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SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,821
edited April 2008 in A Moving Train
Forgive or kill?
I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
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  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    Try to understand? Or should we judge everything in life as black or white?
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    I can see this thread joining some others from tonight in thread heaven. Not that there is anything wrong with the topic, it'll just get heated.


    anyway, anyone who says kill, just fuck off now. No one needs that right-wing, vigilante "I am so perfect because god made me that way, kill everyone with a mental problem" mentality.

    We need to understand paedophiles better, remove them as a threat to society by imprisonment if they actively commit crimes, attempt to rehabilitate them and not demonise them. 9/10 of paedophiles were abused as a child.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Bad wording.

    No killing though.
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    I can see this thread joining some others from tonight in thread heaven. Not that there is anything wrong with the topic, it'll just get heated.


    anyway, anyone who says kill, just fuck off now. No one needs that right-wing, vigilante "I am so perfect because god made me that way, kill everyone with a mental problem" mentality.

    We need to understand paedophiles better, remove them as a threat to society by imprisonment if they actively commit crimes, attempt to rehabilitate them and not demonise them. 9/10 of paedophiles were abused as a child.

    Amen.
  • drtyfrnk29drtyfrnk29 Posts: 846
    It's hard to forgive a person that preys on helpless victims. It may be relatively close minded of me but I don't believe that kind of behavior pattern can be rehabilitated. But I don't see killing pedophiles as a perfect scenario.
    I'm so dangerous I smoke dynamite.

  • AmentsChickAmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    Chemical castration.
    This is the greatest band in the world -- Ben Harper

  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    drtyfrnk29 wrote:
    It's hard to forgive a person that preys on helpless victims. It may be relatively close minded of me but I don't believe that kind of behavior pattern can be rehabilitated. But I don't see killing pedophiles as a perfect scenario.
    I don't think you could flick a switch in a paedophiles head and stop them having urges. I think you could stop them from acting on them though.

    Without going into too much detail because it's nobody here's business, my parents became foster carers briefly a few years ago and we had two kids living with us for a few months. Eventually we had to have them removed because, even though my mother is a social worker, none of us were prepared for just how screwed up these kids were. It REALLY opened my eyes to the cycle of child abuse and the effect that it has on people. Let's just say that one of these kids, if he hasn't already (we haven't heard word for 3 years and have moved a couple of hundred miles away since), he will seriously hurt someone one day. I found him very, very disturbing but when you live with someone like that, you realise they are human. VERY human. As much as he made life living with him extremely difficult, the idea of killing people like that is just insane to me. Wouldn't help anyone.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • drtyfrnk29drtyfrnk29 Posts: 846
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    I don't think you could flick a switch in a paedophiles head and stop them having urges. I think you could stop them from acting on them though.
    I agree. Not that I would compare the two, but, when an alcoholic stops drinking they call them a recovering alcoholic, not a former. This could be applied to pedophiles. Alcoholics dont go into bars. Society does their best to keep pedophiles away from children. It's all about opportunity
    I'm so dangerous I smoke dynamite.

  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,821
    *We can go into bars if we are spiritually fit.*
    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • drivingrldrivingrl Posts: 1,448
    AmentsChick wrote:
    Chemical castration.

    Seconded.
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    kevinbeetle: "Yes. When her career washes up and her and Gavin move to Galveston, you will meet her at Hot Topic shopping for a Japanese cheerleader outfit.

    Next!"
  • markymark550markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,179
    AmentsChick wrote:
    Chemical castration.
    that's been my solution for years after I saw a 20/20 show about it

    however, what to do for punishment to the women pedophiles?
  • AmentsChickAmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    markymark550 wrote:
    that's been my solution for years after I saw a 20/20 show about it

    however, what to do for punishment to the women pedophiles?

    Hmm..maybe I need to see that 20/20 show. And, the women? Umm...sew up their hoo-haws, I guess? :confused:
    This is the greatest band in the world -- Ben Harper

  • drtyfrnk29drtyfrnk29 Posts: 846
    AmentsChick wrote:
    Hmm..maybe I need to see that 20/20 show. And, the women? Umm...sew up their hoo-haws, I guess? :confused:
    :D hoo-haws :D

    I love it!!
    I'm so dangerous I smoke dynamite.

  • prljmngrlprljmngrl Posts: 320
    facepollution wrote:
    Try to understand? Or should we judge everything in life as black or white?
    you have GOT to be kidding with this comment
  • prljmngrlprljmngrl Posts: 320
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    I can see this thread joining some others from tonight in thread heaven. Not that there is anything wrong with the topic, it'll just get heated.


    anyway, anyone who says kill, just fuck off now. No one needs that right-wing, vigilante "I am so perfect because god made me that way, kill everyone with a mental problem" mentality.

    We need to understand paedophiles better, remove them as a threat to society by imprisonment if they actively commit crimes, attempt to rehabilitate them and not demonise them. 9/10 of paedophiles were abused as a child.
    and that makes it ok right??!! This comment is just moronic.
  • markymark550markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,179
    AmentsChick wrote:
    Hmm..maybe I need to see that 20/20 show. And, the women? Umm...sew up their hoo-haws, I guess? :confused:
    I think it was 20/20, but not 100% sure on that. The case studies they had were all males, as would be expected since more child molestors are males. The ones that underwent chemical castration basically lost all urges to commit violent and/or lewd acts at all, not just to children. I suppose it's a bit harsh to suppress a person's ability to have sex in a consensual manner, but when you've preyed on children like that I don't have much of a problem with it. The show then went on about the chemical reasons for the decline of violent behavior, which was basically because chemical castration is the suppression of testosterone.

