the information presented is discreditable or misrepresentative. its very real.
I am attacking you because YOU are saying the above..and I feel I am right in accusing the american and british government of fear mongering. How can you say the information is not descritable when they have started a war on the bases of wrong information. Which in my idea was not an accident. I am sorry if I came of to strong but you pushed my buttons with the above remark. This is your idea and I am attacking that idea...not you as a person!
Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
who said anything about WMD's?
your right, my government failed on 9/11. nearly 3000 innocent people died. anything else you want to debate?
And as you want a reasoned debate. I would like to discuss the following in a constructive way:
- I would like to know what arguments you have for truly believing your government about these terrorist attacks? (please include the WMD story in your debate And propaganda mechanisms if you may...)
- I would also like to debate the meaning of terrorism and the definition of terrorists (who are they, what do they look like, and what can be done to stop them)
You first...
Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
And as you want a reasoned debate. I would like to discuss the following in a constructive way:
- I would like to know what arguments you have for truly believing your government about these terrorist attacks? (please include the WMD story in your debate And propaganda mechanisms if you may...)...
so you want to debate whether or not osama bin laden and el queda were behind the attacks? this is a dead end debate. I firmly believe that osama, kalied sheik mohammand and other top people were solely responsible for the attacks. please dont tell me I need to see loose change.
The iraq WMD story has nothing to do with 9/11. bush went to war with false information. he and many other people saw saddam as a threat. hindsight is 20/20. not really sure what you wanted to talk about. in my opinion, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. staying the course in afgahinstan was much more important. that has always been my biggest complaint against bush. we left afgah and pulled out way too many important resources to go to Iraq.
- I would also like to debate the meaning of terrorism and the definition of terrorists (who are they, what do they look like, and what can be done to stop them)
we are talking about islamic terrorism. the hate our support for Israel and feel we have invaded islamic holy lands with bases in saudi arbia. they also feel they are defending Islam. extremists sometimes claim they are defending Islam or that they are acting in retaliation for what they see as aggression against Muslims by Israel and by various western countries such as the United States. They also frequently have a stated goal and expectation that Islam will conquer the world, and establish itself as the one true religion.
actually you havnt tried it. whenever your ready let me know. im eagerly awaiting something intelligent from you.
Its fine, i'll take a back seat and watch u tackle Kushikushun (wot does that mean anyway, im genuinely interested) he seems to have this one covered for now haha, off you go little fella lets hear ya trot out some well worn, halfwit soundbites you've read. AGAIN yawn!
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and in al quaeda's place we have inspired hundreds of imitators and followers. maybe al-q is having a hard time, but there are plenty of people willing to take their place. and there are more post-invasion than there were before.
I think that this sums up the US leadership since 9/12. Its too bad that so many people fall for it.
Thanks for ur concern JLew, i think we were probably more at risk than this when the threat base came from a few miles away on our own doorstep, we just seemed to get on with it then.
So either :
A- theres a bigger threat now than ever, in which case why is that??
or
B- its exactly the same as it ever was so why bring it up now?
There is a threat and there always will be, from extremists on both sides, urs and theirs JLew.
P.S I do fucking love it when u post, its always like a Ricky Gervais script or something haha.
P.P.S Seriously tho i need to know, your "daddy" is in politics somewhere isnt he??!
vision oOnly Greyyy
Do you honestly believe that any actions that we've taken in iraq reduce terrorisim? We create more "terrorists" everday. It's like throwing a stone at a beehive. It's quite simple, anyone who opens their eyes can see it.
my dad died was I was 9. He was hit by a drunk driver while riding his harley. He died 4 days later in the hospital. He was a carpenter. now you know
I bellieve the actions in afgahistan helped reduce terrorism and damaged the el queda network. In Iraq we may have created more, but they seem to stay and fight in Iraq instead of the streets of new york.
I am far more scared of the tension that these kind of politics create than the terrorists themselves. Terrorism wants to creat diversion and the only way to stop it is to try to understand eachother. In this sense terrorism is not only being undertaken by muslims!! We have a simple saying in Dutch that says; where two fight, two are to blame...
On that note, what we can do as individuals is try to get to know eachother better and create an atmosphere of understanding and respect without any presumptions. As a teacher I am blessed with meeting a diversity of kids and I always try to get to know them well. I simply ask them what their motives are behind (for example) wearing a headscarf or a tattoo when your 14 years old. I have great discussions with them and learn something new everyday!
OPEN YOUR MIND!
We just don't eat up every bit of fear mongering that they try and throw at us here.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
when were they ever in the streets of new york?
a few were taking flying lessons in florida, but it was hardly an invasion and we were largely ignorant of the threat. that is no more. perhaps we could keep them off the streets of new york even without the war in iraq if we really tried?
I don't buy this scare tactic bullshit.
PEACE
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Katowice 06/07 London 06/07 Dusseldorf 06/07 Nijgemen 06/07
Y would u feel the need to tell me that??! i dont even know U. No he wasnt in politics would have done, i still wouldnt believe U.
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i guess the fact the US troops have been walking through arab streets for many years now is irrelevent somehow. when they were in Afghanistan 70's/80's they created the network that's responsible for all of this. teaching radical islam, setting up a network to import foreign fighters, uniting radicals and extremists. It was to fight the russians, but man did that backfire.
you asked. your right, you dont know me, so dont judge me. so you think I was lying? you sir are a class act.
