Imagine

anarchist_grunger

binauralsounds wrote:

take out a few lyrics and it sounds like a speech from Stalin....

are you a little confused buddy?

Collin

cornnifer wrote:

Open minded?
"just think, if there was no religion, no faith, the world would be safe and peaceful. It would be such a better world without all those idiots that believe in God".

Hardly open minded or idealistic in my oppinion. In fact, very close minded and prejudiced. Not to mention bullshit.

Here's something to think about

the lyrics are;

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too


and here's something you said:

Christianity, in and of itself, is not even a religion. ALL it requires is faith. No one is BORN a Christian... What makes a Christian a Christian is what they believe. Period. I am a Christian.

Where do you see John attacking faith?

cornnifer

Collin wrote:

Here's something to think about

the lyrics are;

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too


and here's something you said:



Where do you see John attacking faith?

First of all, you left out many of the lyrics here. Secondly, i DID say that Christianity is not a religion, and, you see the heat i took for it. Others, although they should, cannot seem to make the distinction. Not people on this board, and certainly not John fucking Lennon. Nice try. Look, i don't care if you or anyone else loves this song. As a matter of fact, its no surprise. i stated earlier, based on some elements of the song, i can appreciate it as well. i am entitled to point out that it is prejudicial, close minded bull shit however, and i don't understand how it could be the fucking theme song for hippies worlwide who claim to be so "open minded".

Collin

cornnifer wrote:

First of all, you left out many of the lyrics here. Secondly, i DID say that Christianity is not a religion, and, you see the heat i took for it. Others, although they should, cannot seem to make the distinction. Not people on this board, and certainly not John fucking Lennon. Nice try. Look, i don't care if you or anyone else loves this song. As a matter of fact, its no surprise. i stated earlier, based on some elements of the song, i can appreciate it as well. i am entitled to point out that it is prejudicial, close minded bull shit however, and i don't understand how it could be the fucking theme song for hippies worlwide who claim to be so "open minded".

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say I'm
a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

I only references I see to religion are the words "religion", obviously, and "Heaven" and "Hell". Your interpretation is that John fucking Lennon was this close minded person that believed religion was the root of all evil and not just religion, personal faith too. But maybe he wasn't this evil person you make him out to be, maybe his song was against the people who turned your religion or faith into something it's not, who made it fit their agenda's, who used religion as a tool... the people who a true Christian wouldn't call Christians...

How do you know that John "fucking" Lennon could not make a distinction between faith and religion?


And of course you are entitled to your opinion, that this song is prejudicial close minded bull shit, but that's just your interpretation of the song. Try to look at it from another perspective, not from the "everyone is against god" perspective...

Here's another quote:

I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It's just that the translations have gone wrong.

humanlight

binauralsounds wrote:

take out a few lyrics and it sounds like a speech from Stalin....

It is very strange how easily good and evil can be interchanged. Most "evil" ideas were very good natured. God forgive me, and please do not hurt me to badly. It even seems that communism was a fantastic idea where everyone would have the same amount and be taken care of (we know it does not work) but the idea is great. Hitler ran with a good idea, but we all know whre it ended. We don't always know what the new inventions and ideas can lead to.

given to grunge

humanlight wrote:

It even seems that communism was a fantastic idea where everyone would have the same amount and be taken care of (we know it does not work) but the idea is great.

I know it pretty good (that idea of communism - socialism) where everyone should be equal, everyone should be given the same chance and conditions/terms to live, and to live nice life with all the things neccessary to live that kind of life.
My country was a member of a former Yugoslavija, communism system was on, and everyone had a job then. The thing was that nobody had to worry about the job - they had it guaranteed by the "government".
All the people were happy even though they haven't had big money and big salaries, but it was nice.
And then the capitalism came and now we, the people, have to worry day by day, how to feed our children, how to pay for their education, how to fuel a car (I know that's all luxurious but....you can't live without these things now).
All in all it was a peaceful and nice kind of life, NOW it's life filled with worries! (war, job - money, security...etc.)

Heineken Helen

Am I the only person who can't stand that fucking song???

