Obama says "CHANGE" and "YES WE CAN"

acoustic guy

Change what???
Yes we can what??? I have still yet to hear anything solid from this tool.
And at what cost to the American people?
A lot of you are forgetting that all this "change" is going to cost big bucks.
Your Big Bucks.
The question is how much of it, and can we afford it with the way the economy is right now.
Think about this before you stick up for yor precious Obama.

NothingSound

Sadly, someone's got to pay for all the shit GWB wasted our money on.

Tax & spend (Obama) >>>>>>>>> borrow & spend (McCain) >>>>>>>>>>> just spend and cut taxes to your friends (Bush).

farfromglorified

LOL...personally, I would suggest relaxing a bit. No matter what happens in this election, you're going to get your ass taxed off. While I won't be voting for Obama, at least he seems to have some concept of economics.

That said, this "yes we can" mantra is a bit disturbing. I suppose it sprouted from the underdog image his candidacy was built upon. However, it also seems like a frightening response to those who might have certain moral views vis a vis the State. As in, "you can't simply do whatever you want in the name of a vague concept called 'common good' or 'hope'"..."oh, yes we can". I've already seen this silly statement invoked by an Obama supporter demanding that everyone in my town be forced to use solar water heaters.

Strangest Tribe

this argument has grown tired......

don't vote for him


perhaps Change will cost less than what we've done for the last 8 years.

We CAN CHANGE by NOT DOING what we have been doing wrong, why would that cost more money

blackredyellow

Ya know... I hate the criticism of Obama not saying anything solid. The same thing was said about Kerry in '04. Kerry would give speeches all day on a specific issue, and every night, Fox News and the like would rail on him for not talking about the issue that he just spent the day talking about instead of actually doing work and picking apart his plan.

The same thing is going on with Obama... you can read about any issue on his website, and what is said in his stump speeches and debate what he says or whatever, but I guess it's easier to just repeat over and over again that he isn't saying anything.

JOEJOEJOE

acoustic guy wrote:

Change what???
Yes we can what??? I have still yet to hear anything solid from this tool.
And at what cost to the American people?
A lot of you are forgetting that all this "change" is going to cost big bucks.
Your Big Bucks.
The question is how much of it, and can we afford it with the way the economy is right now.
Think about this before you stick up for yor precious Obama.

Its pretty obvious that his words refer to repairing the damage that the current administration has done.

Have you ever seen our country in worse shape?

Strangest Tribe

if you are a crack addict, can you not change?
Wouldn't it cost less? Then maybe you could use that crack money for whores and booze.

But if you are asking for a detailed plan then maybe I just gave it to you.

Strangest Tribe

I heard he's going to change the calendar and scary shit like that... Everybodys birthday will be different.

Also he's going to have a voodoo priestess on his cabinet, and we'll all have to stand facing the west in the morning


Boogie Boogie

deadnothingbetter

acoustic guy wrote:

Change what???
Yes we can what??? I have still yet to hear anything solid from this tool.
And at what cost to the American people?
A lot of you are forgetting that all this "change" is going to cost big bucks.
Your Big Bucks.
The question is how much of it, and can we afford it with the way the economy is right now.
Think about this before you stick up for yor precious Obama.

i think he got the "yes we can" motto from mexicans. when the mexican soccer team went up against the usa team in the fiba soccer tournament they would chant "si se puede".... as it turned out... "no se pudo".

so obama, being the first black american to run for presidency, has taken this motto to gain the hearts of hispanics/mexican americans and also prove that yes it is possible for a black man to be the president of the us of a.

anotherclone

Strangest Tribe wrote:

I heard he's going to change the calendar and scary shit like that... Everybodys birthday will be different.

Also he's going to have a voodoo priestess on his cabinet, and we'll all have to stand facing the west in the morning


Boogie Boogie

seriously? I heard he kicks puppies. so sad.

spyguy

NothingSound wrote:

Tax & spend (Obama) >>>>>>>>> borrow & spend (McCain) >>>>>>>>>>> just spend and cut taxes to your friends (Bush).

wow that is very dead on. nice post.

88keys

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Have you ever seen our country in worse shape?

The country was in far worse shape from about 1975-1981. There was a huge recession and not only was oil expensive there was a shortage. Anyone old enough can surely remember waiting in huge lines for limited amounts of gas. The country was also still reeling from it's defeat in Vietnam and the hostage crisis in Iran was causing extremely low morale. And although I wasn't around for it, I'm sure that from 1929-1939 (Great Depression) were far worse conditions than we'll ever know.

fuck

88keys wrote:

The country was in far worse shape from about 1975-1981. There was a huge recession and not only was oil expensive there was a shortage. Anyone old enough can surely remember waiting in huge lines for limited amounts of gas. The country was also still reeling from it's defeat in Vietnam and the hostage crisis in Iran was causing extremely low morale. And although I wasn't around for it, I'm sure that from 1929-1939 (Great Depression) were far worse conditions than we'll ever know.

as Bush (and maybe McCain) further digs our hole, we can always say "atleast it's not 1975".