    For women, it's a bit more complicated than that. Just sewing up their 'hoo-haws' wouldn't suppress the urge to take advantage of children though? I don't know enough about the woman's body to answer this, but is there a chemical or drug that does suppress sexual urges in women? If so, that could be a possible punishment.
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    prljmngrl wrote:
    and that makes it ok right??!! This comment is just moronic.


    And what would you suggest?
  • prljmngrlprljmngrl Posts: 320
    I just read this in the news recently too. Even if the crime was commited by someone with legitimate "mental illness", there is a fine line between personality and disease.

    Castration is a good idea but it doesn't work well with women. High doses of sedatives could work but then who is going to make them take the meds? Also, then they become a huge burden on society as they wont be able to hold a job. Unless they are put into some sort of labor camp.
  • AmentsChickAmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    markymark550 wrote:
    I think it was 20/20, but not 100% sure on that. The case studies they had were all males, as would be expected since more child molestors are males. The ones that underwent chemical castration basically lost all urges to commit violent and/or lewd acts at all, not just to children. I suppose it's a bit harsh to suppress a person's ability to have sex in a consensual manner, but when you've preyed on children like that I don't have much of a problem with it. The show then went on about the chemical reasons for the decline of violent behavior, which was basically because chemical castration is the suppression of testosterone.

    For women, it's a bit more complicated than that. Just sewing up their 'hoo-haws' wouldn't suppress the urge to take advantage of children though? I don't know enough about the woman's body to answer this, but is there a chemical or drug that does suppress sexual urges in women? If so, that could be a possible punishment.

    I was kidding. :o
    This is the greatest band in the world -- Ben Harper

  • prljmngrlprljmngrl Posts: 320
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    And what would you suggest?
    I would like to see them all let loose on a deserted island with no provisions. Let them molest each other until they die of starvation.
  • markymark550markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,179
    AmentsChick wrote:
    I was kidding. :o
    well, ok, but still it's a serious question that doesn't really have a good answer other than throw the woman in jail for a few years
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    prljmngrl wrote:
    I would like to see them all let loose on a deserted island with no provisions. Let them molest each other until they die of starvation.


    Welp, we can't do that. Not to mention that they wouldn't molest each other.
  • markymark550markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,179
    prljmngrl wrote:
    I would like to see them all let loose on a deserted island with no provisions. Let them molest each other until they die of starvation.
    and that other comment by Jeremy1012 was moronic?

    pot meet kettle...
  • AmentsChickAmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    markymark550 wrote:
    well, ok, but still it's a serious question that doesn't really have a good answer other than throw the woman in jail for a few years

    People that commit those acts generally have a really high chance of committing again. I don't think jail is the answer....because once they get out the urge is still there.

    I think Megans Law is a start...but more needs to be done. There is a talk radio dj here who reads off a list of molestors every Friday.
    This is the greatest band in the world -- Ben Harper

  • yellowled24yellowled24 Posts: 3,118
    this subject hits close to home with me, for reasons you may be able to guess...
    my opinion...like alot of you are in agreeance, chemical castration. Although in some respects its hard not to say capital punishment.
    Women who commit assults? :confused: that is a tough one
    "....and was very surprised to see that he didnt actually have a recipe for anus-ankle soup." - Big Ed
  • prljmngrlprljmngrl Posts: 320
    markymark550 wrote:
    and that other comment by Jeremy1012 was moronic?

    pot meet kettle...
    nothing moronic about it. These people are the dregs of society. They deserve nothing.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Case by case...
    ...
    The 19 year old immature male with his 16 year old girlfriend... or 15 year old girlfriend... can be classified with the 42 year old man who rapes a 6 year old child. They do not equate. Both should be looked at... seperately... and not painted with a broad stroke.
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  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Cosmo wrote:
    Case by case...
    ...
    The 19 year old immature male with his 16 year old girlfriend... or 15 year old girlfriend... can be classified with the 42 year old man who rapes a 6 year old child. They do not equate. Both should be looked at... seperately... and not painted with a broad stroke.


    I once read a story about a guy that was harassed every day because he was listed as a sexual offender and someone in his neighborhood found out. His crime? He took a piss in public. Cop arrested him for indecent exposure.
  • prljmngrlprljmngrl Posts: 320
    Cosmo wrote:
    Case by case...
    ...
    The 19 year old immature male with his 16 year old girlfriend... or 15 year old girlfriend... can be classified with the 42 year old man who rapes a 6 year old child. They do not equate. Both should be looked at... seperately... and not painted with a broad stroke.
    This is true. But where do you draw the line? What about the 23 year old who has a 16 year old girlfriend?
  • prljmngrlprljmngrl Posts: 320
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I once read a story about a guy that was harassed every day because he was listed as a sexual offender and someone in his neighborhood found out. His crime? He took a piss in public. Cop arrested him for indecent exposure.
    That seems extreme. Are you sure there wasn't more to this story? I mean if the guy was wizzing on a school playground then ya he is a freak.
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