There... I said it :mad:

It's crap, crap, crap, crap, and it's not even my idea of paradise... the world is made up of opposites, and it's those opposites that make us appreciate what we have and what we don't have. If we all lived in this supposedly perfect world of Lennons we'd be bored shitless.

And the melody isn't even nice :mad:

Collin

Heineken Helen wrote:

Am I the only person who can't stand that fucking song???

There... I said it :mad:

It's crap, crap, crap, crap, and it's not even my idea of paradise... the world is made up of opposites, and it's those opposites that make us appreciate what we have and what we don't have. If we all lived in this supposedly perfect world of Lennons we'd be bored shitless.

And the melody isn't even nice :mad:

I can stand it, but it's definitely not one of my favourites. I prefer Instant Karma.

given to grunge

Heineken Helen wrote:

And the melody isn't even nice :mad:

Do you have a sense for a good melodies?! without any offence
U can't say the melody isn't nice, cus it is. (I think it is nice to majority of others)

Collin

given to grunge wrote:

Do you have a sense for a good melodies?! without any offence
U can't say the melody isn't nice, cus it is. (I think it is nice to majority of others)

Actually, it's the melody which kind of makes it a little less appealing to me. It sort of has a personal, emotion meaning to me though... nostalgia...

cornnifer

Collin wrote:

I only references I see to religion are the words "religion", obviously, and "Heaven" and "Hell". Your interpretation is that John fucking Lennon was this close minded person that believed religion was the root of all evil and not just religion, personal faith too. But maybe he wasn't this evil person you make him out to be, maybe his song was against the people who turned your religion or faith into something it's not, who made it fit their agenda's, who used religion as a tool... the people who a true Christian wouldn't call Christians...

How do you know that John "fucking" Lennon could not make a distinction between faith and religion?


And of course you are entitled to your opinion, that this song is prejudicial close minded bull shit, but that's just your interpretation of the song. Try to look at it from another perspective, not from the "everyone is against god" perspective...

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No need to get bent out of shape here. I'm not trying to slander one of your heroes or anything. There are bits in there, about possessions and greed that i honestly agree with. Its very clear to anyone who objectively listens to the lyrics (everyone here knows them, they need not be posted 75 times) of the song, that what he really says, in literal terms, is "think and believe exactly like i do, and the whole world will live in peace, the whole world will live as one... just like me". Its very clear. i was simply weighing in on a discussion someone else started. i apparently have touched a nerve, and for that, i appologize. i'll respectfully back out of this one.

Collin

cornnifer wrote:

No need to get bent out of shape here. I'm not trying to slander one of your heroes or anything. There are bits in there, about possessions and greed that i honestly agree with. Its very clear to anyone who objectively listens to the lyrics (everyone here knows them, they need not be posted 75 times) of the song, that what he really says, in literal terms, is "think and believe exactly like i do, and the whole world will live in peace, the whole world will live as one... just like me". Its very clear. i was simply weighing in on a discussion someone else started. i apparently have touched a nerve, and for that, i appologize. i'll respectfully back out of this one.

John Lennon is not one of my heroes and you have not touched a nerve, but thanks for apologizing anyway.
You said:

Open minded?
"just think, if there was no religion, no faith, the world would be safe and peaceful. It would be such a better world without all those idiots that believe in God".

Hardly open minded or idealistic in my oppinion. In fact, very close minded and prejudiced. Not to mention bullshit.

I'm just saying I don't see that in that song. I don't see where he says anything about Faith or about "idiots that believe in God."

Heineken Helen

given to grunge wrote:

Do you have a sense for a good melodies?! without any offence
U can't say the melody isn't nice, cus it is. (I think it is nice to majority of others)

Sorry, I should have put 'in my opinion'. So 'in my opinion', I think the melody is crap, really horrible. The only time it sounds even a little bit nice is when Eva Cassidy sings it. And that VIDEO??? Eurgh!!!!!!!! Yoko certainly has no part in MY imaginary perfect world :eek:

Heineken Helen

Besides, 'let it be' is a much more euphoric song:

'and when the night is cloudy, there is still a light that shines on me. Shine until tomorrow, let it be!'

Now THAT I can imagine