Oh my fucking God, u did not just play the sympathy vote because ur grip on politics in the real world sucks and u have no actual answer for the post!! i've said it before , Jlew ur a LEGEND in ur own time (and head)!!
vision oOnly Greyyy
you want me to respond to this? you have nothing constructive to say. you seem to really enjoy personally attacking me.
this make no sense whatsoever.
A: threat is bigger now because america and its allies are on the offensiive against terrorism. the attacks on 9/11 were unprovoked. we are fighting back. but that falls on deaf ears for you because someone showed you how to use youtube and you found a video claiming that bush and rummy came up with the plan to attack america. and im the one with a fucked up view on politics?
B: bring it up now because several people on here, including you, accuse the american and british government of fear mongering. well according to the definition fear mongering its spreading discreditable, misrepresentative information designed to induce fear and apprehension.
none of the information presented is discreditable or misrepresentative. its very real.
REAL??? Oh, sorry missed the mass destruction weapons that Iraq was hiding...so they found them? Did they finally? Pfff, and I was worried that that whole war was for nothing...oh yeah, except for access to oil...
If your government would have done a better job on 9/11 you wouldnt be shaken in your chair right now.
Well, I am not going to play along and will be skipping happily everywhere I go.
You sir are a class act yourself!
Awwww cheer up mate, its not that i enjoy personally attacking anyone or i would be constantly sniping at all ur brainwashed, right wing, extremist cronies on here too. Its just that u sir, are the biggest bell-end of the lot, and ur arguments are comical and childish.
Makes no sense? ok u probably never noticed the irish problem we had over here because its not over there. ( JLew-"oh i apologise i didnt realise u were from UK" how many times can 1 man misread wot other people say? plenty it seems)
As for the rest fuck it, im in the british army, i signed up to fight for my country, did you? (please tell me a bullshit story again, ur delta force right?)
Its all bullshit rhetoric JLew and u love it because chances are its never gonna affect you, and u know that, ( but hey ur sort are doing a good job of bringing it to ur own doorstep so carry on man so i can laugh even harder!!)
ps legend
vision oOnly Greyyy
anyone else quite cynical of why the announcment was made? personally i think these guys should just shut up and do the job. why scare everyone even more? we all know there is a problem but really... you are more likely to win the lottery... not the euromillions that shit is clearly fixed!
on the first point of blame bush and blair.... ok i will hahaha. seriously... alot of young muslims who were previously quite moderate are saying becuase of british foriegn policy they feel under attack themselves and so support the more radical views. i guess it is all chicken and egg... was islamic fundermentalism first or was it western/russian economic/military aggression...
something that would help a lot is sort out palastine! how many more people (jewish, muslim and christian) are going to die before everyone gets their heads out of their arses? people keep saying they wont deal with hamas... fucking hell they need to wake up and realise hamas were voted in by the people. if you deal with them you can bring them into moderation, once they are moderated you can leagalize their militias into a credible security force that will not attack israel but will attack criminals/gangs etc in palastine. israel should pull out and a un peace keeping force with the powers of engagement with militias. that way israel can feel safe while the palastinians know they wont get bombed to shit.
argh... rant over... back to the essay :(
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who said anything about WMD's?
your right, my government failed on 9/11. nearly 3000 innocent people died. anything else you want to debate?
why the personal attack?
what bullshit storty have I told you so far?
anytime you feel like debating an issue, let me know.
www.amnesty.org.uk
I tried that my old china, i soon got fed up of it tho, because you sir,(tissues ready personal attack incoming) are thick as fuck! tata
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I am attacking you because YOU are saying the above..and I feel I am right in accusing the american and british government of fear mongering. How can you say the information is not descritable when they have started a war on the bases of wrong information. Which in my idea was not an accident. I am sorry if I came of to strong but you pushed my buttons with the above remark. This is your idea and I am attacking that idea...not you as a person!
And as you want a reasoned debate. I would like to discuss the following in a constructive way:
- I would like to know what arguments you have for truly believing your government about these terrorist attacks? (please include the WMD story in your debate And propaganda mechanisms if you may...)
- I would also like to debate the meaning of terrorism and the definition of terrorists (who are they, what do they look like, and what can be done to stop them)
You first...
actually you havnt tried it. whenever your ready let me know. im eagerly awaiting something intelligent from you.
so you want to debate whether or not osama bin laden and el queda were behind the attacks? this is a dead end debate. I firmly believe that osama, kalied sheik mohammand and other top people were solely responsible for the attacks. please dont tell me I need to see loose change.
The iraq WMD story has nothing to do with 9/11. bush went to war with false information. he and many other people saw saddam as a threat. hindsight is 20/20. not really sure what you wanted to talk about. in my opinion, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. staying the course in afgahinstan was much more important. that has always been my biggest complaint against bush. we left afgah and pulled out way too many important resources to go to Iraq.
we are talking about islamic terrorism. the hate our support for Israel and feel we have invaded islamic holy lands with bases in saudi arbia. they also feel they are defending Islam. extremists sometimes claim they are defending Islam or that they are acting in retaliation for what they see as aggression against Muslims by Israel and by various western countries such as the United States. They also frequently have a stated goal and expectation that Islam will conquer the world, and establish itself as the one true religion.
Its fine, i'll take a back seat and watch u tackle Kushikushun (wot does that mean anyway, im genuinely interested) he seems to have this one covered for now haha, off you go little fella lets hear ya trot out some well worn, halfwit soundbites you've read. AGAIN yawn!
vision oOnly Greyyy