MattyJoe

You people don't know anything, really. I really don't see the horrible state of affairs which you all are referring to in this country. You know what? We're WINNING right now in Iraq. Maybe it all got off to a rough start and sure it was a mistake, but I really fail to see how Bush has totally ruined the country like you all claim.

I also like how you claim that Obama knows about economics. That's funny. I guess one of the examples of his expertise in economics is the windfall profits tax on oil companies, something which is apparently supposed to make the price of gas go down?? Increasing the expenses of an industry is gonna make them lower their prices?? [sarcasm]Of course, that makes total sense! Even though their profit margin is lower than Google's or Microsoft's, they're perpetrating a horrible scam on the American people! It doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that a new refinery hasn't been built in 20 years because of all the regulations we continue to impose on them, and that, additionally, the refineries that do exist are extremely inefficient and out-of-date, also as a result of our regulations. Oh, by the way, did I mention we need more regulations?[/sarcasm].

You people are sheep X 1,000. Baaaaah.

Obama has served only 1 term in the US Senate, and 1 term in State Senate. In years past, a candidate this inexperienced would've been the first one out of the primaries. It's not his place to even think about running for President.

Maybe he'll get a nobel prize, too, for being such a great father and loving husband.

fuck

MattyJoe wrote:

You people don't know anything, really. I really don't see the horrible state of affairs which you all are referring to in this country. You know what? We're WINNING right now in Iraq. Maybe it all got off to a rough start and sure it was a mistake, but I really fail to see how Bush has totally ruined the country like you all claim.

how does one 'win' an occupation?

And I doubt you know exactly how Bush has 'totally ruined the country like [we] claim'... but maybe you can get that shovel in your shed and go dig up the 1,200,000 dead Iraqis and ask them? maybe you can talk to the doctors who deal with all the injured Iraqis? maybe you can talk to all the different governments of Syria, Sweden, and many other countries who have had to deal with the 3,000,000 Iraqi refugees?

You people are sheep X 1,000. Baaaaah.

this is a strong argument.

MattyJoe

_outlaw wrote:

And I doubt you know exactly how Bush has 'totally ruined the country like [we] claim'... but maybe you can get that shovel in your shed and go dig up the 1,200,000 dead Iraqis and ask them? maybe you can talk to the doctors who deal with all the injured Iraqis? maybe you can talk to all the different governments of Syria, Sweden, and many other countries who have had to deal with the 3,000,000 Iraqi refugees?

Now suddenly we care about the Iraqis? You guys are the ones who want to just leave Iraq and abandon them, not me. Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein have killed WAY more Iraqis than we have. And, yes, in war there is always collateral damage, and it's very horrible and very sad. But we're there, and leaving will only cause more chaos. We;re the only thing keeping the country relatively stable right now. It was a mistake to go in, but it would be a much BIGGER mistake to leave.

MattyJoe

_outlaw wrote:

this is a strong argument.

Apparently it's good enough for Eddie.

fuck

MattyJoe wrote:

Now suddenly we care about the Iraqis?

wow.

how do I even respond to that?

You guys are the ones who want to just leave Iraq and abandon them

oh really? where did I say that? and, tell me, who is 'you guys'?

Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein have killed WAY more Iraqis than we have.

proof? more than 1.2 million people? doubt it.

And, yes, in war there is always collateral damage, and it's very horrible and very sad.

"collateral damage"? fuck that, these civilians were killed deliberately. don't downplay the deaths of 1.2 million people by saying 'there is always collateral damage'.

But we're there, and leaving will only cause more chaos. We;re the only thing keeping the country relatively stable right now. It was a mistake to go in, but it would be a much BIGGER mistake to leave.

pathetic argument with no backup to prove it. you think taking a military presence out would cause less stability?

MattyJoe

_outlaw wrote:

"collateral damage"? fuck that, these civilians were killed deliberately. don't downplay the deaths of 1.2 million people by saying 'there is always collateral damage'.

Where's your proof hotshot?

If you view it as downplaying that's all you. It's the truth, there is always collateral damage in every conflict.

Strangest Tribe

MattyJoe wrote:

Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein have killed WAY more Iraqis than we have.

proof please

because I believe you are wrong

fuck

MattyJoe wrote:

Where's your proof hotshot?

the killings of Nissor Square, Haditha, and many, many more... many of these are reported by U.S. servicemen themselves.

If you view it as downplaying that's all you. It's the truth, there is always collateral damage in every conflict.

1.2 million people isn't collateral damage. you need to do some research before coming here spouting off lies and misguided nonsense, though I doubt you'll do any seeing as how you ignored my asking you for proof of your previous allegations.